[TV] Star Wars Rebels

[Lahis]

They already killed Kanan. It's a kids show. I really doubt they will kill the main protagonist. They will find a way to "send him away," like they did in The Clone Wars for Ahsoka.

Speaking of Ahsoka, she is also back. They need a way to neutralize both of them, permanently.

[Lothaeryn]

Speaking of Ahsoka, she is also back. They need a way to neutralize both of them, permanently.

Simple, don't count them as Jedi? They kinda walk the gray path of the spectrum lately, and seeing that Kanan is dead, Ezra's training as a Jedi is officially done; since no other Jedi in this era could train him without being killed instantly for exposing themselves. I sense that they are going to be some sort of neutral wielder of the force, much like Bendu was.

[CR77]

Luke and Ezra are close to if not the same age, experience or not it would be awkward on both sides. Ezra to be training anyone and Luke taking lessons from someone his age. Not to mention Ezra would be hard pressed to keep secret about Vader.


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[Lahis]

Simple, don't count them as Jedi? They kinda walk the gray path of the spectrum lately, and seeing that Kanan is dead, Ezra's training as a Jedi is officially done; since no other Jedi in this era could train him without being killed instantly for exposing themselves. I sense that they are going to be some sort of neutral wielder of the force, much like Bendu was.

Call them whatever you want, Ezra and Ahsoka are force wielders affiliated with the Rebellion. Them not teaching Luke would be plain stupid for the rebels.

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Luke and Ezra are close to if not the same age, experience or not it would be awkward on both sides. Ezra to be training anyone and Luke taking lessons from someone his age. Not to mention Ezra would be hard pressed to keep secret about Vader.


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Also, a teacher doesn't need to be older, just more knowledgeable. And Ezra definetly knows more about the Force and Jedi way than Luke at this point. And I don't think Ahsoka has told him anything about Vader's former identity.

[Budong]

Luke and Ezra are close to if not the same age, experience or not it would be awkward on both sides. Ezra to be training anyone and Luke taking lessons from someone his age. Not to mention Ezra would be hard pressed to keep secret about Vader.


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Luke, Lea and Ezra were all born within two days of each other. Ezra born on Empire day and the twins were born two days later.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Simple, don't count them as Jedi? They kinda walk the gray path of the spectrum lately, and seeing that Kanan is dead, Ezra's training as a Jedi is officially done; since no other Jedi in this era could train him without being killed instantly for exposing themselves. I sense that they are going to be some sort of neutral wielder of the force, much like Bendu was.

there both more of jedi then luke ever was not counting them seems kinda wrong.

[Lothaeryn]

Call them whatever you want, Ezra and Ahsoka are force wielders affiliated with the Rebellion.

Who are not officially Jedi. Ashoka left the order before becoming a knight, her training as a Jedi ended as a padawan. With the death of Kanan, Ezra's training as a Jedi, also ended as a padawan. For Luke's training to be correct in the old training as a Jedi knight, someone who actually attained the rank of Knight or above would needed to have been involved in training him, and in the original trilogy, no one even knew he existed until he blew up the death star, and at that point Obi Wan had already started his training and he could be considered at the same level in knowledge as a padawan. One padawan (two in this case) training another padawan in the ways of a Jedi doesn't really advance one's understanding of the force by large margins as you are assuming it would have.

Ahsoka and Ezra never obtained the rank of Knight, their training as Jedi are too limited to have been any use to Luke by the time the rebellion even knew about him.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Who are not officially Jedi. Ashoka left the order before becoming a knight, her training as a Jedi ended as a padawan. With the death of Kanan, Ezra's training as a Jedi, also ended as a padawan. For Luke's training to be correct in the old training as a Jedi knight, someone who actually attained the rank of Knight or above would needed to have been involved in training him, and in the original trilogy, no one even knew he existed until he blew up the death star, and at that point Obi Wan had already started his training and he could be considered at the same level in knowledge as a padawan. One padawan (two in this case) training another padawan in the ways of a Jedi doesn't really advance one's understanding of the force by large margins as you are assuming it would have.

Ahsoka and Ezra never obtained the rank of Knight, their training as Jedi are too limited to have been any use to Luke by the time the rebellion even knew about him.

luke was never trained as a padawan or even a jedi, obiwan and yoda gave him the basics but he never learn how to be a real jedi. jedi is a religion and its one luke never got any real info on from obiwan or yoda. hes just a powerful force user no jedi.

