Sylvanas: "We must secure a future for our Horde children."

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Ah actually I enjoy these threads a lot. It is funny how they totally neglect every argument that is contrer their view. Especially when confrontimg them with the Sylvanas story Edge of the night, which was basiclally labled as "years old" and thus no longer true, Sylvanas now is different, she really cares now! Because of ... well reasons.

Are you saying a character can't evolve during the span of several years? I haven't seen these arguments you talk about, so help me out.

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Of course Sylvanas the holy has made a complete 180 degree turn, nobody was aware of.
Sylvanas Redemption story must have been missed by everyone it seems.

Her actions talk for her motivations and her character has not changed, not a bit. There is not a single evidence for it. Whishful thinking about a future raid boss.

[Brubear]

It's almost as if you're playing a game called World of Warcraft.

While I see your point, maybe don't use a video from a game where there was a very clear, black-and-white distinction between the two sides where one of them were very clearly the bad guys and the other ones were very clearly the good guys, and hint: the one currently advocating for taking over Kalimdor weren't the good guys.

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Of course Sylvanas the holy has made a complete 180 degree turn, nobody was aware of.
Sylvanas Redemption story must have been missed by everyone it seems.

Her actions talk for her motivations and her character has not changed, not a bit. There is not a single evidence for it. Whishful thinking about a future raid boss.

I haven't talked with you before but you sound like an absolute asshole. Why are you being so toxic?

[Syegfryed]

we have 2 depressing possibilities:

1. the blizzard writing team have made sylvanas literally use a neo nazi slogan and are shaking their heads in disbelief that there are wow players who will still defend her. what more can it possibly take to make their point?

2. the blizzard writing team have made sylvanas literally use a neo nazi slogan by accident, unaware of the significance of the line they made her say, because it sounds cool and badass and warlike

either way says a lot about the current state of wow

it is neo nazi slogan? lol

btw i think its the second, blizzard love put those effect phases, with a one line punch line to be edgy, Illidan did this all Legion

[klaps_05]

As long as the center of attention is what Sylvanas and Anduin are doing, im fine with it as it gives you a bit of perspective as a player. So far Khadgar was constantly telling us to be neutral, alliance and horde should work together, blabla, but at least now there are some differences and we arent just the players vs villains, but alliance or horde, vs the villains.

[Darktbs]

why? she is not bind to the alliance, the alliance was not like the horde, you are not forced to obey your high king, there was not even high king in that time, if he rly wanted piece she would forbid his soldiers of theramore to attack the horde and forbid alliance forces to use that city as base

She goes against her own father but let this shit happens? i call hypocrite



Thrall tried to advocate for peace, in his position is impossible.

The thing is, the city was not neutral, it was an alliance city who attacked the horde, got what deserved

Daelin started the attack on the Horde on TFT, during WoW the Horde was pushing in both Ashenvale and agaisn't Theramore.

Or is the Alliance supposed to let the Horde conquer everything in order to obtain peace?

[Syegfryed]

Daelin started the attack on the Horde on TFT, during WoW the Horde was pushing in both Ashenvale and agaisn't Theramore.

Or is the Alliance supposed to conquer everything in order to obtain peace?

The horde was pushing in theramore because theramore attacked first

Jaina should give no single fucks about night elves and how they started the war by not letting the orcs hunt or get trees in ashenvale.

If she rly wanted peace she should make the example and not actively interfere in the war

[Rakoth]

Remember Camp Taurajo! FOR THE HORDE!

[Darktbs]

The horde was pushing in theramore because theramore attacked first

Jaina should give no single fucks about night elves and how they started the war by not letting the orcs hunt or get trees in ashenvale.

If she rly wanted peace she should make the example and not actively interfere in the war

And the alliance pushed because the Attack on Ashenvale.

So she shouldn't help her allys?When the Orcs started the whole thing?

Ashenvale belongs to the Night elfs, like it or not, it falls to them if they want to let Orcs hunt or cut trees there.

