Will Democrates shut down the gov't for interest of foreigners?

[Felya]

Lol, pathetic. You're just like the last military guy who came in here crying crcodile tears about his pay and military families. Don't give a shit to try and make a difference, but when it comes around to bite you in the ass, suddenly it's all:

If you read back what started this, it’s really uncalled for. All @Winter Blossom said was that her military family will not get paid and that it sucks. What exactly is wrong there?

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Like I just told Winter, if someone doesn’t agrees with you all they are deemed the enemy.

You can tell her all you want, but you are fault for the reaction winter got. You are the one that keeps making everything about tribes... it’s impossible to tell who is being genuine, because of your ilks bullshit tact.

[Sunseeker]

If you read back what started this, it’s really uncalled for. All @Winter Blossom said was that her military family will not get paid and that it sucks. What exactly is wrong there?

Because it's this "My vote doesn't matter, I don't care who gets elected." bullshit that leads to people like Trump in power, and now Trump's bullshit has finally moved from poor kids, to immigrants to white people in the military and NOW she cares? Lol.

It's completely called for. She didn't vote. She didn't care.

I believe it was said best here:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Well, now they've come for her.

[Felya]

Because it's this "My vote doesn't matter, I don't care who gets elected." bullshit that leads to people like Trump in power, and now Trump's bullshit has finally moved from poor kids, to immigrants to white people in the military and NOW she cares? Lol.

It's completely called for. She didn't vote. She didn't care.

I believe it was said best here:

Well, now they've come for her.

Yes, but is the point that she does care? Does it really mater when it starts?

I think it was bad timing of the post. It was in the middle of the @Allybeboba poisoning the well. The result of his ilk’s tact or just the poison the well tact in general, is to cause people to lash out for no reason. At this point, maybe it’s time to say welcome to the club, instead of neener neener neener...

[Bullettime]

Yes, but is the point that she does care? Does it really mater when it starts?

I think it was bad timing of the post. It was in the middle of the @Allybeboba poisoning the well. The result of his ilk’s tact or just the poison the well tact in general, is to cause people to lash out for no reason. At this point, maybe it’s time to say welcome to the club, instead of neener neener neener...

pretty much. I welcome them into the fold of seeing how fucked up the GOP really is becoming and how fucked up Trump is.

It's sad that people don't care until it bites them personally but better later than never.

[Bullettime]

I understand your frustration in someone who didn’t vote. I didn’t this election and never have before. However, I do care, please don’t assume I don’t. I may not call America my home, but it is home to my husband and kids, and their quality of life is important to me. This election has showed me the importance of voting; I see that now.

Which is why some of us aren't being hostile to you. I say, welcome to the team. A team made up of Democrats, moderates, independents, and even Republicans.

This is the type of shit we were warning people about. That even previously Republican leaders were warning us about. It's just taken some longer to realize that their families are on the chopping block too (edit: and no one is necessarily safe because of how bipolar our president, and thus his support in congress, are about just about any issue.)

But again, better late than never and sorry your family end up as collateral damage in this mess.

[Sunseeker]

Yes, but is the point that she does care? Does it really mater when it starts?

It does. Because now it is hollow, selfish concern. She still has no concern for anyone besides her family. She's said as much "Now's not the time for pointing fingers, my primary concern is my family." What about the Dreamers? What about the kids on CHIP? Where was her concern for this vaunted "family" when their lives, their rights, their futures, their financial stability was put under the gun?

NOWHERE. That's where. And now what does she want? She wants the Democrats to compromise on the lives, the rights, the futures and the financial stability of others so that she can get her government check. That's how it always is with her type. As long as it's someone else who's going to take the hit, she doesn't care, as long as she's getting her check, she doesn't care.

She may call herself a Democrat, but she's always been a fairly right-leaning one if her post history is any indication. Those are called DINOs and I'm happy to do without them.

I think it was bad timing of the post. It was in the middle of the @Allybeboba poisoning the well. The result of his ilk’s tact or just the poison the well tact in general, is to cause people to lash out for no reason. At this point, maybe it’s time to say welcome to the club, instead of neener neener neener...

