Dark Iron Shamans... hope blizzard changes their mind

[Linkedblade]

There is no need for Naaru, Troll Loa are granting Holy Powers since Vanilla.

And to an extension any race with a holy/light granting being can be a priest and a paladin. There's no reason why we don't have Night Elf Paladins, but here we are.

[Aliven]

Yes Aztecs had warrior-priests IRL. It makes sense for Zandalari to have them too.

Warrior-priest =/= paladin.

[Rukario]

Dude, another one of these stupid threads...the list isn't complete yet, unless you are dumb enough to think there won't be Dark Iron priests as well.

[Deleted]

Are you aware that you are trying to FORCE the idea of a PALADIN that is basically based upon a North European Knight devouted to GOD itself, equipped with Plate Armour riding a Palomino INTO the polytheistic culture of Maya/Aztec of sud america?

[Ramz]

Warrior-priest =/= paladin.

Turalyin, Uther , Lady Liadin, Yrel and Delas Moonfang would have a word with you.

[Ielenia]

And this is just the plain proof that we need a customization because we cant mix light with sun with loa on a class that have still the vanilla theme of human.

"Customization". Why? So we can have classes that do exactly the same but only differ in the name of the abilities? As in, paladin and prelate, priest and seer, mage and wizard, shaman and elementalist, warrior and blademaster, etc?

Tauren Priest are "Seer" and it has been explained that NELF followed the Moon path while Tauren Seer/Sunwalker followed the Sun path.

Racial lore flavor. What's the problem?

Loa are wild gods like Malorne or any wild gods for NELF, still there isnt the "wild god of light" so a Paladin Zandalari can't exist in the same scenario as for Draenei/Human/Dwarf/BELF

Why not? Why can't there be one in Zandalar that the Zandalari worship?

A Zandalari with LOA is a fucking mess if you don't use this moment to introduce a better customization of some classes.

It's not really much more of a "mess" than troll druids through the loa.

[Thage]

Dark Iron culture revolves around the Firelord, Ragnaros, so it's not too much of a stretch for there to have been shaman among those who remained in Blackrock Mountain.

[Deleted]

Sure, that's the reason. If you disregard Freethinkers that have been established since vanilla which was also the armor Paladins could get by questing in Zul'Gurub.
An armor that helped with casting Holy Light and Blessings

"Established since vanilla"


NOT A SINGLE FREETHINKER NPC IN GAME that talk to you outside ZG in vanilla or teach you the paladin way/skill.


Just a quest text.


How?

[Deleted]

Warrior-priest =/= paladin.

Thats pretty much how paladins started.

Also its !=

[Ramz]

Are you aware that you are trying to FORCE the idea of a PALADIN that is basically based upon a North European Knight devouted to GOD itself, equipped with Plate Armour riding a Palomino INTO the polytheistic culture of Maya/Aztec of sud america?

That depiction is in your head only. ever since TBC paladin lore expanded. The very first paladins in existace were Draenei. Knights of the Silver hand are not old within WoW history, they have like how many years of traction? 30? 40?

And you're also ignoring what Blizzard themselves said regarding users of Holy/Light magic.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

If a Goblin can be a shaman any class can be a shaman.

[valky94]

Idc you have been proven wrong, stay at your place.



And this is just the plain proof that we need a customization because we cant mix light with sun with loa on a class that have still the vanilla theme of human.


Tauren Priest are "Seer" and it has been explained that NELF followed the Moon path while Tauren Seer/Sunwalker followed the Sun path.


Loa are wild gods like Malorne or any wild gods for NELF, still there isnt the "wild god of light" so a Paladin Zandalari can't exist in the same scenario as for Draenei/Human/Dwarf/BELF

Sunwalker are just shuffling Light for Sun, and it is pretty "meh" as retcon.


A Zandalari with LOA is a fucking mess if you don't use this moment to introduce a better customization of some classes.

thats wrong, a Loa is anything that trolls worship, wild gods, spirits, ascended trolls like Zanza and Bwonsamdi, they could have easily implemented a Loa that channels the power of the light and tought the zandalari how to do it, just like the wild gods loas tought them druidism

[Ramz]

1. The fact that blizzard used holy magic instead of another doesn't really prove anything, dont think they would make up another school of magic just for fit it.

Also Holy doesnt mean LIGHT 100% but just Sacred Magic.

2. We already explained the difference between Prelate and Paladin, and why is better to make Prelate the "skin" for Zandalari "Paladin" rather than fuck up even more the lore.


The fact that there are NELF SENTINEL and we can't play doesn't mean that they are forced to introduce them.



