Immigration: let's learn from Japan

[Macaquerie]

In a world where overpopulation is the biggest issue, I agree

Well, overpopulation is a potential problem if things keep going a certain way. The shrinking populations of the developed world still consume far more resources and contribute far more to environmental destruction than everyone else. If all of those billions of people living in the third world were ever to start living like us AND their populations continued to grow at the same rate that they are now, then shit would hit the fan. However, neither of those really seem to be an issue, because developing countries aren't going to reach Western living standards any time soon, and in all likelihood their birthrates will have dropped to manageable levels well before that.

[Tech614]

They don't have enough young people to support the older generation or prop up the work force. When ai and automation hits a low population isn't a bad thing but that's 50-100 maybe even 200 years off and we live in the now.

People in Japan work until they're like 70 or older anyways, and they don't work minimum wage shit jobs usually. They don't need the younger generation to support them.

The biggest issue in Japan right now is not the birth rates, or the older generation needing support. It's the younger generation IS NOT working and many still live with their parents at 30+ years old. The biggest issue with Japan is that there is no middle ground, there is the hard workers who work themselves to death and then there is people who don't work because they don't want to work themselves to death.

Literally nothing to do with their population.

[Deleted]

Well last time they did it, it did indeed lead to crime. That it was a swath of illegal exploitation of the actual foreign workers, is another story

[AeneasBK]

We have more people alive now more than ever. As you have more people alive, you need fewer births per person to maintain or increase the population.

Um? .

[Deleted]

Japan open to refugees, sureee. They're aren't even open to qualified gaijin workers that are actually in high demand.

[XDurionX]

Japan is famously xenophobic and their population is declining.

They're hardly the posterchild for viable immigration strategies.

Enough said. /thread.

[Deletedaccount1]

They are VERY open to welcome actual refugees.

So open that they let in a whopping 7 or 8 a year. The only immigrants Japan is fine with are wealthy expats/diplomats or Africans to work in seedy clubs and bars (at least in Tokyo). They are cracking down on the latter with the Olympics approaching.

[endersblade]

Yes, let us learn from Japan how to not be so xenophobic and isolationist we experience negative population growth.

I think a LOT of places around the world could afford a bit of negative population growth right now.

[Deleted]

Japan is famously xenophobic and their population is declining.

They're hardly the posterchild for viable immigration strategies.

Why is less population a bad thing? They have a population of like 130 million people, i think they will be ok without adding millions of economic migrants from shit hole countries.

Japan IS the poster child for viable immigration strategies. I envy their level headed politicians.

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Enough said. /thread.

NO! Not enough said. You're just parroting globalist propaganda. Japan has more than enough people for hundreds of years of decline.

[Deldavala]

Japan is already struggling with giving their minorities equal rights. A lot of people are hiding their ancestry since it will hinder them into getting better jobs. Burakumin for instance, they are decendants of people with "dirty" jobs(butchers, Leatherworkers and so forth) during the feudal era in Japan, they are still being discriminated against.

[Dezerte]

The baby boomers are retiring, leaving an unprecedented strain on social welfare systems. A system that a dwindling population and workforce is supposed to pay for. This problem is hardly unique to Japan, but Japan will most likely be hit harder by this than others due to various factors (lack of sustainable population being one).

[Elegiac]

Why is less population a bad thing?

Because market capitalism as an economic system is contingent on persistent economic growth, which means population growth.

So either you find a new economic system, or you do what's necessary to keep it functioning.

[Noomz]

Japan is famously xenophobic and their population is declining.

They're hardly the posterchild for viable immigration strategies.

Because they've got horrendous family policies and brutal work ethics. That's what they need to change, not immigration.

Technically open to refugees but take less than my home country even.

It may have to do with how very remote their country is and how incredibly different their culture is.

[Deldavala]

Because market capitalism as an economic system is contingent on persistent economic growth, which means population growth.

So either you find a new economic system, or you do what's necessary to keep it functioning.

Well, you dont need population growth to have economic growth, its just the easiest way to achieve it.

One of the biggest issues with immigration to Japan is the fact that they have a "Intergrate or get the hell out" attitude. Seing as the Japanese language is a big factor if you manage to intergrate or not, and the open xenophobia(especially against black people) it is hard to be accepted and become a part of society. All this can be solved if you are rich though.

[Elegiac]

Well, you dont need population growth to have economic growth, its just the easiest way to achieve it.

In Japan's case; yes, you do need population growth. There is an upper limit to how much can be consumed per capita.

[Deleted]

Japan is famously xenophobic and their population is declining.

They're hardly the posterchild for viable immigration strategies.

Japan's immigration policy is basically cherry-picking. Why wouldn't that be viable? Why should they be compelled to import people who would only be a burden both socially and economically? They have full right to decide what kind of people they need/want, and what they don't.

Plus the decline of Japan's population is more or less intentional. They have very limited space as it is.

However, there would be plenty of space in a country like... say... Russia. We could house all of Africa and Middle East in Russia many times over. Why aren't we doing so? Why should countries that are already cramped carry all the burden?

[Deldavala]

In Japan's case; yes, you do need population growth. There is an upper limit to how much can be consumed per capita.

If you build up a system that caters to the basic needs, the consumption of other goods will go up. This is ofc not in place in Japan at present day, but stating that market capitalism ONLY works with population growth is a basic lie.

[Fojos]

Japan is famously xenophobic and their population is declining.

They're hardly the posterchild for viable immigration strategies.

Still one of the safest places on earth. The police don't even have enough work. Then you have places like Sweden and Germany where the immigration costs far more than it benefits.

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They can't - robots don't pay taxes.

They can, not that hard.

[Deleted]

Freedom of movement inherently includes a right to emmigrate, and, thus, a right to immigrate.

Back in the feudal days, serfs were bound to their lord's lands and weren't allowed to move out, no matter what. Freedom of movement means that you are free to emigrate out your current country. It doesn't mean that you can just settle wherever the f*ck you want without asking for permission first. And it doesn't mean that you target country is obliged to give you that permission.

In short, you have the right to fuck off if you aren't happy somewhere. But you don't have the right to march into someone else's home uninvited.

In Japan's case; yes, you do need population growth. There is an upper limit to how much can be consumed per capita.

No excuse is too far-fetched when your first and foremost agenda is to fill all of the developed world with Islam, eh?

Let the Japanese decide how to handle their own economy.

[Macaquerie]

Plus the decline of Japan's population is more or less intentional. They have very limited space as it is.

No it isn't. Otherwise why would they be trying all sorts of wacky schemes to get people to stop fooling around with body pillows and actually start making babies (and failing)?

No excuse is too far-fetched when your first and foremost agenda is to fill all of the developed world with Islam, eh?

So you really think that people sit around all day plotting how to bring in as many Islamic immigrants as possible? Like, hmm, nice little country there, HERE HAVE SOME MUSLIMS MUHAHAHAH!