US Federal Government Shutdown

[GreenGoldSharpie]

What is untrue about that statement?

What a stupid comment. I'm pointing you back towards reality. Either deal with us or don't. You're not getting your way here.

[Machismo]

A bipartisan plan that is not a bill that Lindsey Graham and outgoing Senator Lame duck Jeff flake drafted is not Bi-partisan.

Democrats and Republicans pushed the bill, making it bipartisan by definition.

"of or involving the agreement or cooperation of two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies."

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There is no bill. And the people pushing for this Bi-partisan compromise are Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake who cant even win a primary in 2018. That isn't Bipartisan. And this DACA issue has nothing to do with the CR and keeping the gov open. The democrats are using it to hold the American people hostage over amnesty for illegal aliens.

The democrats and republicans had a deal that would have been accepted if it wasn't for Trump.

The only one holding your country hostage is Trump.

I would love to be a Republican like you, it must be amazing to be so oblivious to anything that isn't your fabricated truth.

[Templar 331]

The fact remains the Modern Democrat party is willing to put the interests of illegal aliens over American Citizens and shut down the government.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

A little poem from the Statue of Liberty. You might want to read up on it's meaning.

[Machismo]

No it is shutting down because Congress isn't putting a budget before the President to sign or refuse to sign. You can scream and holler TRUMP!!!! ERRRMMMGGGHHHH! all you want but if they don't present a bill for the President to sign or reject then it is SOLELY on Congress. If they wanted to screw Trump then they should have presented a budget that passed the house and screamed RACIST!! when he didn't sign it. But yeah go ahead and rage because Congress would rather suck up to people who shouldn't even be here to start with than do their damn job that the people legally here sent them to DC to do.

Congress did come to him with a plan, and he shot it down.

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Oh well in a month and a half the democrats can say goodbye to their illegals when it becomes deportation time.

And Trump can say goodbye to his presidency at the end of the year when all the republicans are voted out of the senate and house.

[Machismo]

What is untrue about that statement?

Your assessment that people are hostages is untrue. Then again, you seem to have an issue with the definitions of words.

[Vatrilian]

The Republicans don't even have their whole party on board even if reconciliation was on the table. They only mustered a bit over 40 votes.

Their own party doesn't even support this bullshit.

John Mccain is dying so absent and the republicans in the house voted to pass the CR. And the house voted for a budget. It is the senate that is in complete dis-function. And the Senate voted 50 in favor so check your facts please.

[Dug]

If they don't apply in the timeline given then yes they should seek someplace else. Can apply here or whatever country they like. I don't want amnesty for these people at all. Let them be able to apply like everyone else. They get rejected well thats too bad.

Yeah because we all know the process is so efficient and doesn't take an absurd amount of time

[Vatrilian]

Your assessment that people are hostages is untrue. Then again, you seem to have an issue with the definitions of words.

The Democrats refuse to fund the government unless they get amnesty for 800k illegal aliens. That is the definition of hostage.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

John Mccain is dying so absent and the republicans in the house voted to pass the CR. And the house voted for a budget. It is the senate that is in complete dis-function. And the Senate voted 50 in favor so check your facts please.

Yeah, go ahead and remove the filibuster while your clock is getting cleaned in elections. Take the gloves off and next time we run things we'll expand the judiciary to undo all of Trump's appointments. How does 14 SCOTUS judges sound? 5 new liberals on the bench.

[Tiwack]

Republicans voted to fund the government. Democrats voted to close it. Republicans and the majority of the country do not want DACA without pre-conditions or we will be in the same place we are in 10 years when the next wave of illegals brings their children. I don't think it is unreasonable for America to grant DACA amnesty in exchange for lower immigration, the end of the incentive to cross illegally which is chain migration and the end of the lottery. Those are mainstream positions, its what Trump wants and its what the Democrats don,t want because that is the end of importing Democrat voters.