What club? The club I'm in is the "Republicans can fuck right off." club. I hope the Democrats stick to their guns. I hope the government stays shut down. I hope it stays that way for a long time. Because when I saw a loud-mouthed, incompetant, racist, misogynistic, blowhard with terrible business sense running for President I went out and voted for the guy who was his complete opposite.

What did Winter do? Oh that's right, NOTHING. Because she saw a white male republican running for president and thought it wasn't going to effect her.

I'm not lashing out out of cowardice. I'm calling out others on their selfishness. I'm tired of Americans who can't see past tomorrow. I'm tired of Americans who think only of themselves. I'm tired of people who only "care" when it happens to them. I'm tired of the selfish me-firstism that permeates American culture. And I'm tired of being polite about it.

Winter made her bed. Now she can lay in it.

[Felya]

pretty much. I welcome them into the fold of seeing how fucked up the GOP really is becoming and how fucked up Trump is.

It's sad that people don't care until it bites them personally but better later than never.

The thing that sucks now, is how acceptable it is to defend Trump based on perception, instead of merit. Because the woke independent like @Allybeboba call any criticism of Trump just partisan attacks. They are trying to make it seem like Trump is beyond reproach, because the issue is tribalism, not the merit of the criticism. If you think about it, what is the difference between replying that Trump did nothing wrong and that the reaction to Trump is partisan bickering?

What happens as a result, is exactly what happened to @Winter Blossom... everyone was so busy arguing about partisanship with @Allybeboba, that anyone being genuine at that moment, will simply get rolled into that bullshit.

[Wyrt]

Because it's this "My vote doesn't matter, I don't care who gets elected." bullshit that leads to people like Trump in power, and now Trump's bullshit has finally moved from poor kids, to immigrants to white people in the military and NOW she cares? Lol.

It's completely called for. She didn't vote. She didn't care.

Sometimes votes just don't matter. My vote didn't count for shit because our electoral system disenfranchises millions of votes every election with archaic and undemocratic systems. Particularly in my state where even if my vote mattered it would still matter far less than someone's vote in another state.

[Allybeboba]

All I said is I’m worried about my family and that they were my priority. I’m not sure what caused you to think this and get all overdramatic. And of course people are going to be upset about the possibility of not being paid. We’re a family of 4 with bills to pay and mouths to feed. I’m not sure why that causes you to get upset.

Seriously, stop witch hunting.

Winter, you have to realize there is a certain core group of people that seem to think that this subforum belongs to them and their ideals. They seem to forget this is a subforum open to all not just people of their single mindedness.

Cheers

[Sunseeker]

Sometimes votes just don't matter. My vote didn't count for shit because our electoral system disenfranchises millions of votes every election with archaic and undemocratic systems. Particularly in my state where even if my vote mattered it would still matter far less than someone's vote in another state.

As I have mentioned before, I'm a Democrat living in Wyoming. My vote didn't change the way my state came out. But I still put in my attempt to make the future I wanted to see happen.

Do you want to know why I'm not giving in to Winter's pleas for forgiveness?

I understand your frustration in someone who didn’t vote. I didn’t this election and never have before.

It's right there in the bold.

We don't need her. She needs us. It's an important difference in perspective that will make or break the Democratic victory.

[Allybeboba]

The thing that sucks now, is how acceptable it is to defend Trump based on perception, instead of merit. Because the woke independent like @Allybeboba call any criticism of Trump just partisan attacks. They are trying to make it seem like Trump is beyond reproach, because the issue is tribalism, not the merit of the criticism. If you think about it, what is the difference between replying that Trump did nothing wrong and that the reaction to Trump is partisan bickering?

What happens as a result, is exactly what happened to @Winter Blossom... everyone was so busy arguing about partisanship with @Allybeboba, that anyone being genuine at that moment, will simply get rolled into that bullshit.

The problem with that is she got lumped into that before I posted today if I am not mistaken. Or at least hours after I did.
If this isn’t a partisanship issue I don’t know what else it is. Politics in the United States is practically all about partisanship. That is the challenge one faces when you have a two party system.

Cheers

[Felya]

The problem with that is she got lumped into that before I posted today if I am not mistaken. Or at least hours after I did.
If this isn’t a partisanship issue I don’t know what else it is. Politics in the United States is practically all about partisanship. That is the challenge one faces when you have a two party system.

