Infowars one strike away from YouTube ban

[Orbitus]

hows that russia investigation going

Great, 13 Russian indictments, 4 guilty pleas, 1 indictment that will go to jail for the rest of his life. You say it is a conspiracy theory, but the evidence suggest you are ignorant.

[pathora44]

Oh no an admitted liar who knowingly spouts lies and conspiracy theories to brainless fools is being demonetized by a private company on their streaming service. Someone go raise Martin Luther King Jr. from the dead, this is the greatest civil misjustice since the Civil Rights Movement.

[Orbitus]

It's a monopoly. There are multiple video hosting sites that no one has heard of because Youtube dominates the market. So conservative content creators have to continually suck it up and have their videos randomly demonetized and subscribers randomly vanish. Same can be said of Twitter. Funny how monopolies always take on a communistic hard left bent when they lack competition.

Nice conspiracy you got going there. There is absolutely no evidence that conservatives are getting demonetized because they are conservative, same with Twitter. If you say stupid racist shit, you absolutely should be banned. And the fact that you listen to Paul Joseph Watson further proves that you are ignorant.

[Deleted]

Oh, I am all for corporate rights if it screws over reactionaries. LGBT themed channels have also been suffering due to this shit.

No, channels with adult material were restricted and quite right too unless you think that GLBT channels should have lesbians teaching children anal sex.

If this is such a big problem, why don't all of these persecuted conservatives ban together and build their own media platform?

OK I'll travel over to America with a pick axe,data centres and fibre optic cable and start laying it down. I'm sure there won't be any trouble doing that,will there? Or maybe there's a reason for internet monopolies?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...g-threat.shtml

[derpkitteh]

TV networks do pick and sensor ads. Fox News does not tend to run ads for democratic candidates, anything left/progressive, etc. MSNBC does the same for republican/conservative. Ads are definitely indicative of what the network supports. Ads are approved and sold by the production house for each show. For news networks, it is the entire network, for channels like Cartoon Network, it's handled by whoever produces the show. It's why you don't see Viagra commercials on children's shows, or gun commercials on liberal shows.

If a channel lets through a bad ad, you should absolutely blame them for doing so. I don't know why you'd separate the two.

Let's take a coke advert. If I am a conservative, and I see a coke ad right before a video saying how all conservatives are dumb, am I really going to want to buy a coke? Adverts work primarily through psychology and subliminal messaging. Rarely do they work directly. If you see an advert, and then see a video that makes you angry, then you are not going to want to buy a coke.

That's why advertisers have this power. Youtube makes all their money on adverts, and they do not want their customers leaving them because their ads are showing up on content they do not want. You and I? We are products. InfoWars? It is a product. We are not YouTube's customers, we are what they sell.

You are essentially saying that stores need to sell things that they do not want to. It's like making a vegetarian grocery store sell meat, or a hardware store sell produce.

i think anyone connecting a brand to another brand just because there's a commercial there is an idiot. it shows a fatal flaw in american society, that people are stupid and suggestible. sheep born to want to have their thoughts guided. it sickens and angers me.

i suppose that would be another of my initiatives if i were in charge, break this conditioning.

[Orbitus]

Censorship is always wrong. Alex Jones is nutjob, but free speech is free speech and a private company silencing dissenting opinions, no matter how ridiculous they are, is wrong.

Well, it's a good thing that the first amendment doesn't apply to private companies.

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God forbid we enable free speech.

Peddling racism and conspiracy theories aren't anything we should enable.

[God Save The King]

i think anyone connecting a brand to another brand just because there's a commercial there is an idiot. it shows a fatal flaw in american society, that people are stupid and suggestible. sheep born to want to have their thoughts guided. it sickens and angers me.

i suppose that would be another of my initiatives if i were in charge, break this conditioning.

.... You wouldn't connect two brands when one brand has the full authority and ability to hand pick which brands to show?

[Heladys]

It's a monopoly. There are multiple video hosting sites that no one has heard of because Youtube dominates the market

You infowars..... fans let's call you... have a serious problem with the notion that words have actual meanings separate from what you'd like them to mean, don't you?

Was it your inability to actually comprehend and use words properly that drew you to become a fan in the first place, or did your fandom grow in other ways?

Please, complain about free speech next. That's next on the hit-list of misunderstood concepts among your squad.

[Orbitus]

Should a Christian baker be forced to make a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

Yes, because they cater to the public, especially in the states that have passed laws saying that Gays are a protected class. If you have a business license that works with the public, you have to work with ALL of the public, not just parts you like.

