Should the Horde be split up?

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In the upcoming expansion there'll obviously be a lot of tension between Saurfang and Sylvanas. If for some reason the devs split the Horde into these two factions, would you support it?

Saurfang's Horde

Orcs - Tauren - Trolls - Goblins - Pandas

Sylvanas' Horde

Forsaken - Blood Elves - Nightborne - Pandas

[Techno-Druid]

Pandaren really belong more with the orcs, trolls and tauren imo. Or they should at least be able to choose a faction.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Yes, the game needs 3-4 factions (along with a neutral set of races), but that would require a complete revamp to the game, and to be frank, it's unlikely to happen (the Night Elves should be on their own faction; their should be the traditional members of the Alliance and Horde; and the races of the northern parts of the EK should be on their own faction). Outside of that, there needs to be more neutral races, i.e. the Blood Elves should be neutral.

[Daniri]

No. The Horde is at its best when it's united, united. It would certainly be easier to maintain that unity to split apart, to cast out those who "don't belong", but that just doesn't sit right with me. Oaths were taken, pledges were made...and despite how cheesily it was delivered, I do believe in that "Horde is family" idea. Every effort should be taken to come together, and stay together. It would be a failure if we don't.

[Deleted]

There is no Saurfang Horde, the dude is 100 years old.

[Deleted]

Honestly "Internal Conflict and Tension: The Expansion" would be incredible.

The Alliance especially needs this.

It's an Alliance, not an empire. The races within should be like nations in the real world, sometimes banding together to put sanctions on Russia but more often disagreeing and bickering.

It would fit the pattern pretty well too, first we have a class focused expansion, then a faction focused expansion and then a race focused expansion. Let's see some leaders disagree, scheme and backstab eachother.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Honestly Internal Conflict and Tension: The Expansion would be incredible.

The Alliance especially needs this.

It's an Alliance, not an empire. The races within should be like nations in the real world, sometimes banding together to put sanctions on Russia but more often disagreeing and bickering.

What does the alliance really have to disagree on though?

[Deleted]

What does the alliance really have to disagree on though?

Nothing lol

But it would be neat, wouldn't it?

Edit: Come to think of it there is some things they perhaps couldn't see eye to eye with. Strategy for instance, say the dwarves want to march through a valley to save time, but the elves fear an ambush, a decision is made to march through the valleys anyway, and their troops are ambushed and decimated.

The elves would lash out against the dwarves, but investigation reveals that the ambush was carried out by mercenaries hired by Gilnean nobles to solidify their position in the Alliance as they now have the highest troop count.

Just an idea on how to create tension, although races like pandaren and draenei are way above deceit in my mind.

[Shibito]

Split the alliance up aswell humans and the rest, as it pretty much is allready with the humans and friends

[Highwhale]

WoW need more that 2 factions since Vanilla. In my head how it should have been made:

1 - Humans Dwarves High Elves - Classic Alliance

2 - Orcs Ogres Trolls - Classic Horde

3 - Night Elves Draenei Taurens - Peacekeepers and True Neutrals

4 - Forsaken Worgen Fel/Void Addicted Elves - Cursed and Outcast Faction/Unease and Forced Union

First and Second fighting each others but 4th is common enemy. Third is neural to all. Fourth hates everyone.

Imagine Sylvanas and Genn hating each others but fighting alongside.

- You kill stealing bitch!

- Shut up old dog.

[Karamaru]

Honestly "Internal Conflict and Tension: The Expansion" would be incredible.

The Alliance especially needs this.

It's an Alliance, not an empire. The races within should be like nations in the real world, sometimes banding together to put sanctions on Russia but more often disagreeing and bickering.

It would fit the pattern pretty well too, first we have a class focused expansion, then a faction focused expansion and then a race focused expansion. Let's see some leaders disagree, scheme and backstab eachother.

Yeah the Alliance is highly overdue some internal conflict give em something to fight over.

[united]

Pandaren really belong more with the orcs, trolls and tauren imo. Or they should at least be able to choose a faction.

On second thought, that makes more sense. Edited.

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No. The Horde is at its best when it's united, united. It would certainly be easier to maintain that unity to split apart, to cast out those who "don't belong", but that just doesn't sit right with me. Oaths were taken, pledges were made...and despite how cheesily it was delivered, I do believe in that "Horde is family" idea. Every effort should be taken to come together, and stay together. It would be a failure if we don't.

I completely agree

[Deleted]

Yeah the Alliance is highly overdue some internal conflict give em something to fight over.

Right? And shed some light on logistics and supplylines, humans/orcs have been throwing themselves at Outland, Northrend the Horde/Alliance but still there's enough to make them outnumber their allies on the battlefield.

At any rate agreement is boring in a fictional setting and impossible in any realistic scenario.

The night elves cannot pledge troops to siege Lordaeron if they're scattered and fighting their own war in their own lands.

But it WoW they can and they will.

[Panquake]

Yes, no more Elves or rotting Humans in the Horde please.

[Alex86el]

100% Saurfang's Horde. The real Horde.

No need for those Horde-wannabe opportunistic Undead and Elves.

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WoW need more that 2 factions since Vanilla. In my head how it should have been made:

1 - Humans Dwarves High Elves - Classic Alliance

2 - Orcs Ogres Trolls - Classic Horde

3 - Night Elves Draenei Taurens - Peacekeepers and True Neutrals

4 - Forsaken Worgen Fel/Void Addicted Elves - Cursed and Outcast Faction/Unease and Forced Union

Couldnt agree more. But this cannot happen right now.
Not after all this lore has been written and/or retconned.

[Aeula]

So long as Sylvanas’ Horde keeps the Zandalari and Draenor Orcs, sure.

Could care less about Saurfang’s whimpy Orcs, cows and failspear trolls.

[FuxieDK]

In the upcoming expansion there'll obviously be a lot of tension between Saurfang and Sylvanas. If for some reason the devs split the Horde into these two factions, would you support it?

Saurfang's Horde

Orcs - Tauren - Trolls - Goblins - Pandas

Sylvanas' Horde

Forsaken - Blood Elves - Nightborne - Pandas

Just kick out the elves and it's fine..

[Highwhale]

Couldnt agree more. But this cannot happen right now.
Not after all this lore has been written and/or retconned.

We can hope W4 will retconn all this bullshit WoW made.

If you look at W3 and WoW you see WoW is degradation - W3 had 4 factions.

[Deleted]

Factions will never be split and the existing races will never leave or die because it would affect us players negatively. That's the biggest problem with having two factions, you can never really do anything with them. If the players had been neutral and been allowed to choose their own allegiance then Blizzard would have had far greater ability to really shake things up when it comes to allegiances and territory ownership.

This was super weird in SWTOR, I played a Bounty Hunter who repeatedly sated that she was neutral and only worked for whomever paid her, at least once threatened to work for the Republic, but I was never actually given the chance to do so, that would have been an amazing experience, but alas due to the faction system it was not meant to be.

[Syegfryed]

the game should have at least 3 factions from the start, but now its too late

and if they split, it would not be called "sylvanas horde" but forsaken/scourge like before.