If you found your Unborn Child had Down Syndrome would you want them Born?

[brbshower]

There are MILLIONS of adults around the world living with down syndrome who are living normal and productive lives. It's all about the support system and the parents. Which thank sweet baby thrall none of you kids will ever be. Judging from the "abort abort abort" shitstorm this thread was created for to begin with, I'm not surprised.

And, pardon the language, but you asshats who say "I don't want to burdened with it"...go play in traffic please. If you don't want to be burdened then maybe you should keep your little tic tac's in your pants.

[sionus]

Would abort without question. Not about it at all.

You're the kind of person that has no business having children.

[Ozyorkbourne]

Pretty much every person with down syndrome I've met has been happy as a clam. Maybe you should have been the one aborted for being so ignorant.

I expect that's because you haven't met the ones with it so severe that they can't leave the house or be without supervision.

[Celista]

As a brother to a person with Downs Syndrome I find most of these responses sad, but at the same time I understand it completely. Her upbringing was difficult, she had to have heart surgery due to a hole in the heart, and is easily sick with the complications that come with the disability. However there are a few points I've seen made in the thread I'd like to counter:

Downs Syndrome people can be happy. I'm not going to quote individual posters, but claiming they are 'sad' for their whole life is not exactly true. Firstly, it depends on the severity of the downs syndrome. When it comes to my sister, who is now 29 years old, I've never met someone who can be so happy about the most simple things, and also make people around her happy as well.

Not all Downs Syndrome people are 'children' their whole life. While their mental age will in most cases not match their actual age, they can act like adults when in adulthood. Again, it depends on the severity of the disability.

While I wouldn't wish a disability on any one, people with downs syndrome and their loved ones can live happy lives. My sister is happy with her life.

But at the same time as I said, I completely understand most peoples response that they would abort.

I personally love that population. I'm sure many people's opinions would change if they simply spent time around individuals with the disorder.

[Bathory]

You're the kind of person that has no business having children.

Calm down.

[Preliatus]

First off, I'm happy that I'm sterile, but if something like that happened to me I'd ask who my partner cheated on me with and suggested that they ask the other guy instead of me.

[Nerph-]

I personally love that population. I'm sure many people's opinions would change if they simply spent time around individuals with the disorder.

She truly is a gem, even on her off days. She really enjoys the simple things in life, be it listening to music, watching her favorite TV shows or movies, or what my mother has cooked for dinner (I swear every evening she tells her "this is my favorite!"). She also has a wonderful sense of humor, and a contagious laugh that would set any one into a laughing fit.

While bringing up children in general is already difficult and not for everyone, and bringing up a disabled child is even harder, I agree with you that I think some peoples opinions would change if they spent time around people with downs syndrome.

[Raakel]

I would abort any pregnancy. There isn't a person in this world that is good enough for the gift of another person being born. All they do is use other people for their own ends. I am not going to give birth to a person for other people to use. Fuck people. At least until they learn to stop using people.

Sounds like you live in a very toxic environment. Ever thought about changing that?

I've been working with disabled children for about two years and it changed my view entirely. I can tell you unless they have a very painful and serious condition they enjoy life as much as we do. They don't care if you are big, small, fat or tall, or if you got green hair and the coolest sneakers. The only thing that matters to them is if you are a nice person and want to interact/play with them. That's their only judgement. I always kind of admired that in a way because we live in a world full of paradigms and believe systems which may cause you to think life is suffering while in fact it's not. It's just what you where trained to believe and projection that you think a disabled persons life is miserable.

[Dormie]

If you find out that it has the disorder very early in pregnancy then I don't see a reason not to when you can just try again.

[zenkai]

Some unrelated comparisons right there. Shitty people are sometimes the results of a shitty parent.

Shitty people can have good parents, or are you calling your parents shitty?

[Flarelaine]

That's an easy distinction in the first trimester. Not so much in the second or third, at the time that effective testing can be done.

Testing methods exist for the first trimester. Down's advocate groups fight tooth and claw to suppress those for some reason,

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Hmm...and when the parents die, who will care for the person then?

Have you ever seen an old man with Down's? The linked physical conditions tend to take them before 40.

[Frenegade42]

Unfortunately on the left they conflate right-to-choose with you-gon-pay-for-it. While the world could do with less children born to poverty stricken minorities (the blacks and the Hispanics are the ones getting the abortions - it's essentially a eugenics program to dispose of excess black and brown people that the Left seems to have no problem with) I have to side with the Right in the that I don't want to have to pay for some dumbasses 3rd or 4th abortion.

I think mentally or physically disabled pregnancies should be given the option of a government funded abortion. Failure to take up the offer means no access to welfare for the afflicted individual, as the upfront offer of once-off $500 solution to a lifetime taxpayer burden was the parents to make.

[ipaq]

1. Still a different life... aka a child
2. Mother has decision to take care of child or have someone else raise him
3. If you support adoption then send your child to be adopted by parents who would love him/her

There are plenty of kids up for adoption to be taken care of by loving parents... if only you felt the same way.

P.S. You just lost the moral high ground kiddo

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Correct answer: fuck no. Buh bye children!