[Syegfryed]

And the alliance pushed because the Attack on Ashenvale.

So she shouldn't help her allys?When the Orcs started the whole thing?

Ashenvale belongs to the Night elfs, like it or not, it falls to them if they want to let Orcs hunt or cut trees there.

Thrall was supposed to be her ally BEFORE night elves, if she want peace she should not choice enter the war, simple as that

the orcs didn't start nothing, the elves refuse to trade after the wrathgate, Garrosh would not let his people die just because the selfish elves

[Darktbs]

Thrall was supposed to be her ally BEFORE night elves, if she want peace she should not choice enter the war, simple as that

lol why?

Just because they both fought in Hyjal?Daily reminder that the Night elfs are part of the Alliance just like Jaina.

Tell me, why should she side with the Horde instead of the Alliance when the Horde is the agressor in this situation?

the orcs didn't start nothing, the elves refuse to trade after the wrathgate, Garrosh would not let his people die just because the selfish elves

They had the option to search somewhere else, they choose to war.

They started it.

[Steampunkette]

And


10 chars

It's a thing!

Though worth noting: Sylvanas isn't trying to resurrect the world's foremost paladins, green dragons, and druids. People who go to awesome wonderful afterlives, apparently. She's rezzing humans and elves as undead. And barring divine intervention (Like Odyn with an Alliance Warrior in the Order Hall Questline) you're going to the Shadowlands.

Yeah. Not "EVERYONE" goes to the Shadowlands. Just all the common folk, apparently. Like Uuna, who didn't live long enough for a Naaru to go "Oh, yeah. I'll take her spirit to my personal afterlife because she was pretty cool in life!"

Enough humans and dwarves and gnomes and tauren and orcs and draenei and everyone else that if it's not the Overwhelming Majority I'd be surprised.

Even our Player Characters, Champions of Azeroth and the Light in many cases, hit the Shadowlands when we hit 0 HP. Which is a thing that happens in canon, apparently, since it's explicitly called out in the DH storyline by Illidan.

[Syegfryed]

lol why?

Just because they both fought in Hyjal?Daily reminder that the Night elfs are part of the Alliance just like Jaina.

Tell me, why should she side with the Horde instead of the Alliance when the Horde is the agressor in this situation?

because first, the horde was not the agressor

second becaue she want peace, thus she should not join in the faction conflicts,

She let her own daddy die to not enter in the war back there, because she want peace, and now she just kick the bucket to aid and send tropes for the alliance attack the horde in durotan and in the barrens "because im alliance now :P"

This is mental deficiency or hypocrisy at beast.

They had the option to search somewhere else, they choose to war.

They started it.

they had the option to die, or not

The elves had a option to trade or let the orcs fuck themselves, in the end, they got fucked

[frogger237]

It's a thing!

Though worth noting: Sylvanas isn't trying to resurrect the world's foremost paladins, green dragons, and druids. People who go to awesome wonderful afterlives, apparently. She's rezzing humans and elves as undead. And barring divine intervention (Like Odyn with an Alliance Warrior in the Order Hall Questline) you're going to the Shadowlands.

Yeah. Not "EVERYONE" goes to the Shadowlands. Just all the common folk, apparently. Like Uuna, who didn't live long enough for a Naaru to go "Oh, yeah. I'll take her spirit to my personal afterlife because she was pretty cool in life!"

Enough humans and dwarves and gnomes and tauren and orcs and draenei and everyone else that if it's not the Overwhelming Majority I'd be surprised.

Even our Player Characters, Champions of Azeroth and the Light in many cases, hit the Shadowlands when we hit 0 HP. Which is a thing that happens in canon, apparently, since it's explicitly called out in the DH storyline by Illidan.

We dont know who all goes to the shadowlands. Also there are tons of ghosts running around that never get pulled into the shadowlands like Uuna. She might be different because she was fused into a ur'zul which is kinda like being turned undead. Or if could be because :

Uuna's story was inspired by the game Child of Light.

Also the player characters version of the Shadowlands is much different then the one Sylvanas and Uuna experienced.