[Elba]

No, channels with adult material were restricted and quite right too unless you think that GLBT channels should have lesbians teaching children anal sex.

Teenagers should know how anal sex works properly so they don't hurt themselves? Why are you against sex education?

[Brubear]

And what if the gay couple demands a giant pink phallus on top of it, with both men on top of the cake performing sex? This is way off topic, but I find this interesting. The left is happy to force religious people to perform services they disagree with but Youtube gets a free pass to discriminate because they are on your side.

If they would make that sort of cake for a straight couple, then yes. Otherwise, no they shouldn't be. Which was the reason why people protested the bakers and they were charged with discrimination. They didn't deny the cake because it was something they wouldn't do, which isn't discrimination, because if it's something they wouldn't do for any customer then they're not being discriminatory. But if they would normally make a cake decorated with a pink phallus and adorned with sex acts but refused to make it for a gay couple, then they are discriminating against that couple and refusing to do something they would normally do.

You cited a bunch of other Youtube videos, do those videos/channels have as large a following/viewership as InfoWars/are they as high profile? Because I'm willing to bet that they're not, which means that they likely haven't been reported/had as many complaints against them which is likely part of the reason they're still up there. Plus you're also overlooking some of the main reasons why InfoWars was flagged in the first place, which was that they were attacking specific individuals with baseless conspiracy theories and harassing them/riling up their user base to harass them.

I can find you plenty of conspiratoral videos and channels on YouTube from both conservatives and liberals that I would love to see removed or shutdown, but they haven't/won't because they either don't have a large enough profile to get enough flags/they don't attack people the same way InfoWars does.

Free speech doesn't protect you from people retaliating against you for being an asshole, just the government. They're not required to give you a soap box to stand on and yell things at others while standing on. If it's their soapbox then they have the legal right to take it away from you and force you to find your own soapbox.

[Elba]

Good luck with that. Rofl.

[derpkitteh]

Oh, I am all for corporate rights if it screws over reactionaries. LGBT themed channels have also been suffering due to this shit. that is of course discrimination of minorities and should be protested. (Not forced, though as you would).

I can actually agree with the "the rich shouldn't get much say in what is done with their money" in that we should tax the ever living shit out of companies and the rich to finance social security. But that is a different issue.

Politics is complicated and there is more than two positions, as seen with you, me and @Machismo.

i'm mostly joking with you on that, i get it lol.

i just want absolute freedom. i'm very much scared of the boogeyman of thought-policing and controlling. i fear it because i feel it is inevitable, and it'll be brought by people like you sadly. like, i get why you want some things censored, i 100% understand your ideas about it. like i said earlier, i know how bad it feels to be discriminated against. it hurts pretty badly, and i just have to leave the room when it happens.

but after you've put in place all of these things to stop it from happening, and everyone's in their happy little mindset of being progressive and unable to say hateful things, what happens when someone comes along willing to exploit that system for the opposite purposes?

both me and you are naive to believe that our ideas for our government are going to remain free of corruption. my fantasy of being a ruler and making everyone free, that requires putting into place a governmental system. what happens when i die? maybe the next ruler continues in my footsteps and protects everyone. maybe there's a hundred generations of people following in my footsteps. but it only takes one to turn my paradise into a nightmare. the same goes for yours.

both of our settings need a ruler that does not die, and that does not exist until A.I reaches a point where it is alive. but then that raises the question, do we ever want a robot to rule over mankind.

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.... You wouldn't connect two brands when one brand has the full authority and ability to hand pick which brands to show?

nope.

i've never given any commercial a thought.

when i'm watching 90's cartoons on teen nick at like 3am, i don't connect tampons to rocko's modern life. i will continue to never give it a thought.

[Orbitus]

Good luck with that. Rofl.

It is fun making fun of people that watch him and Jones on Youtube when they make stupid comments like you are seeing here.

[Endus]

Fine, but where is the consistency? I could jump onto Youtube right now and find over 100 videos all saying that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. I could probably find a 100 more saying the moon landing was fake. Why pick on Infowars?

Because there's a pretty clear difference between saying stuff like "what if the Earth is flat?" and going on a full-bore attack on children who just survived a school shooting, which is what Jones' most recent strike was for.

Also, Jones has a high viewership, which means he's far more likely to generate reports than some nut's videos with all of 32 views or something.