You know full well what it is, because you quoted me saying what it is. Winter said she was a democrat, so this isn’t partisan. You and others with your tact demand that everyone be in tribes. You are the reason why someone will get a reaction like this, because you reply to every issue as a partisan or tribal issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

[Allybeboba]

"Both sides are to blame" - Allybeboba

Reps are literally the ones that stopped the military from getting paid. Dems supported, Reps objected, but for sure they are one and the same.

Are both sides to blame for not coming to comprise on the shutdown or is just one?

Neither are willing to make a compromise on DACA. If they were we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Cheers

[Bullettime]

Are both sides to blame for not coming to comprise on the shutdown or is just one?

Neither are willing to make a compromise on DACA. If they were we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Cheers

What you keep ignoring is that a compromise already was made and Trump shot it full of holes which not only killed that deal but made further negotiation impossible.

Tom Cotton sabotaged the deal and Trump tore hope of a compromise to shreds.

[Felya]

Are both sides to blame for not coming to comprise on the shutdown or is just one?

Neither are willing to make a compromise on DACA. If they were we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Cheers

Sure... both sides are to blame. Can we measure who is more to blame, based on who had the advantage? Which party controls the senate? Which party controls house? Which party controls the presidency?

[Bullettime]

Sure... both sides are to blame. Can we measure who is more to blame, based on who had the advantage? Which party controls the senate? Which party controls house? Which party controls the presidency?

Which side blew up the compromise that was already made

[Felya]

What you keep ignoring is that a compromise already was made and Trump shot it full of holes which not only killed that deal but made further negotiation impossible.

Tom Cotton sabotaged the deal and Trump tore hope of a compromise to shreds.

Trump is planning a celebration tonight for his 1 year presidency, while GOP had members on the congress floor demanding the release of a memo. But... democrats are to blame. Trump thanked democrats for the shut down today. Said we needed a shut down months ago. But... democrats are to blame.

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Which side blew up the compromise that was already made

You really don’t need to convince me.

I’m more pointing at the fact that even equal blame, would put more blame on RNC... if it was equally distributed... because they control every branch of federal government. There are more of them that share the blame.

[Lenonis]

Sometimes votes just don't matter. My vote didn't count for shit because our electoral system disenfranchises millions of votes every election with archaic and undemocratic systems. Particularly in my state where even if my vote mattered it would still matter far less than someone's vote in another state.

I heard a compelling argument that said that even in a state where one party dominates your vote still matters because it determines whether or not someone can claim a popular mandate or not. Things tend to operate differently if someone gets elected with 51% of the votes vs 80% of the votes. Just food for thought.

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Winter, you have to realize there is a certain core group of people that seem to think that this subforum belongs to them and their ideals. They seem to forget this is a subforum open to all not just people of their single mindedness.

Cheers

You also have to realize that this sub-forum is open to all people, not just your particular shallow brand of woke independent. So maybe take your own advice?

[Xeones]

Are both sides to blame for not coming to comprise on the shutdown or is just one?

Neither are willing to make a compromise on DACA. If they were we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Cheers

Stop being disingenuous, compromise was made. Trump refused it.

There to is no way to make the argument that both sides are to blame. Trump is to blame.

[Allybeboba]

You know full well what it is, because you quoted me saying what it is. Winter said she was a democrat, so this isn’t partisan. You and others with your tact demand that everyone be in tribes. You are the reason why someone will get a reaction like this, because you reply to every issue as a partisan or tribal issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

I haven’t read anywhere that she said she was a Democrat. I didn’t know it until you just stated it. I made single post in yesterday afternoon poking fun of the PotUS when it was in the Gen-OT forum
Today, I made a single post in this thread at 7:48AM Central mentioning something about a “compromise”. I believe it may have still been in the Gen-OT forum at that point.
I didn’t make another post in it until nearly seven hours later stating “the fingerpointing has begun”. And it has. Both sides are blaming each other as expected.
I didn’t read every page in that seven hours that I was absent from posting my friend. Sorry to disappoint.

Cheers