"I have to level a --insert allied race-- so I can get heritage armor."

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Sorry for enjoying earning something that not everyone has the drive to earn and being rewarded for it, next time I'll demand I have everything without trying :[

So you enjoy replaying the same thing over and over again, at least 20 times? Oh and that thing has always been flawed and boring?

Again, will you goddamn listen to what we are saying. We DO NOT MIND WORKING FOR IT, just make the content current and relevant.

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Well looks like they are gated for once, shit happens, I'm not kicking a stink over it. You don't HAVE to do the entire levelling process, Cosmetic armour is a bonus if you WANT to do the 1-110 process again, you can race change to them so it's not as if you're being forced to level a fresh Nightborne for example.

You should be, they are nickel and diming you. This is no different than shady DLC practises.

[NatePsy]

So you enjoy replaying the same thing over and over again, at least 20 times? Oh and that thing has always been flawed and boring?

Again, will you goddamn listen to what we are saying. We DO NOT MIND WORKING FOR IT, just make the content current and relevant.

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You should be, they are nickel and diming you. This is no different than shady DLC practises.

No they aren't because they are giving you a choice to use an Allied race without paying money, and they aren't making you pay any money to earn said cosmetic armour either. That's how new races have always worked, you've always had two choices to either race change to one and boost one up OR LEVEL ONE. Why now is it a big deal? Oh because you don't want to go and put in effort to obtain the heritage armour that was offered AS A BONUS FOR CHOOSING TO LEVEL TO 110. Heritage armour is optional, not mandatory, their terms are clear, don't like it? Well tough.

Mogs are available, some require effort, some don't, heritage armour just requires effort. Why aren't you kicking a stink about Mythic raid armour or elite armour? Because you'd get told to freaking earn it.

[Nalorakk]

So you enjoy replaying the same thing over and over again, at least 20 times? Oh and that thing has always been flawed and boring?

Again, will you goddamn listen to what we are saying. We DO NOT MIND WORKING FOR IT, just make the content current and relevant.

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You should be, they are nickel and diming you. This is no different than shady DLC practises.

So you're asking that Blizzard adds more of a design burden to Allied races, which were only made possible due to the significantly reduced design burden due to engine advancements just because you don't want to level again, and in doing so, give Blizzard additional money for race changing/level boosting?

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No they aren't because they are giving you a choice to use an Allied race without paying money, and they aren't making you pay any money to earn said cosmetic armour either. That's how new races have always worked, you've always had two choices to either race change to one or boost one up. Why now is it a big deal? Oh because you don't want to go and put in effort to obtain the heritage armour that was offered AS A BONUS FOR CHOOSING TO LEVEL TO 110.

Race change costs money.
Levelling a new obsolete character = more sub time.
Boosts cost money.

The fact that heritage armour is a 'bonus' for levelling is what this conversation is about....it shouldn't be a bonus for doing that. It should be a reward for doing something new that has a connection to the race itself, like a rep grind.

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So you're asking that Blizzard adds more of a design burden to Allied races, which were only made possible due to the significantly reduced design burden due to engine advancements just because you don't want to level again, and in doing so, give Blizzard additional money for race changing/level boosting?

So I'm asking a company who maintains a game with our money through a sub AND for expansions to actually make new content.....yes, yes I am. The fact you are not is a massive ****** problem.

[Aeula]

They want to play the race, we just don’t want to level it through the same fucking trashy content we’ve had for seven years (Longer in the case of TBC and Wrath) to get the transmog.

[Deleted]

Hey want this cool piece of armour for Commander Shepard in Mass Effect 3 that is based on his/her class and background? Yea? Well go replay Mass Effect 1 and 2 another 20 times and we'll give it to you.

Oh you want these other ones for your team mates? yea go replay ME1+2 ANOTHER 20 times.

[NatePsy]

Race change costs money.
Levelling a new obsolete character = more sub time.
Boosts cost money.

The fact that heritage armour is a 'bonus' for levelling is what this conversation is about....it shouldn't be a bonus for doing that. It should be a reward for doing something new that has a connection to the race itself, like a rep grind.

Well it isn't, you've been given your terms for obtaining it. Take it or leave it. I'll most certainly be taking it and earning the armour because I have no issue putting in effort for something they have stated is OPTIONAL and not COMPULSORY because it will not make your character super powerful, thus they can make any requirement they want for it.

As I just stated, the race itself can be levelled to 110 and boosted and/or race changed to, the same way other races in the past have been. (Except Feats of Strength for races aren't a thing anymore so the boost/race change option won't be gated)

[SpookySkeleton]

LOOT FOR NOTHING! PURPS FOR FREE!

A common cry out by lazy players who are upset that they have to work towards rewards. These are the same people who do LFR every week and are somehow still stuck at 900 item level. They want the game to cater towards them so they can get what they want and log off for three months afterwards.

If you want your special armor, you have to earn it. Go out and do it.

[Nalorakk]

Race change costs money.
Levelling a new obsolete character = more sub time.
Boosts cost money.