[Darktbs]

because first, the horde was not the agressor

second becaue she want peace, thus she should not join in the faction conflicts,

When was this a requirement?None of the Neutral factions did anything to stop the AvH conflict, the neutral status was simply" I don't give a fuck".Even Taran Zhu only made Jaina and Lor'themar stop fighting because they had the Thunder King to deal with.

Neutral characters don't work for peace, they ignore the conflict.

She let her own daddy die to not enter in the war back there, because she want peace, and now she just kick the bucket to aid and send tropes for the alliance attack the horde in durotan and in the barrens "because im alliance now :P"

She sided with the Horde because her father started a unprovoked conflict.

The same can't be said about Garrosh's.

If she didn't want peace:Why would she give money to Baine to get Thunder bluff back?Why would she stop varian from Killing Thrall/Sylvanas or get killed in the process?

You confuse being in favor of peace with being a Bitch.

You want Jaina to do nothing and let the Horde take whatever they want and kill whatever they want and be fine with it.
Thats not peace.

[Fewane]

Like Uuna, who didn't live long enough for a Naaru to go "Oh, yeah. I'll take her spirit to my personal afterlife because she was pretty cool in life!"

Sidetrack, but of course we don't know whether the Naaru actually help anyone to wonderful personal afterlives. For all we know, A'dal might have just eaten Crusader Brindenbrad's soul while yammering to the player about paradises. :P

[Steampunkette]

we have 2 depressing possibilities:

1. the blizzard writing team have made sylvanas literally use a neo nazi slogan and are shaking their heads in disbelief that there are wow players who will still defend her. what more can it possibly take to make their point?

2. the blizzard writing team have made sylvanas literally use a neo nazi slogan by accident, unaware of the significance of the line they made her say, because it sounds cool and badass and warlike

either way says a lot about the current state of wow

The answer is: Neither.

People are taking her words and explicitly paraphrasing them as a Nazi Slogan. Her actual words on the matter are no different from a thousand political speeches about kids and the wars we leave behind for them.

But because the Alliance fanbois want to frame her as the most evil of all evils forever and always: They made her sound like Hitler.

[Syegfryed]

Neutral characters don't work for peace, they ignore the conflict.

exactly, and she didn't ignore, she take part on it

She sided with the Horde because her father started a unprovoked conflict.

she didn't side with the horde, she did what a true neutral person would do, she ignore the conflict and stand aside, thing she didn't in wow, she take part on it.

If she didn't want peace:Why would she give money to Baine to get Thunder bluff back?Why would she stop varian from Killing Thrall/Sylvanas or get killed in the process?

maybe he is mentally instable? hypocrite? sometimes she fight for peace then sometimes she make a blind eye and help your allies to kill the supposed guys you want peace?

You confuse being in favor of peace with being a Bitch.

not rly

You want Jaina to do nothing and let the Horde take whatever they want and kill whatever they want and be fine with it.
Thats not peace.

you are tripping, thats nothing to do, if you want peace between the factions you just don't incite conflict and make you own city and people attack the enemy faction, its simple logic, she bow down to Varyan and let him do the fuck he want with theramore, despite the fact she could forbidden.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The horde was pushing in theramore because theramore attacked first

Jaina should give no single fucks about night elves and how they started the war by not letting the orcs hunt or get trees in ashenvale.

If she rly wanted peace she should make the example and not actively interfere in the war

Wait so it’s the night elfs fault the orca were trying to steal there crap? Not to mention they had a trade deal which was ruined by the twilight hammer to the point that even carain though garrosh did it.

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Thrall was supposed to be her ally BEFORE night elves, if she want peace she should not choice enter the war, simple as that

the orcs didn't start nothing, the elves refuse to trade after the wrathgate, Garrosh would not let his people die just because the selfish elves

Other then the fact that they were going to trade after the wrath gate.

How could garrosh not get all the resources he needed from northrend? He ships a ton of mammoth men over for his war but he couldn’t get some trees?