Had to fix it for you

Keep talking. Your archaic fucktard views have nothing on my morale high ground.

[Morssoe]

Animals abandon weak cubs too. You can't say that is not natural. So it should be okey to act that way too.

[Ghostpanther]

Well, I won't have it.
What a person appears to be..."kind...happy" is just that; what they're showing you. They need proper care, and lacking that at any time is always a possibility, especially after mom and dad are gone.
Perhaps some here actually believe that living such a life is somehow...preferred.

I'm reminded of "Flowers for Algernon."

Your decision to not see the good in a person or the worth of a person.

[Deleted]

I would definitely abort.

In a time where we aren't subject to natural selection anymore, we would do well to consciously help it along. We want humanity to survive forever, not to devolve into a weak, sick race that will die out easily. When a child is born with a debilitating disease, both mental and physical, it should be loved and helped and cared for to the best of our abilities, but I see no harm in preventing those children from being born in the first place (obviously only up to the legal max abortion age).

A child that is not born, will not miss life. It will not regret not being born, nor hate you for it. It will be as it was before you yourself were born, simple non existence.

[Musik-Diversity86]

Yes, if there was a screening available and the parents would have chosen not to take on the burden of raising a child with Down syndrome, and no if the parents would have decided to take on the burden. In hindsight things turned out well for her. But for every Jamie Brewer there's another (debilitating and crippling illnesses and development problems are extremely common among Down Syndrome sufferers) who requires a lifetime of help from an army of doctors, specialists, caretakers just to have something resembling a sustainable life.

Once again for 11th fucking milionth of time, it's up to the mother/parents, and it is nobody else's business. The Icelandic government isn't mandating or pressuring women to abort babies with Down Syndrome. Nobody is. It is about having the choice whether you believe you can provide a good, successful and fulfilling life to your child or not.

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I don't even know where the fuck to start with the amount of fucking stupid you just churned out.

What the fuck does DNA and it's "uniqueness" have to do with anything? Because by your logic monozygotic twins (the rare people with completely shared DNA, without in-utero mutations) are essentially the same individual?

Or the rare Human Chimeras (people who in-utero absorb an undeveloped twin, integrating parts of them into their body and sometimes having more than 1 DNA's) are multiple individuals?


Non-viable outside the womb means, if you take it out of the womb it is inanimate. It doesn't have an autonomous nervous, cardiac or respiratory system.

DNA is not some strange magical life thing. It's just a chemical data storage system/device. Viruses (which aren't technically "alive") have DNA, inanimate objects can have DNA, usually rocks derived from biological precursors.

And no...the potential for life doesn't have the same objective value as existing life.

"P.S...I never said condoms never fail. My fucking point was that they do fail.

You know, it would be cool if you knew something about anything before you decide to spill your pointless stream of consciousness onto the interwebz.

If abortion goes against your beliefs and values, then don't have one. But, don't fucking tell other people what to do and try to paint it like there's some sort of grounded reason for that which would go beyond what you personally think.

I like how you chose to twist it to make it seem like you had something to back your claim. I am not talking about twins or one child absorbing another inside the womb.... just the initial concept of fusion between sperm and egg which then creates new life.

"Would be cool if you knew something about anything" I love this argument so much, makes them look like they know anything too.

"Don't fucking tell other people... " calm down kiddo, chill with the edginess. I never said they have to do what I say... I get to say what I want in any given situation. You tell others to stop doing certain things but you are doing so yourself. Shush

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You abort a fetus; not a child. Zygote would also be acceptable to say, but not likely if you’ve discovered the fetus has Down Syndrome, since it would be further along in the pregnancy.

It's the same life. Pretty easy stuff

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Keep talking. Your archaic fucktard views have nothing on my morale high ground.

*yawn

You give up to easily

[Billy Idol]

No cos is a big impact to the family and for him or her. I would say Yes if we live in world were the health system is different.

[Musik-Diversity86]

"Alleged" merely means that your claim against the validity of his comment is subjective, when in fact he has a valid point. Your point attempts to use the "life begins at conception" drivel as a wedge for the "abortion is wrong" argument, which is objectively false.



It has nothing to do with morality, but rather with asserting that it's not "murder", etc, and therefore acceptable due to the mother's bodily autonomy taking precedence.



This isn't relevant to anything.



You "being honest" demonstrates subjectivity thereby making your assertion that it's "selfish" ignorant.

1. Sorry but it doesn't work that way, agreeing with his point doesn't make it true nor does it validate it even further. You call facts drivel which is... interesting.

2. Then you must be new to UV Violence act of 2004. ok

3. Not a strong argument but you are still welcome to answer it instead of dodging it.

4. I am sorry you feel that way but it's the way it was done. Very rare to see people admit their flaws since I am admitting to being selfish in other matters but I guess I can call others ignorant if they agree with me. I'll provide you with a safety pin

[kail]

Shitty people can have good parents, or are you calling your parents shitty?

They could and visa-versa. But parenting is still a factor that could determine if a person is decent or not. Down Syndrome is mostly genetic rng.

Also my mother can be a pain, but I'd say she did a great job raising 3 by herself, none of us I would consider"shitty".