US Federal Government Shutdown

[Bullettime]

If that is true. They should have passed it anyway and let him veto. I think he would have signed it however. He did make a statement he would sign any temporary spending bill put on his desk.

He rejected it when it was brought to him to sign it, claiming no wall no signature. Then he made the shithole countries comment there, tweeting about CHIP, etc and it completely blew up negotiations.

[Mafic]

The problem is that the illegal immigrants you're talking about aren't just the border hoppers. They're DREAMERS, and thus a bracket of immigrants that have bipartisan support in our government. They're basically Americans and deporting them is a literal sins of the father punishment.

Trump and the GOP are taking the backlash, not Dems, because of how transparent the situation is if you're not a Fox neanderthal because the GOP have the raw numbers to ram through anything they want without any Dem votes. But even their own party isn't on board with Trump's plan and have voted against it because it's political suicide in many of their districts or states.

The political sands have shifted. Support for Dreamers is simply not there anymore.

Even during Reagan's time he realized the American people were still supportive of even illegal aliens. But that was a long time ago and the US has shifted to the point that people are no longer supporting Dreamers.

Democrats choosing to fight for Dreamers but not tax policy is simply bad optics.

[WillBowman]

The political sands have shifted. Support for Dreamers is simply not there anymore.

Even during Reagan's time he realized the American people were still supportive of even illegal aliens. But that was a long time ago and the US has shifted to the point that people are no longer supporting Dreamers.

Democrats choosing to fight for Dreamers but not tax policy is simply bad optics.

It's about the Wall, not dreamers.

[Ghostpanther]

He rejected it when it was brought to him to sign it, claiming no wall no signature. Then he made the shithole countries comment there, tweeting about CHIP, etc and it completely blew up negotiations.

Link please. There was no official bill passed that I am aware of by Congress.

[Gorsameth]

If that is true. They should have passed it anyway and let him veto. I think he would have signed it however. He did make a statement he would sign any temporary spending bill put on his desk.

I think he would have signed it aswell, since he likes 'winning'.

But go ask McConnell & Ryan why they don't. Because the Democrats cannot bring bills to vote.

[therayeffect]

It won't for Trump that's for sure.

Historically it changes to a different party for the first midterm-election after a President is elected. Democrats /should/ win a fair few seats. They have a ton of ground to make up though because Dems lost 900 seats under Obama. Hopefully Democrats get away from identity politics and work towards being understanding of general Conservative ideas and values so they can speak to the average American better.

There was a bi-partisan deal. It had enough support in both House and Senate.
Trump blew it up and said he wouldn't sign it if they voted on it.

McConnell then tried to use CHIP, a popular program that everyone wants but Republicans failed to fund 4 months ago as a carrot to get Democrats to give up on DACA, to get a bill past Trump.

Where's your source on this? And did the bill include border security or no?

[Tiwack]

Depends on what the third party represents. If you are referring to a Socialist party, to hell with that shit. However, the Democrats are beginning to shift toward a socialist stance as a Party. So maybe a Libertarian Party ?

You don't have to like it. They just need to be there to help keep the government cooperating and functioning ideally constructively for everyone's future benefit. To help put things back on track immediately instead of 2 weeks deadlock in cases like this or however long it'll be

[Bullettime]

It's about the Wall, not dreamers.

Ding ding ding.

Trump blew up their deal when the GOP were previously leveraging the DACA to get increased border security as a compromise to both parties and bases.

Now it's effectively Trump's wall versus the DACA and even his own party aren't willing to die on that hill just yet.

[Grokresh]

He rejected it when it was brought to him to sign it, claiming no wall no signature. Then he made the shithole countries comment there, tweeting about CHIP, etc and it completely blew up negotiations.

This! People need to stop ignoring this, the wall is a waste of money, going to be ineffective as hell planes go over walls! people come legally then stay illegally also anyone with a heart wouldn't send some poor kid(even if now adult) to a country they spent no time in that is utterly foreign to them, taking away their entire life in America for the crimes of their parents is just cruel. Sure stop illegal immigration I support that in almost all cases but children cannot have their lives torn apart for the sake of their parents in a country built by immigration, they come to America and build bussineses, we are talking about people with families here! going to send their kids to a foreign country as well or just rip them apart from their familes? Urgh this is maddening how can America be so cruel. but it's not america it's just trump who refused to sign this bipartisan deal at the last mintute, such a monster.