I get you guys are hyped for a Zandalari Prelate "paladin" i would like the idea but not like this, not like the Sunwalker Tauren or Goblin Shaman that are forced to fit in a stupid retcon.

No Blizzard themselves Stated that Light is mere a source of power, just like Void, just like Arcane. LOAS are troll deities they channel whatever acces of power they posses for their chosen ones. If anything you're the one that is ignoring what Blizzard themselves stated in Q&A and in Chronicles.

And Sacred.. where did you get that from?

Paladins just because they use Holy light doesn't make them noble. Sacrlet crusade anyone? Turalyon using light to torture and kill orcs? Blood knights?!

Zandalari in comparision aren't as bloodthirsty.

[Deleted]

Well, I'd guess Taunka/Dark Shaman style would suit the dark iron dwarves really well.

[Santti]

Warrior-priest =/= paladin.

That's... pretty much exactly what paladins are.

Knights of the Silver Hand? Knights trained to wield The Light and Priests that were trained in martial combat. They became the paladins.

[Deleted]

"Customization". Why? So we can have classes that do exactly the same but only differ in the name of the abilities? As in, paladin and prelate, priest and seer, mage and wizard, shaman and elementalist, warrior and blademaster, etc?

Yes.

You will have the same class but "reworked" to fit better the race/lore.


You can have the same template of a Human Paladin of Stormwind into a Zandalari Prelate, the base may be the same, im fine, but then one goes into another direction.
We need to make that visible in game.

Like a LoL/Dota/Hots SKIN, gameplay 0 change but in the end the feels will be different.

Why not? Why can't there be one in Zandalar that the Zandalari worship?

Lore? We arent facing Trolls for the first time, we encountered pretty much all the tribe and nobody had a Light Loa, some have the same loa, you can retcon it in BfA but then Chronicles will be no more the actual lore source.

It's not really much more of a "mess" than troll druids through the loa.

Loa = Wild Gods hence NELF Druid and Zandalari/Darkspear Troll are fine.

[Ramz]

thats wrong, a Loa is anything that trolls worship, wild gods, spirits, ascended trolls like Zanza and Bwonsamdi, they could have easily implemented a Loa that channels the power of the light and tought the zandalari how to do it, just like the wild gods loas tought them druidism

Wild gods can grant Holy powers too, among troll Loa there are already 2 confirmed examples, that is Rezan and Shadra.

Pandaren Celestials can also give holy powers, this is why we have pandaren priests.

[Deleted]

That's... pretty much exactly what paladins are.

Knights of the Silver Hand? Knights trained to wield The Light and Priests that were trained in martial combat. They became the paladins.

Absolutely not.

Paladin mix Warrior and Clerics analogy not Priest, a Cleric is a man of light, a Priest can worship Light and Shadow.


Infact the Silver Hand were Clerics tbh

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Wild gods can grant Holy powers too, among troll Loa there are already 2 confirmed examples, that is Rezan and Shadra.

Pandaren Celestials can also give holy powers, this is why we have pandaren priests.

Shandra the VENOM QUEEN SPIDER grants HOLY POWER?

[Maljinwo]

Are you aware that you are trying to FORCE the idea of a PALADIN that is basically based upon a North European Knight devouted to GOD itself, equipped with Plate Armour riding a Palomino INTO the polytheistic culture of Maya/Aztec of sud america?

I wasn't aware that the European Knights were able to channel the powers of god to heal their allies or smite their enemies with Holy magic.


I'll make sure to tell the Tauren that they aren't allowed to play paladins anymore because their culture is based on North American natives-

[Santti]

Absolutely not.

Paladin mix Warrior and Clerics analogy not Priest, a Cleric is a man of light, a Priest can worship Light and Shadow.


Infact the Silver Hand were Clerics tbh

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Knights_of_the_Silver_Hand

"The Holy Order of Northshire Clerics was devastated during the First War. Seeking to create an order that would suffer less attrition in battle, the Archbishop of the Church of the Holy Light, Alonsus Faol, along with his apprentice Uther, recruited noble knights (to train in the ways of the Light) and members of the priesthood (to train in martial combat). In Alonsus Chapel in Stratholme, Uther was appointed the first of the paladins. He was followed by Saidan Dathrohan, Tirion Fordring and Turalyon (candidates recommended by Alonsus Faol himself)[7] as well as Gavinrad (a candidate proposed by Lord Anduin Lothar.)[8] The Order of the Silver Hand was thus born."

While yes, it might have been mostly clerics, but priesthood is also mentioned. It might mean that "clerics" are a smaller part of "priesthood", but who knows. Rest of my point still stands. It was both knights and priests/clerics that became paladins.