Slow down and keep an open mind. We're all just people. Nobody gets this stuff right the first time. It's okay to change your stance as you explore different perspectives and options. Maybe you'll think of one yourself? Forget the mainstream positions. There's enough parrots and monkeys in the world so just be yourself.

[Bullettime]

The Democrats refuse to fund the government unless they get amnesty for 800k illegal aliens. That is the definition of hostage.

And the Republicans agreed to compromise and effectively sign the DACA into law in exchange for border funding and the wall down payment which was agreed by to Democrats then Trump shot it down after promising to sign it and making a slew of additional demands, calling other countries shitholes, and his Twitter rants about CHIP.

[Daelak]

They cant put a budget forward because they don't have 60 votes in the senate again our system requires the minority party to have input unless you garnish a super majority. The Democrats did it to Bush the Republicans did it to Obama and now the Democrats are doing it to Trump. The 60 vote threshold must be eliminated so the party in power can govern

They had a bi-partisan agreement last week, with Trump praising it, then 24 hours later, probably influenced by Stephen Miller, undercut it and sent the deal out of control. You have to be delusional to believe that a deal could of been made in a week, let alone 12 hours. If the republican majority didn't let CHIP relapse last October, none of this would of happened. They wanted a bargaining chip, which helped them get a bi partisan deal last week.

[Machismo]

The Democrats refuse to fund the government unless they get amnesty for 800k illegal aliens. That is the definition of hostage.

Well, you didn't know what "bipartisan" meant, so here's another definition for you.

"a person seized or held as security for the fulfillment of a condition."

Since trump is the one who repealed DACA, and wants to use government force to detain and deport them, it would appear that he is actually the one holding the DACA recipients as hostages.

Man, you've just had two words blow up in your face, that's awkward.

[Vatrilian]

The democrats and republicans had a deal that would have been accepted if it wasn't for Trump.

The only one holding your country hostage is Trump.

I would love to be a Republican like you, it must be amazing to be so oblivious to anything that isn't your fabricated truth.

Again there is no bill that has been written but guidelines. The Graham amnesty would not have passed the house and would not have gotten out of committee. But at least people are finally understanding that the gov is shutdown because they couldn't get 800k illegals amnesty.

[Tiwack]

Again there is no bill that has been written but guidelines. The Graham amnesty would not have passed the house and would not have gotten out of committee. But at least people are finally understanding that the gov is shutdown because they couldn't get 800k illegals amnesty.

Is protecting people not more important than keeping a government running? How about your rights or constitution? Which values is it okay to obstruct government for? Nationalism or Liberty? They might be trespassers to you but they're still people and with DACA recipients many have little to no relation with their country of origin. They consider themselves American so why don't you? Can't see the person through your brainwashing? What's a true American? These people check all the boxes imo.

[Vatrilian]

Well, you didn't know what "bipartisan" meant, so here's another definition for you.

"a person seized or held as security for the fulfillment of a condition."

Since trump is the one who repealed DACA, and wants to use government force to detain and deport them, it would appear that he is actually the one holding the DACA recipients as hostages.

Man, you've just had two words blow up in your face, that's awkward.

Again facts are important here. Trump is not repealing DACA it is expiring. So when you start with a comment just familiarize yourself with the history of the program.

[Machismo]

Again there is no bill that has been written but guidelines. The Graham amnesty would not have passed the house and would not have gotten out of committee. But at least people are finally understanding that the gov is shutdown because they couldn't get 800k illegals amnesty.

You are literally arguing against individual liberty, limited government, and the free markets. You seem to have a lot of animosity towards people who weren't harming others.

[Vatrilian]

Is protecting people not more important than keeping a government running? How about your rights or constitution? Which values is it okay to obstruct government for? Nationalism or Liberty? They might be trespassers to you but they're still people and with DACA recipients many have little to no relation with their country of origin. They consider themselves American so why don't you? Can't see the person through your brainwashing? What's a true American? These people check all the boxes imo.

I am a citizen the government is supposed to work for me not 800k illegal aliens.