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    Reagan, W. Bush and Bush were all for DACA

    All 3 of those famous and infamous Republican POTUS's were all pro DACA.
    Sad to see Republicans are so extreme these days they moved the Goal Post to try and make the Extreme Norm.

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    Yeah Reagan loved some cheap labor, but I'd say it was his biggest flaw and mistake. Illegal immigration and granting amnesty has backfired hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Yeah Reagan loved some cheap labor, but I'd say it was his biggest flaw and mistake. Illegal immigration and granting amnesty has backfired hard.
    DACA backfired how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regalia View Post
    DACA backfired how?
    By letting law abiding Americans continue living in the US?

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    Blame the Tea Party for making it clear that anyone who is not on the extreme side will face a primary challenge? Or rather the rest of Republican voters for not standing up to Tea Party insanity and allowing them to dictate the modern face of the party.
    The Tea Party is/was mostly split on immigration when you take into account the more libertarian members of the movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    The Tea Party is/was mostly split on immigration when you take into account the more libertarian members of the movement.
    The Tea Party has never really had libertarian elements. They had about two people, but they decided to leave when they realized the Tea Party was nothing more than a social conservative movement with racist icing.

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    In today's political climate, Reagan would have been voted out for being a liberal cuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    The Tea Party has never really had libertarian elements. They had about two people, but they decided to leave when they realized the Tea Party was nothing more than a social conservative movement with racist icing.

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    In today's political climate, Reagan would have been voted out for being a liberal cuck.
    Reagan, Bush, and W. also didn't claim that Democrats were complicit in Murder.

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    Any decent person is in support of DACA. Takes a special kind of hateful monster to send people to a country they have never known and a language they may not speak when they have done nothing wrong as an individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Yeah Reagan loved some cheap labor, but I'd say it was his biggest flaw and mistake. Illegal immigration and granting amnesty has backfired hard.
    It has backfired by keeping our birth rate high and supplying the workforce with much needed skilled and unskilled labor? Illegal immigration is an inevitability, unless the US turns into North Korea or a failed state in Sub-Saharan Africa. You want people from around the world to come to your country, it brings productivity and gives us an upper hand on our trading partners and adversaries.

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    I can't help but to think that all this immigration talk recently, and by extension Trump's election, is the last gasp of a portion of the white majority fighting against the inevitability of becoming just a plurality of Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrenheit View Post
    I can't help but to think that all this immigration talk recently, and by extension Trump's election, is the last gasp of a portion of the white majority fighting against the inevitability of becoming just a plurality of Americans.
    Basically, yes. This really has been the timeline of white segregationists and racists since desegregation. Once the federal government came to the protection of minority populations, and has increasingly done so since the CRA and VRA, white conservatives have been incensed that they are no longer sole beneficiary of the government largess and its bounty. This is why conservative and libertarian think tanks exploded into fruition, via the monies of rich racists and segregationists during the civil rights era. Til this day, the institutions, the adepts, and the mediums which propagate the conservative and libertarian message, are all fighting for full restoration of white exclusivity and franchisement in all levels of government, lost to the "federal overreach" of the civil rights era.

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    DACA is such a fucking smoke screen. Who gives a shit about a few million kids who were smuggled into the US? I've "smuggled" cocaine and marijuana across state lines on multiple occasions in my college days, so technically, I'm a bigger criminal than 90% of DACA recipients, and I'm a pretty functional member of society today. At least, I think I am.

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    and if you remember correctly the party at the time was very upset about bush junior's proposed amnesty bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Yeah Reagan loved some cheap labor, but I'd say it was his biggest flaw and mistake. Illegal immigration and granting amnesty has backfired hard.
    So... we'll put you down as another who doesn't know what DACA is, but is against it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regalia View Post
    All 3 of those famous and infamous Republican POTUS's were all pro DACA.
    Sad to see Republicans are so extreme these days they moved the Goal Post to try and make the Extreme Norm.
    At this point the GOP just needs to die, and reform itself. Hopefully the Trump impeachment will do it - split the Trumpsters from the honest GOP, with the latter slowly building it back up.

    They'll have plenty of time after the 2018 and 2020 elections. The dems might have super-majorities in both by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    So... we'll put you down as another who doesn't know what DACA is, but is against it?
    People are amazing, truly amazing, in their ignorance. @Taftvalue is just a notable example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    So... we'll put you down as another who doesn't know what DACA is, but is against it?
    It's not entirely @Taftvalue's fault, simply because we already know the Trump camp doesn't think particularly hard about any given point of policy. Especially considering that the GOP is doing their hardest to try and blur the lines between DACA and illegal immigration and reduce popular support for the former, or try and force the Democrats into appearing to be in support of illegal immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    It has backfired by keeping our birth rate high and supplying the workforce with much needed skilled and unskilled labor? Illegal immigration is an inevitability, unless the US turns into North Korea or a failed state in Sub-Saharan Africa. You want people from around the world to come to your country, it brings productivity and gives us an upper hand on our trading partners and adversaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regalia View Post
    All 3 of those famous and infamous Republican POTUS's were all pro DACA.
    Sad to see Republicans are so extreme these days they moved the Goal Post to try and make the Extreme Norm.
    Three Republicans who didn't give a shit about border policy, likely because the Chamber of Commerce wants borderline slave labourers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Three Republicans who didn't give a shit about border policy, likely because the Chamber of Commerce wants borderline slave labourers.
    Bullshit, Bush got the fence made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regalia View Post
    Bullshit, Bush got the fence made.
    WOOOOO a fence..... -_-
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