[Lahis]

Who are not officially Jedi. Ashoka left the order before becoming a knight, her training as a Jedi ended as a padawan. With the death of Kanan, Ezra's training as a Jedi, also ended as a padawan. For Luke's training to be correct in the old training as a Jedi knight, someone who actually attained the rank of Knight or above would needed to have been involved in training him, and in the original trilogy, no one even knew he existed until he blew up the death star, and at that point Obi Wan had already started his training and he could be considered at the same level in knowledge as a padawan. One padawan (two in this case) training another padawan in the ways of a Jedi doesn't really advance one's understanding of the force by large margins as you are assuming it would have.

Ahsoka and Ezra never obtained the rank of Knight, their training as Jedi are too limited to have been any use to Luke by the time the rebellion even knew about him.

This is not about ranks in a defunct order, this is about knowledge in the Force. Ezra and especially Ahsoka know way more about the Force than Luke after his rudimentary training with Obi-Wan. Rebellion would be fools not to utilize them to teach Luke.

[ohwell]

This is not about ranks in a defunct order, this is about knowledge in the Force. Ezra and especially Ahsoka know way more about the Force than Luke after his rudimentary training with Obi-Wan. Rebellion would be fools not to utilize them to teach Luke.

Except one could argue that Ahsoka still really doesn't want to deal with teaching. I haven't seen all of the series, just parts that interested me, but did she ever try to train Ezra? If not then there's no reason she would go to train Luke. Much less there was never really time to do so considering the Empire was hunting them. The only reason he went to Yoda was that Obi Wan told him to do so. Once he found Yoda, why would he go to someone lesser?

[Lothaeryn]

luke was never trained as a padawan or even a jedi, obiwan and yoda gave him the basics but he never learn how to be a real jedi. jedi is a religion and its one luke never got any real info on from obiwan or yoda. hes just a powerful force user no jedi.

I never said Luke's training was proper, but by the end of A New Hope he already had the basics down, there isn't much left to teach unless a Master seeks to improve your training further. Which, lets be honest, Yoda never really did because Luke left to save his friends almost as soon as he got to Dagobah.

But ultimately, he had the most knowledge out of anyone not officially ordained a Jedi by the old masters by ROTJ, we dont know what knowledge Ashoka and Ezra will have obtained by that time (or if they are even alive by then). So since Luke was the last student of the Old Jedi order, he became its only living master; even if he did not obtain it in the official sense, and just by it defaulting to him.

[Lahis]

Except one could argue that Ahsoka still really doesn't want to deal with teaching. I haven't seen all of the series, just parts that interested me, but did she ever try to train Ezra? If not then there's no reason she would go to train Luke. Much less there was never really time to do so considering the Empire was hunting them. The only reason he went to Yoda was that Obi Wan told him to do so. Once he found Yoda, why would he go to someone lesser?

After Yoda sure, but what about the three years between Battle of Yavin and Battle of Hoth? Luke had no trainign durign that time. Having Ezra or Ahsoka teach him would be better than nothing.

[ohwell]

After Yoda sure, but what about the three years between Battle of Yavin and Battle of Hoth? Luke had no trainign durign that time. Having Ezra or Ahsoka teach him would be better than nothing.

They were on the run the entire time and hiding. Why risk the time and effort at that point because some rebel wanted it? The only reason Luke went off to Yoda was Obi Wan told him to do so. You do realize all the rebels aren't just sitting at one single base after Yavin right?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I never said Luke's training was proper, but by the end of A New Hope he already had the basics down, there isn't much left to teach unless a Master seeks to improve your training further. Which, lets be honest, Yoda never really did because Luke left to save his friends almost as soon as he got to Dagobah.

But ultimately, he had the most knowledge out of anyone not officially ordained a Jedi by the old masters by ROTJ, we dont know what knowledge Ashoka and Ezra will have obtained by that time (or if they are even alive by then). So since Luke was the last student of the Old Jedi order, he became its only living master; even if he did not obtain it in the official sense, and just by it defaulting to him.

being a master of something really doesn't work that way. hes only a jedi because theirs no one to tell him other wise but compared to literally any one else hes not even close to a jedi. he has combat training and force training use but both ezra and ahsoka are more jedi then luke ever was.

[Lothaeryn]

being a master of something really doesn't work that way. hes only a jedi because theirs no one to tell him other wise but compared to literally any one else hes not even close to a jedi. he has combat training and force training use but both ezra and ahsoka are more jedi then luke ever was.

So we agree then that since no one else wanted to continue their training as a Jedi, Luke is the only one who calls himself that and no one contended it after ROTJ?

Whether or not Luke really is a Jedi really wasn't up for debate, just that without anyone else to train him, no one could tell him otherwise; and Ashoka and Ezra are out of the picture until further evidence places them elsewhere, and at this rate both of them don't seem inclined to continue on as Jedi in training.

