US Federal Government Shutdown

[Kiri]

Who's fault is that? Blame the shithead parents for getting them into this mess. We have systems in place and just because someone was brought here when they were children doesn't just give them a free pass.

Blaming the shithead parents does not save the Dreamers from having to take the punishment, then. Something certainly needs to be done, that is without question. Something should have been done years ago.If those kids - and their parents - had been sent back again right after, that would have been proper. It is just enforcing the rules.
But by having allowed them to stay for years on end, the US has taken upon itself a certain responsibility to take care of the issue properly. Remember that word? Not just under Trump, even under his predecessors, the US has not really lived up to the responsibilities it has taken on. Kicking them out now would once again be shirking that responsibility. You want no shortcuts? Fine. Then let them apply properly, just like every other prospective immigrant would. No preferential treatment in selection, let them take all the tests etc like everyone else. If they don't make the cut, then you can deport them. But destroying their whole livelihood first, then letting them apply is not what the US stands for. Have them stay until their application is settled. Let them work, let them pay taxes. They don't qualify for most welfare programs anyway, so there is zero harm.

A free pass is not necessary. Just not kicking them in the balls is enough.

[Varitok]

No one has the right to do drugs, drive over the speed limit, or download music from the internet either, but people will do it anyway so you need a practical policy to deal with that. DACA was just supposed to be a stopgap measure while Congress worked out the details for immigration reform, but the Republicans refused to allow a vote on that bill throughout Obama's term despite bipartisan support.

Those kids knew what they were doing! /s. You can't tell a person to go back to a country they don't even know or remember. It's like sending American's back to Europe.

[Tiwack]

The Dems wouldn't vote to keep the Government from shutting down all because they wanted DACA. They think protecting a bunch of trespassers is more important than keeping the government running.

Is protecting people not more important than keeping a government running? How about your rights or constitution? Which values is it okay to obstruct government for? Nationalism or Liberty? They might be trespassers to you but they're still people and with DACA recipients many have little to no relation with their country of origin. They consider themselves American so why don't you? Can't see the person through your brainwashing? What's a true American? These people check all the boxes imo.

[Macaquerie]

Those kids knew what they were doing! /s. You can't tell a person to go back to a country they don't even know or remember. It's like sending American's back to Europe.

I actually would be in favor of that, would give us a chance to rid ourselves of plenty of shitheads, and hey all those white nationalists in Europe would get some more bodies so they don't have to worry about demographic takeover anymore...

[Varitok]

The Dems wouldn't vote to keep the Government from shutting down all because they wanted DACA. They think protecting a bunch of trespassers is more important than keeping the government running.

There was a deal on the table. Trump denied it and Dems got fed up. No point on hammering out deals if they are rejected after being preliminarily rejected. So called "deal maker" at work people. He's so good at it, look at all the deals he's made while on his 100th day at his golf course last year.

[Ghostpanther]

How the fuck does saying he should listen to the majority of people now that he's elected imply he was elected by a majority? That's absolute horseshit, especially coming form someone who has chastised people for not having a serious discussion.

Calm down. I never said he should not listen to them. But if he does not keep a campaign promise and his supporters precieve it is because of him caving in, his chances of getting reelected become even slimmer than it is now. Notice I did say he is not taking steps with the states he lost to help unite the country. That is his fault. I think he should.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Is protecting people not more important than keeping a government running? How about your rights or constitution? Which values is it okay to obstruct government for? Nationalism or Liberty? They might be trespassers to you but they're still people and with DACA recipients many have little to no relation with their country of origin. They consider themselves American so why don't you? Can't see the person through your brainwashing?

You're appealing to empathy many don't have. I happen to agree with you, but it won't work on that quality of people.

The simple fact is that Obama let the Republicans take hostages for way too long, and stopping this repeated bullshit by the Republicans should be a priority.

