Anyone else find it weird that...

[huth]

Japanese mythology would like a word with you regarding foxes (and a lot of other types of animals as well).

Add non-living stuff to that. Pretty much everything older than 100 years can be alive in japanese mythology.

[Kralljin]

There is quite literally no way around it.

Yeah, if you're unwilling to accept that their neutral status plays a role there, i can't help you.

Pandaren are listed separetly to show how many people on each faction but the topic of discussion is how many play the Pandaren Race in total.
If anything you just explained one of the reasons as to why they are somewhat popular, but that still don't stop the fact that there is a interest in the Pandaren race.

Are you reading my post(s)?

It simply ignores the fact that Pandaren by itself have no faction restriction, which is not the case for any other race, this is simply a fundamental difference to any other race.
You can read the statistic the way you like, but important differences need to be taken into account if you want to analyze this stuff properly.

The Pandaren simply have an advantage over any other race within the game when it comes to these racial representation, which is why it is important to seperate between the two factions.

The bottom line is, both Alliance and Horde have Pandaren as the least represented race and this is the only fair comparison in this case as the same rules applies to all (compared) races.

Japanese mythology would like a word with you regarding foxes (and a lot of other types of animals as well).

Sure, let's compare the influence of European mythology (such as Greek and Norse) on Warcraft and the Japanese culture.

[Corroc]

"New race has no lore"... of course it doesn't. It's new. And i doubt they only went with that one phrase. But i'm not going to write an entire pitch here for no good reason.

You really shouldn't have to "pitch" anything. Most of the major things in wow already have established lore. That's what makes wow so great.

Also, first talking animal? Have you missed Gnolls(talking hyenas), Murlocs(talking fish), Tauren(talking bovines), Worgen(talking wolves), Pandaren(talking pandas), Hozen(talking monkeys) and probably a whole bunch of others i've since forgotten?

Did you intentionally miss the part where I said "directly looks like animal". Murlocs are now talking fish? Because alot of fish have hands and feet. I honestly dont even know what to say when you compare vulpera with no lore that exists to worgen or tauren. Sounds like you are just trying really hard to justify a new race. Hozen,Murlocs,Gnolls...whatever, dont even compare to something that is supposedly playable race in future. If you are really going to compare NPC's to playable race then you are really pushing it.

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Pandaren.

"Drunk kung fu pandas"

And yet here we are.

Yeah because that was totally original idea. Everyone knows pandaren was just fan service just like people are saying vulpera is going to be. Just for furries instead of asian.

[Nalorakk]

You really shouldn't have to "pitch" anything. Most of the major things in wow already have established lore. That's what makes wow so great.



Did you intentionally miss the part where I said "directly looks like animal". Murlocs are now talking fish? Because alot of fish have hands and feet. I honestly dont even know what to say when you compare vulpera with no lore that exists to worgen or tauren. Sounds like you are just trying really hard to justify a new race. Hozen,Murlocs,Gnolls...whatever, dont even compare to something that is supposedly playable race in future. If you are really going to compare NPC's to playable race then you are really pushing it.

Foxes don't stand up on their hind legs and augment their entire posture to talk.

Vulpera are to fennec foxes what tauren are to cows. Both have been stylised through the comic/goofy lens of WoW's artstyle and put into the game as anthropomorphised animals.

If you believe that there are inherent differences between the vulpera and tauren's aesthetic, other than the choice of animal inspiration then that's your own neurosis.

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Anyone else find it weird that a lot of the people complaining about vulpera being bait for people with furry fetishes are really the only ones sexualizing them?

Lol. Don’t try and push your own insecurities on anyone else.

People complaining about Vulpera being furry creepo bait have very valid concerns, and you trying to switch it up by calling them the sexual deviants is honestly disgusting, despicable, but also a little amusing.

[maccajoe]

Anyone else find it weird that a lot of the people complaining about vulpera being bait for people with furry fetishes are really the only ones sexualizing them?

Like seriously, it's kind of creepy. Can't I desire to play a vulture-riding lombax-fox gypsy-bedouin without people getting triggered because there's a miniscule group of people that find attraction in anthropomorphic animals that I am not responsible for?

It really isnt an issue these people must not be aware of the rule 32 porn that exists about WoW and has existed for a long time.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Yeah because that was totally original idea. Everyone knows pandaren was just fan service just like people are saying vulpera is going to be. Just for furries instead of asian.

Ah yes, the expansion which managed to hold over 5 million players through 14 months of content drought and which is now remembered as one of the greats, was just "fan service to Asians"...

Sorry, but the devs probably don't think in quite so shallow ways. You people complain that they're showing artistic freedom and coming up with NEW things, simply based on the fact that the new things don't pander directly to your snowflake status.