Luke would need someone to compare himself to in order to really test his worthiness as a Jedi, which never happened. Ashoka doesn't show any inclination she cares to even be one anymore after what happened to her at the end of Clone Wars, Ezra has no one to teach him either, so he either will follow suit with Ashoka, or he is going to find his own path, but never be a Jedi in any regard.

And in either case, Luke's knowledge of Jedi history is about on par if not higher than what we have seen of Ashoka and Ezra by the time of ROTJ, so trying to train him further in the path would be pointless. Combat techniques are the only thing Luke really sucked at and at this point I doubt Ashoka and Ezra would go out of their way to just train him on that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So we agree then that since no one else wanted to continue their training as a Jedi, Luke is the only one who calls himself that and no one contended it after ROTJ?

Whether or not Luke really is a Jedi really wasn't up for debate, just that without anyone else to train him, no one could tell him otherwise; and Ashoka and Ezra are out of the picture until further evidence places them elsewhere, and at this rate both of them don't seem inclined to continue on as Jedi in training.

Luke would need someone to compare himself to in order to really test his worthiness as a Jedi, which never happened. Ashoka doesn't show any inclination she cares to even be one anymore after what happened to her at the end of Clone Wars, Ezra has no one to teach him either, so he either will follow suit with Ashoka, or he is going to find his own path, but never be a Jedi in any regard.

And in either case, Luke's knowledge of Jedi history is about on par if not higher than what we have seen of Ashoka and Ezra by the time of ROTJ, so trying to train him further in the path would be pointless. Combat techniques are the only thing Luke really sucked at and at this point I doubt Ashoka and Ezra would go out of their way to just train him on that.

Why do you think luke knew as much if not more then Ezra or Ashoka about Jedi history? Ashoka was trained when they had a real Jedi order and had assess to all of there records. Ezra had multiple spirit visions with what’s his name and now even time traveled. Luke was taught nothing other then feelings are bad (which he didn’t listen to) and didn’t even read the Jedi text when he was on that island. Luke was in no way a Jedi other then in combat training even when he had endless free time he didn’t presue learning more about the Jedi.

[Lothaeryn]

Why do you think luke knew as much if not more then Ezra or Ashoka about Jedi history? Ashoka was trained when they had a real Jedi order and had assess to all of there records. Ezra had multiple spirit visions with what’s his name and now even time traveled. Luke was taught nothing other then feelings are bad (which he didn’t listen to) and didn’t even read the Jedi text when he was on that island. Luke was in no way a Jedi other then in combat training even when he had endless free time he didn’t presue learning more about the Jedi.

Ashoka was trained by Anakin, which means she was mostly trained in combat for the most part of her journey as a padawan, from what I remember of the Clone Wars, I dont recall a single time Ashoka was in the archives actually reading for her own musings unless she was doing investigations regarding something else. Which means while she had access to more knowledge of the three, she hasn't been shown to actually have learned or utilize that knowledge much at all since her exile.

Ezra was only trained by a partially trained Padawan who likely had less training than Ashoka did at the time of the Jedi purge, his training in the Force has been spotty at best, but Ezra has had some of the best hands-on training (as in, learning on the go without much time to stop and outright train like a normal padawan) out of the three we have seen so far. But his training is more about tactics, utilizing the connection to the force and harnessing that knowledge to guide his allies through danger. I doubt Ezra knows much about literal Jedi history because of this.

Luke, while practically being forced into this culture and having only glimpses of this knowledge post ANH, had some training and structure being guided by Yoda in Empire, it was very brief, but it was enough to instill what was needed for Luke to continue his training alone. After Empire, there was a set amount of months between Empire and ROTJ, that IIRC, canonically has Luke going to and fro from Yoda's hovel on multiple occasions for lessons while trying to find Han's whereabouts. He constructed his own Lightsaber without guidance, and eventually continued his training until Yoda died in ROTJ.

Once ROTJ ended, Luke went about trying to find more info on the Jedi order and their teachings. Unless a retcon I missed said otherwise, he used the knowledge he found to try and rebuild the Jedi order, only to have it be destroyed by Ben Solo as he fell to the dark side.

After that point, he refused to touch anything Jedi related. At the time of ANH, Luke knew fuckall; he knew basics, and Ashoka and Ezra both had more knowledge than he ever did. But post Empire and ROTJ, we know nothing of how far Ezra and Ashoka have come in the ways of old Jedi knowledge. Whether or not their connection to the Force is better than Lukes is another story entirely.

[Khain]

Liked the finale, didn't love it, stakes weren't that high and it ended up just being a setup for a new show.

[Warpaladin]

Liked the finale, didn't love it, stakes weren't that high and it ended up just being a setup for a new show.

Personally looking forward to what they got next

[fakaroonie]

can anyone post some spoilers please?