The fact that heritage armour is a 'bonus' for levelling is what this conversation is about....it shouldn't be a bonus for doing that. It should be a reward for doing something new that has a connection to the race itself, like a rep grind.

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So I'm asking a company who maintains a game with our money to actually make new content.....yes, yes I am. The fact you are not is a massive ****** problem.

We're staring down the long barrel to a new expansion with a huge amount of content being added.
We were just given one of the largest patches the game has ever received, updating every single pre-wod quest, item and zone in the game.

I am very content with the amount of content Legion has provided to me thus far, and I feel both the money I put in for the expansion and the sub cost throughout it has been well spent.

I would enjoy even more content, but if that comes at the cost of delaying certain things like allied races, which I'm very eager to get my hands on, then I am absolutely okay with earning heritage armour by leveling again.

[Goldielocks]

Sounds like Blizzard is trying to give more incentive for people to level using the new system.

[Dristereau]

In my case I have every Class on both factions at level 100 or higher. I want the Heritage Armor and want to change my Troll Druid to be a Zandalari. I don't particularly want to level another Druid just to get an armor set on my original Druid.

Let's face it, I'll level these character to get the Heritage sets, then either abandon or delete them. With all characters that I currently have on my account I am sitting at 44. I don't really want more. I want less right now. I don't have time to play even 10 of them right now

[Yarathir]

Come on, we're playing an MMO. The entire business model of this genre is to pay a company $15 a month in order to do the same thing over and over again. This is what we all signed up for!

Ehh.. fair point.

[Ielenia]

Comparing new/relevant content requisition on your Main character to having to level a secondary character through outdated and irrelevant content is inane.

No, it's not. It's the exact same thing. It's complaining about having to work to get a set of transmog pieces. Why should I have to do Black Temple over and over and over, hoping to get the two Warglaives of Azzinoth so I can transmog them on my DH? Why can't I just get in BT and be automatically awarded the Warglaives' transmog? Why do I have to do any old raid and/or dungeon over and over until I get the transmog appearances I want? It's outdated content, by your logic, so it should just be awarded to us.

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No, it's not. It's the exact same thing. It's complaining about having to work to get a set of transmog pieces. Why should I have to do Black Temple over and over and over, hoping to get the two Warglaives of Azzinoth so I can transmog them on my DH? Why can't I just get in BT and be automatically awarded the Warglaives' transmog? Why do I have to do any old raid and/or dungeon over and over until I get the transmog appearances I want? It's outdated content, by your logic, so it should just be awarded to us.

Because heritage armour is tied to allied races, which are a BfA selling feature......

How is this even remotely difficult to understand?

Remember when you had to go back and replay 1-80 to unlock Worgen, good times.

[Nalorakk]

Because heritage armour is tied to allied races, which are a BfA selling feature......

How is this even remotely difficult to understand?

Heritage armour is tied to Allied races, but not given freely with Allied races.

If you want the bonus reward of the heritage armour sets, you'll have to earn it by leveling a new allied race character.

How is this even remotely difficult to understand?

[Deleted]

Heritage armour is tied to Allied races, but not given freely with Allied races.

If you want the bonus reward of the heritage armour sets, you'll have to earn it by leveling a new allied race character.

How is this even remotely difficult to understand?

Jesus, are we just going to go round and round and round.

Our point is it SHOULDN'T BE, not that it is.

[Ielenia]

You aren't forced but you are punished if you don't.

Previous Races you could simply race change and be done with.Money spent but that its.

And you will still be able to do so with the Allied Races. Pay money (or buy enough WoW tokens) and a character of your choosing will be race-changed to the new race (after you unlocked said allied race, of course).

Now if you want the "heritage armor", though, that's another issue altogether. It's not really much different than creating a paladin, using a level boost to get to the current expansion's minimum level, but then want the vanilla/BC/Wrath/whatever transmog appearances and "be forced" to do those outdated content raids over and over to get them.

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Jesus, are we just going to go round and round and round.

Our point is it SHOULDN'T BE, not that it is.

Why shouldn't it be?

[Deleted]

And you will still be able to do so with the Allied Races. Pay money (or buy enough WoW tokens) and a character of your choosing will be race-changed to the new race (after you unlocked said allied race, of course).

Now if you want the "heritage armor", though, that's another issue altogether. It's not really much different than creating a paladin, using a level boost to get to the current expansion's minimum level, but then want the vanilla/BC/Wrath/whatever transmog appearances and "be forced" to do those outdated content raids to get them.

No it's not, in fact for Pallies it's WORSE. The actual gear is tied behind a PvP achievement that you can no longer get. Grand Marshal gear.

[Nalorakk]

Jesus, are we just going to go round and round and round.

Our point is it SHOULDN'T BE, not that it is.

And my point is that it is because to me, it's a sensible challenge from both a design perspective, and a player perspective.

[Goldielocks]

Jesus, are we just going to go round and round and round.

Our point is it SHOULDN'T BE, not that it is.

The problem with arguing on forums is that people keep jumping in and all you're doing is saying the same shit to 20 people lmao