Meanwhile, how many threads and posts have there been about how the game reuses old lore and characters ad nauseum "coz the devs are out of ideas"...? I've seen quite a lot of them in my days.

There's no need for players to "justify" Vulpera as a new race, that will happen officially as of BfA and The Horde's Vol'dun experience. Arbitrary rules on what "fits" the game and "belongs" in the universe set by randoms with an opinion, are useless.

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Lol. Don’t try and push your own insecurities on anyone else.

People complaining about Vulpera being furry creepo bait have very valid concerns, and you trying to switch it up by calling them the sexual deviants is honestly disgusting, despicable, but also a little amusing.

The people seeing Vulpera as furry creepo bait, must be seeing things that others do not, and also seem to believe that Furry translates into something sexual.

It's perfectly valid to suspect that the people having such concerns might in fact be the closet YIFF "creepos" in this context.

And quite frankly, there's like 7 races with far more sexualized females than the Pandaren, Worgen, Tauren and Vulpera could ever have. Go be faux outraged at every male player choosing one of those as their avatar instead if you're so concerned with "creepo's"... I suspect most of the rabid anti-Furry peeps on these forums, have at least one non-Furry female character in a slutmog already.

[Azelas]

Anyone else find it weird that a lot of the people complaining about vulpera being bait for people with furry fetishes are really the only ones sexualizing them?

Like seriously, it's kind of creepy. Can't I desire to play a vulture-riding lombax-fox gypsy-bedouin without people getting triggered because there's a miniscule group of people that find attraction in anthropomorphic animals that I am not responsible for?

pretty much yes. The people who scream out about Vulpera and furries are the ones who see a Vulpera and instantly a sex image comes to their mind. The rest of us see a Vulpera, think to ourselves "cute" or "yuck" or "meh" and keep on with our lives.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Foxes don't stand up on their hind legs and augment their entire posture to talk.

Vulpera are to fennec foxes what tauren are to cows. Both have been stylised through the comic/goofy lens of WoW's artstyle and put into the game as anthropomorphised animals.

If you believe that there are inherent differences between the vulpera and tauren's aesthetic, other than the choice of animal inspiration then that's your own neurosis.

Well put.

It's amazing to which lengths these people will go in order to justify one furry race over the other.
"A bull is a more badass creature than a fennec fox!!"... The Scorpion being hunted by the fox, might beg to differ.

On another note, still hoping that someone will put together a "Team Playable Vulpera!"-sig... Perhaps with a Vulpera Warrior wielding the Black Hand and wearing Blackrock Foundry Mythic Warrior pieces?

[Corroc]

Foxes don't stand up on their hind legs and augment their entire posture to talk.

Vulpera are to fennec foxes what tauren are to cows. Both have been stylised through the comic/goofy lens of WoW's artstyle and put into the game as anthropomorphised animals.

If you believe that there are inherent differences between the vulpera and tauren's aesthetic, other than the choice of animal inspiration then that's your own neurosis.

Except I haven't been arguing only about the looks. Its the combination of race without no existing lore and the looks at are simply nothing more than fan service.

[Nalorakk]

Well put.

It's amazing to which lengths these people will go in order to justify one furry race over the other.
"A bull is a more badass creature than a fennec fox!!"... The Scorpion being hunted by the fox, might beg to differ.

Everyone has their own neurotic ticks, for example I hate elves

[huth]

You really shouldn't have to "pitch" anything. Most of the major things in wow already have established lore. That's what makes wow so great.

Of course you have to pitch it. You yourself asked how they could have pitched it to their higher ups without sexualising it.

And the rest is just complete nonsense. None of the things in WoW had established lore before said lore was established, mostly because that wouldn't make any sense. Everything was new at some point. MoP featured almost exclusively stuff with no prior lore for the first few tiers.

[Kathranis]

Sure, let's compare the influence of European mythology (such as Greek and Norse) on Warcraft and the Japanese culture.

Not that the vulpera have any evident Japanese influences, nor that it even matters, really.

Warcraft isn't and has never been strictly European fantasy. You can quite clearly see cultural influences drawn from the Americas and Asia in several of the races, going back to the series roots.

Orcs: Mongolian culture was a very strong influence from the start, seen in their nomadic lifestyle, their architecture and armor, as well as the Mongol Horde being the obvious inspiration behind the Horde itself. Beginning with Warcraft III a strong Japanese influence was also incorporated, likely stemming from the developer's love of Samurai Shodown II, and thus we were introduced to the blademasters of the Burning Blade, who wield oversized katanas and wear samurai-style armor, sashimono banners, wooden rosaries, and so forth. Of course all layered on top of the Warhammer interpretation of orcs.