Youtube uses an algorithm to weed out videos it deems unacceptable. Funny how no one outside of Youtube knows the parameters of the algorithm but somehow it's biased against right wing creators. Does Youtube have legal right to censor conservatives? I guess so, but they should be required to advertise as such. "Come watch Youtube for all your progressive socialist needs!". Yeah, advertisers would love that.

There has been no evidence that any such algorithm is "biased against right wing creators". None. It's nothing more than a baseless persecution complex by dickheads, who get demonitized or banned for acting like dickheads, and can't grasp that the action was because they were being a dick, not because they have right wing views.

Same goes for posters here, for that matter.

This all started when left wing activists pointed out to advertisers that some videos with Nazi content featured their advertisements. So creators like Pewdiepie get hammered and Youtube veers hard left to compensate.

You're inserting partisan nonsense for no reason. It started when some people pointed out to advertisers that they were monetizing Nazi-type content. There's no left- or right-bias there. This is exactly your issue; you identify why they were targeted (Nazi content), and claim it was because they were right wing, which is nonsense. You have no basis for that.

[Brubear]

No, channels with adult material were restricted and quite right too unless you think that GLBT channels should have lesbians teaching children anal sex.



OK I'll travel over to America with a pick axe,data centres and fibre optic cable and start laying it down. I'm sure there won't be any trouble doing that,will there? Or maybe there's a reason for internet monopolies?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...g-threat.shtml

K. What does Comcast and ISP monopolies have to do with YouTube and media/social media platforms alleged monopoly? Plus, are you really going to try and tell me that Comcast is a corporation that would side/back liberals over conservatives? You can't tell me that they don't have the financial means, the political capital (again, House AND Senate), and numbers (I'm ALWAYS hearing about how many conservatives are fed up with being shutdown by liberals).

So again, what is stopping conservatives from flexing their free market muscles and building their own YouTube?

[Elba]

i just want absolute freedom.

Except for people who own companies. You're not pro their freedom.

i'm very much scared of the boogeyman of thought-policing and controlling.

Yeah, that is not healthy. Not being a dick here, I genuinely mean it, but have you considered seeing someone over paranoid disorder?

[Endus]

i'm mostly joking with you on that, i get it lol.

i just want absolute freedom. i'm very much scared of the boogeyman of thought-policing and controlling.

This is false. It's a lie you tell yourself. Your entire posting history in this thread has been an assault on freedoms, condemning freedoms, because people don't behave the way you would prefer. So you wish to have the power to force them to behave as you think they should.

That is not a position based on freedom, ideologically.

If Youtube were a guy having a house party, and they kicked a guy out of the party for punching people, you'd be here defending the puncher, and saying the party thrower should be forced to let everyone into that party. It's not a freedom-based view. It's you desiring the power to be a petty authoritarian.

[Torto]

You're confusing Youtube for being the US Government, which it is not. Youtube is a media platform owned by a corporation, key word: own. That means that they get to choose the rules that dictate what is allowed on their platform. If someone wants to post to Youtube's owned platform, but is denied for any reason, they are completely free to post to a different platform or simply create their own platform. That is how capitalism works.

You are stating that the actual US Government should force Youtube to post whatever anyone wishes without Youtube's approval, regardless of what Youtube's competitors do because you want Inforwars to be given preferential treatment over all other posters to Youtube that already follow Youtube's terms for the platform that they, themselves, own. Just so you know, that is considered stealing, since you are for the government literally threatening and taking Youtube's own platform away from them, denying them their own rights to both freedom of speech and recognition of their own product since now it would be a government enforced platform (which is communist, just fyi) solely because you feel that Infowars is a special snowflake that should be given extra preferencial treatment despite the fact that they do, in-fact, have the freedom that every true capitalist has of either using another platform, adapting to suit Youtube's platform, or simply creation their platform. That is capitalism, and if you want to start calling in the government to force a unified platform that is solely dictated by only the government, then that isn't capitalism anymore.

I just had a quick skim through Youtube's ToS and fair use, nowhere does it state that conservative content is restricted and yet it is. It does state disagreeable content, so there we go. Fuck knows what category Infowars falls under. That's fine, as you say Youtube is a private company that can do what it likes. But nowhere in it's community guidelines does it state that Youtube is for progressives only. We are Youtube customers, we have a right to know if Youtube is being political.

[Nihilist74]

I do not like Alex Jones, and i hate that there are so many stupid people that believe the stuff on his show its true, but with all the other stupid crap on youtube, doesn't seem right that they ban him or punish him for this. I guess youtube has to right to ban whatever they want. It is their website.