[Bullettime]

Historically it changes to a different party for the first midterm-election after a President is elected. Democrats /should/ win a fair few seats. They have a ton of ground to make up though because Dems lost 900 seats under Obama. Hopefully Democrats get away from identity politics and work towards being understanding of general Conservative ideas and values so they can speak to the average American better.



Where's your source on this? And did the bill include border security or no?

Yes. The deal was that Dems would agree to increase the spending towards border security instead of that ludicrously expensive, ineffective, and unnecessary wall in exchange for things like the DACA getting signed into law.

Then Trump later changed his mind, after negotiations were finished and they were bringing the paper to him, and said no wall, no signature.

[therayeffect]

Yes. The deal was that Dems would agree to increase the spending towards border security instead of that ludicrously expensive, ineffective, and unnecessary wall in exchange for things like the DACA getting signed into law.

Then Trump later changed his mind, after negotiations were finished and they were bringing the paper to him, and said no wall, no signature.

and again, what's the source on this? Where's the link? And I believe Trump has said he wanted the wall quite a lot.

[Ghostpanther]

Yes. The deal was that Dems would agree to increase the spending towards border security instead of that ludicrously expensive, ineffective, and unnecessary wall in exchange for things like the DACA getting signed into law.

Then Trump later changed his mind, after negotiations were finished and they were bringing the paper to him, and said no wall, no signature.

What papers ? A non official or binding document of a agreement which then would have to go into a bill to present to Congress? I do not blame him then. Did it give him any funding for a wall?

[Eviscero]

Historically it changes to a different party for the first midterm-election after a President is elected. Democrats /should/ win a fair few seats. They have a ton of ground to make up though because Dems lost 900 seats under Obama. Hopefully Democrats get away from identity politics and work towards being understanding of general Conservative ideas and values so they can speak to the average American better.



Where's your source on this? And did the bill include border security or no?

His source is reality (aka literally every news outlet except perhaps the most corrupt partisan online bullshit).

Yes, the bill had billions (just not the full 20 billion) in funding for border security and downpayment for the wall.

Jesus Christ you trumpians are so fucking easy to deceive. Ignorance isn't bliss, but it sure is fucking self reinforcing.

[JohnBrown1917]

Wait, do you think Trump can just "take a loan" from american tax dollars, and then try to have mexico pay it back with interest?


There is no way you truly believe that.

Never under-estimate Trump supporters.


Never.

[Pterodactylus]

The political sands have shifted. Support for Dreamers is simply not there anymore.

That's simply not true. Dreamers enjoy a majority of support from Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.

[Templar 331]

and again, what's the source on this? Where's the link? And I believe Trump has said he wanted the wall quite a lot.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politi...ess/index.html

[WillBowman]

Never under-estimate Trump supporters.


Never.

too true, a lot of Loyal Trump supporters are Extremists.

[Tiwack]

His source is reality (aka literally every news outlet except perhaps the most corrupt partisan online bullshit).

Yes, the bill had billions (just not the full 20 billion) in funding for border security and downpayment for the wall.

Jesus Christ you trumpians are so fucking easy to deceive. Ignorance isn't bliss, but it sure is fucking self reinforcing.

It is bliss though and also part of the allure to just strap yourself in for a ride when it all becomes detached entertainment and a matter of caring for others about as much as you do for yourself.

[dextersmith]

In laymen's terms, basically the US is bankrupt. They either need to raise the credit season or find a way to pay for the new tax cuts and military spending, as well as medicare and social security.

Get Mexico to pay for that too?

[Locruid]

The problem is that the illegal immigrants you're talking about aren't just the border hoppers. They're DREAMERS, and thus a bracket of immigrants that have bipartisan support in our government. They're basically Americans and deporting them is a literal sins of the father punishment.

Trump and the GOP are taking the backlash, not Dems, because of how transparent the situation is if you're not a Fox neanderthal because the GOP have the raw numbers to ram through anything they want without any Dem votes. But even their own party isn't on board with Trump's plan and have voted against it because it's political suicide in many of their districts or states.

Sweet under you logic, I should break into your house with a 8 yr old then demand you pay for his upbringing I mean he should live there now right?.....O and make sure your couch is comfy so I can sleep on it