Why Durotar? A desert with almost nothing useful and why they didn't change it?

[cparle87]

Elements eagerly asked for shamans call to wipe out Goria.

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Druids will help to restore lands. But Durotar is just the way it is, natural.

There's actually a totally legit reason why the elements did that. Here's an excerpt on wowpedia from Chronicles V2.

"Hundreds of years later, 400 years before the opening of the Dark Portal, the ogres of the Gorian Empire decided to take the power of the elements by force after witnessing the might of a powerful shaman first-hand. The ogre leader, Imperator Molok, sent an army to drive away the orcs from the Throne of the Elements and begin experimenting on the power there. The ogres eagerly and carelessly dissected the Throne with their arcane spellwork, ignorant to the mix of raw titan and elemental power that lingered in Grond's remains. One day, the dissonance between the ogres' magic and Grond's residual energies ignited an explosion that blew apart the temple the orcs had carved from the giant's skull and killed every Gorian sorcerer inside the structure, leaving behind only a few standing stones that remain to this day. The incident threw the elements out of balance all across Draenor, causing great storms, but Molok simply sent more spellcasters to replace the ones that had been killed by the explosion.[3]

At the next year's orcish Kosh'harg festival, the Shadowmoon elder shaman Nelgarm pleaded for action, lest all of the clans suffer disastrous famines as a result of the elements' imbalance. The clans agreed to join together, and Nelgarm called upon the elements to bless them with their protection. The united orc army fell upon the Throne of the Elements. The Gorian sorcerers, utterly surprised by the attack, retreated with little bloodshed. However, Imperator Molok was quick to retaliate. The Gorian armies moved en masse, and total war engulfed Draenor, and now every orcish male, female and child had to be prepared to fight. The orcs gradually dismanteld the ogres' land-based trade networks and pushed them back to their capital, Goria, marking the beginning of a lengthy siege. After the ogres began spreading the deadly red pox among the orcs, Nelgarm and the other shaman were forced to beseech the elements to completely destroy Goria. Both parties understood that Molok would resume meddling with the Throne if the clans failed, and so Goria was ravaged by earthquakes and lightning storms over the course of hours before the earth itself wrenched open to swallow the remains of the city whole. The orcs, having suffered tremendous losses and being frightened by the elementals' wrath, went their separate ways and returned to their lands."

It's like you yourself said in your response to Magister of Quel'thalas. Alterac Valley is the way it is, natural. The elements won't like changing it without good reason.

[faithbane]

*Without explination* not like the orcs killed their demigod and started harvesting their home land for resources or something...

I see your fanboyism is in full force today. He is referring to the mission BEFORE that happened. When orcs stepped into the forest that was right next to their settlement to harvest some lumber for construction and out of nowhere got attacked by xenophobic crazy women without even as much as a hi.

p.s Dont even start with the they had a right to attack because cutting down trees are evil bullshit since that is exactly how every fucking race on azeroth harvest wood except for NEs.

[FelPlague]

I see your fanboyism is in full force today. He is referring to the mission BEFORE that happened. When orcs stepped into the forest that was right next to their settlement to harvest some lumber for construction and out of nowhere got attacked by xenophobic crazy women without even as much as a hi.

p.s Dont even start with the they had a right to attack because cutting down trees are evil bullshit since that is exactly how every fucking race on azeroth harvest wood except for NEs.

Actually night elves harvest lots of wood.
simply they do it in a way that will not harm the forest, dying or old trees, or spread out your cutting so that you arnt doing what the orcs did and completly eradicate a whole half a forest...

and moving onto random land and stealing resources is enoguh to get attacked by anyone.

[Zulkhan]

Actually night elves harvest lots of wood.
simply they do it in a way that will not harm the forest, dying or old trees, or spread out your cutting so that you arnt doing what the orcs did and completly eradicate a whole half a forest...

Night Elf's tree-hugging methods work only because they have Wisps doing all the building and repairing without the need of cutting a single tree. Other races have to do it the old way.

and moving onto random land and stealing resources is enoguh to get attacked by anyone.

No. If someone crosses over apparently untamed land with no visible sign of civilization, you warn and threaten at most. Outright attacking guarantees consequences.

[Combatbutler]

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No, they can't. Shamans and Druids either can't act or are not allowed to so drastically alter the natural environment to feet their people's needs, at least not when there's nothing unnatural about it (and there's indeed nothing unnatural to the way Durotar is).

Shamans don't because the elementals are against it, but druids on the other hand try it very often, just look at Desolace or Naralex's attempt to recreate the ancient forests in the barrens.

[Zulkhan]

Shamans don't because the elementals are against it, but druids on the other hand try it very often, just look at Desolace or Naralex's attempt to recreate the ancient forests in the barrens.

True but that usually occurrs through methods going beyond the druidic sphere, since mere druidism doesn't work like that. Needless to say, these attempts also tend to promptly backfire.

[Combatbutler]

True but that usually occurrs through methods going beyond the druidic sphere, since mere druidism doesn't work like that. Needless to say, these attempts also tend to promptly backfire.

True but druids are very reckless, very similar to ancient magi, meddling around with forces they believe they understand yet tend to screw up horribly.

[Zulkhan]

True but druids are very reckless, very similar to ancient magi, meddling around with forces they believe they understand yet tend to screw up horribly.

They are. That's why having deties intervene and force a few guidelines alongside the power they grant tend to avoid these kind of fuck ups. All Night Elves have though are Elune and the Ancients and none of them really seem to give a shit.

[Combatbutler]

They are. That's why having deties intervene and force a few guidelines alongside the power they grant tend to avoid these kind of fuck ups. However all Night Elves are Elune and the Ancients and none of them really seem to give a shit.

Depends on how biased the deity is to be honest, I for example don't see a single deity in the warcraft universe as trustworthy or reliable.

[Zulkhan]

Depends on how biased the deity is to be honest, I for example don't see a single deity in the warcraft universe as trustworthy or reliable.

When a mortal plays with powers he's not naturally intended to play with, any deity becomes more trustworthy than that (which is not much, admittedly).

[Castrum]

Because Thrall had to show the Allifags how badass the Horde was. No weak-kneed Humans living in some lush forest.

[LazarusLong]

Shamans don't because the elementals are against it, but druids on the other hand try it very often, just look at Desolace or Naralex's attempt to recreate the ancient forests in the barrens.

Desolace became this way after war of the ancients plus Theradras consumed life of plants. They are restoring the place.

[Combatbutler]

Desolace became this way after war of the ancients. They are restoring the place.

Just because something used to be something else, doesn't mean it is always a wise decision to meddle with things. They might try to restore something and cause massive damage in the process, since they barely know the consequences of their meddling. The prime example would be the creation of the emerald nightmare, due to the carelessness of druids.

[Zulkhan]

Desolace became this way after war of the ancients plus Theradras consumed life of plants. They are restoring the place.

Besides, in that instance at least they seem to quietly support a semi-natural effect rather than outright terraform the place. It's surely an approach that reduces the chances of screwing up.