[psiko74]

Is protecting people not more important than keeping a government running? How about your rights or constitution? Which values is it okay to obstruct government for? Nationalism or Liberty? They might be trespassers to you but they're still people and with DACA recipients many have little to no relation with their country of origin. They consider themselves American so why don't you? Can't see the person through your brainwashing?

Protecting actual Americans is more important. Until every American has their needs taken care of, i really dont care what happens to non-Americans.

[Tiwack]

Democrats literally want uncontrolled illegal immigration because it gives them votes. This is on them. They will never agree to anything that legitimately strengthens the border. The Democrats are now a party that represents black and Hispanic ethnic strife and not the rest of America. Trump has brilliantly backed them into a corner. I feel bad for any liberals who can't see how bad Trump is destroying them. He's way smarter than they are. Way, way smarter.

You'd be wise to drop the identity politics. This hurts to read omfg. Way to divide a nation along arbitrary nonsense. Qui bono?

[Machismo]

Protecting actual Americans is more important. Until every Americanhas their needs taken care of, i really dont care what happens to non-Americans.

These people were brought to The United States as children, they are "real Americans."

[Hammerfest]

military gets paid on feb 1st. And then its over until after the shutdown.

also https://twitter.com/mattwhouse/statu...99584063508486

They'll get paid. They always get paid. I was paid while serving in the Navy during the Clinton shutdown. My brother was paid during the last one while he was in the Marine Corps. The military gets paid.

[Shadee]

Can we cut them off anyways?

Welfare should be the first thing shut off.

[Tiwack]

Protecting actual Americans is more important. Until every Americanhas their needs taken care of, i really dont care what happens to non-Americans.

This is the attitude that gets Americans killed fyi. How2create a terrorist.
Just because you don't care about the rest of the world doesn't mean there's no Americans who won't take it a step further by ignoring the issue of blowing up foreigners all together for their own benefit. Your apathy breeds animosity.

[psiko74]

These people were brought to The United States as children, they are "real Americans."

No they are not, they are just as illegal has the people that brought them here.

[Macaquerie]

Protecting actual Americans is more important. Until every Americanhas their needs taken care of, i really dont care what happens to non-Americans.

And the true illegal alien scum reveals himself, time to call in ICE the bounty hunter...

[HavokHeart]

Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved by the top. Trump is the leader - he needs to get everyone in a room and lead.

In 25 years from now, when people talk about this shutdown, they're going to be talking about the President of the United States.

Remember when Obama let the government shut down is 13'? What a failed leader.

The shutdown Clinton allowed in 95-96 lasted considerably longer than others. He must have been especially incapable of leading (with the exception of interns).

[psiko74]

This is the attitude that gets Americans killed fyi. How2create a terrorist. Just because you don't care about the rest of the world doesn't mean there's Americans who don't take it one step further by ignoring the issue of blowing up foreigners.

what do you mean?

[jellmoo]

Literally everyone is at fault here. The fact that it's gotten to this point is beyond ridiculous. Democrats and Republicans need to figure out a way to work together and keep their country moving. There is no excuse for this.

That being said, the lion's share of this falls squarely on Trump. For somebody that calls himself a master deal maker, he's proven so incredibly inept at making any sort of deal, you'd think that he's actively trying to foil them. From outright rejecting a solid compromise deal, to offering no viable alternatives, to resorting to name calling immediately. When your party controls both Houses and the Presidency and you can't even keep the country afloat (much less move your agenda forward), it's a sign of utterly inept and ineffective leadership.

[Machismo]

No they are not, they are just as illegal has the people that brought them here.

They live here, work here, and pay taxes here. Why are you so intent on taking away someone else's freedom?

[Ghostpanther]

Remember when Obama let the government shut down is 13'? What a failed leader.

The shutdown Clinton allowed in 95-96 lasted considerably longer than others. He must have been especially incapable of leading (with the exception of interns).

Lol! Following the logic of Schumer, this would be true. Wonder why he had a different tone in 2013? :P