Trolls: A blend of both Haitian, Caribbean, and Mesoamerican cultures; voodoo, step pyramids, ritual sacrifice, and so forth. The Mesoamerican influence is especially on display in Zuldazar, which was inspired by the mythical El Dorado.

Tauren: Native American through and through -- this shouldn't even need to be pointed out. Ironically, despite being modeled after the minotaur of Greek mythology, they have no Greek influences.

Night elf: The night elves pull from a huge array of different real world cultures, notably Greek and Norse, but there are also minor influences taken from Korean, Japanese, and Chinese architecture, fashion, and mythology. Their druidism also has little in common with European druidism and is more akin to animism found in many tribal cultures throughout the world (including Native American, Inuit, Ainu, etc.). And of course they incorporate many of the typical "wood elf" fantasy tropes.

Blood elves: Though largely inspired by the "high elves" of Western fantasy, their culture and architecture has incorporated a distinctly Arabesque flavor; Silvermoon looks more like Agrabah from Aladdin than any medieval European city.


And that's only scratching the surface, of course. Fantasy is fantasy, there's no hard and fast rule that it can only be inspired by medieval European folklore. Nearly every fantasy setting, from D&D to Magic the Gathering, has it's own take on other cultures and their mythologies.

[Nalorakk]

Except I haven't been arguing only about the looks. Its the combination of race without no existing lore and the looks at are simply nothing more than fan service.

Did you intentionally miss the part where you said "directly looks like animal"?

And yeah of course it has no existing lore (other than half a sentence nodding to the possibility of something like them existing in WotA), it's something new. Blizzard as a company wants to make money, and one of the primary means of them doing that is by selling copies of games. Opening up the possibilities in WoW attracts a wider audience, and pulls back escaping player interests.

[Schattenlied]

Did you intentionally miss the part where I said "directly looks like animal". Murlocs are now talking fish? Because alot of fish have hands and feet.

I can't recall ever having seen a bipedal fox with opposable thumbs either... Murlocs are as much "just talking fish" as Vulpera are "just talking foxes", which is not at all.

I honestly dont even know what to say when you compare vulpera with no lore that exists to worgen or tauren.

Worgen and Tauren both had 0 lore when they were first introduced to the Warcraft universe... What do you expect the writers to do, write 3 out of game novels about them before they put them in game? That's how lore is made, they get put into the game, and we get to see their story through quests and dialogue..

[Kathranis]

Except I haven't been arguing only about the looks. Its the combination of race without no existing lore and the looks at are simply nothing more than fan service.

This has got to be one of the stupidest arguments... you know how new things get into the lore? They get created and put into the game.

Tauren, night elves, tuskarr, centaurs, kobolds, murlocs, and shitloads of other races didn't exist in the lore before Warcraft III. If you were actually a fan of Warcraft back in the day, would you be complaining about how there's this entire continent we've never heard of full of races we've never met before?

[huth]

Except I haven't been arguing only about the looks. Its the combination of race without no existing lore and the looks at are simply nothing more than fan service.

That only actually has relevance in your head. The lore is in the process of being established. You won't be able to play them before that has happened either way.

And even if, they still wouldn't be the first such race. Gnomes had no lore presence whatsoever before WoW.

[Nalorakk]

That only actually has relevance in your head. The lore is in the process of being established. You won't be able to play them before that has happened either way.

And even if, they still wouldn't be the first such race. Gnomes had no lore presence whatsoever before WoW.

um excuse me, there was REALLY INTENSE LORE in the smaller half of the dwarven mortar unit in WC3

[Feel The Power]

People complaining about Vulpera being furry creepo bait have very valid concerns, and you trying to switch it up by calling them the sexual deviants is honestly disgusting, despicable, but also a little amusing.

I think the whole furries fetish is ridiculous and all...but I can think of sooo much more creepo things associated with actual humans than with stupid cartoons of anthromorphic animals humping, or people in furry suits rubbing against each other. Actual humans cause the vaaast vast majority of creepo things to happen, and they are a race in this game .

[Dispraise]

It really isnt an issue these people must not be aware of the rule 32 porn that exists about WoW and has existed for a long time.

I have created some of that R34. I'm well aware it exists. Whether someone might get a boner has never been the point of contention, which just makes this entire line of reasoning overly specific denial. Which is just hilarious.

"I'd prefer if they didn't add them. They just look like stupid furry bait to me"

"You think just because they're foxes people want to have sex with them? nobody was even talking about having sex with them before you got here. Plus a lot of other people have thought about having sex with WoW characters too, so it wouldn't even be all that weird to want to have sex with vulpera. Which I don't. You brought that up. Weirdo"