SPOILERS!! Battle for Lordaeron/Sylvanas Discussion

[Blodia]

That Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade didn't just Acherus drop right on her ass after all the necromancy shenanigans is the ridiculous part.

[Broken Fox]

That Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade didn't just Acherus drop right on her ass after all the necromancy shenanigans is the ridiculous part.

The Argent Crusade is pretty much dead and the Ebon Blade doesn't have the power to oppose Sylvanas. And if the player is a Horde Death Knight you're actually the leader of the Ebon Blade and you're helping her do all that lol.

[Daevelian]

He doesn't care how many of his own people die so long as he gets his suicide by battle.

Now instead of trying to lead the Orcs or even oppose Sylvanas he just gives up and sits in an Alliance jail.

Fuck him

Yet he objects to your precious queen killing your own people... Something here seems a bit off.

Perhaps he is simply waiting for the rest of the horde to realise what kind of monster sits on the warchief's throne?

That said, this really has proven how loyal the horde playerbase is. (Hint, not at all.)

[Rend Blackhand]

Yet he objects to your precious queen killing your own people... Something here seems a bit off.

Perhaps he is simply waiting for the rest of the horde to realise what kind of monster sits on the warchief's throne?

That said, this really has proven how loyal the horde playerbase is. (Hint, not at all.)

My precious queen? lol ok buddy

He's an elevated meme character who doesn't have the balls to do anything. He should have killed Malfunction because i'm sure Malfurion was going to kill him but he is overly obsessed with his personal honour.

That's the issue, he's a selfish fuck.

[Blodia]

The Ebon Blade has as much power as Bolvar allows them to have. Lorewise a single Death Knight is a fairly serious customer, with legendary ones like Mograine or even Thassarian being able to solo most Alliance and Horde heroes. Surprisingly.
Horde/Alliance Death Knights, Warlocks or Demon Hunters even bothering with the war is a completely different issue which is just as idiotic and ridiculous.

[Belisaurio]

I must say, i find it amusing how quickly the horde playerbase have turned against Saurfang. Up until BfA's alpha hit, horde loved the everliving shit out of him, like he was the epitome of everything the horde should be.

How DARE he speak out against the queen of fan service eh?

It's more about Blizzard storytelling than anything. Garrosh had some potential, He even had some really good acts. Then, he just wanted to break gameplay, and boom, raid boss!
Saurfang was awesome (cleaving Aliance was his most recorded memory by the community btw), but he always knew his duty (being High Overlord should mean something appart from honor, part of AQ event lore was him being at the charge of Aliance&Horde trying to stop the invasion!!!!).
But in BfA, he doesn't take any logical route: Don't like Sylvanas Horde? Mak'gora, meeting with other leaders, just swap her with another random warchief... well, you get the point. Instead, he just wants to die (honorable death!!!).

P.D: At this moment, Saurfang is just a meme (it always was). We need someone changing all Saurfang lines for "HONOR HONOR", like Hodor in Game of Thrones.

[Kuntantee]

But but... she gots bewbz!

Sylvanas-chan means nothing bad, everyone else is at fault here! THEY made her do it!

Oh boy you gonna get a lot of hate for this thread LMAO. Not like I disagree with you OP - I completely agree.

Just remember if Sylvanas was old rotting dude with dirty beard instead of pair silicon tits no one would defend her and people would bash her as they bash any warmongering evil genocide approving villain.

You guys are projecting. Not everyone faps to cartoony models. I respect your preferences =), just make sure you do not project.

[Deleted]

The patron loa of the Darkspear Tribe is Bwonsamdi, the Loa of the Dead. We meet him in Zandalar. He's quite a Hades-like fellow. I wouldn't put it past the Loa of the Dead to intentionally vouch for the undead murderous Lich Queen

Or maybe it was the Loa of Stories who want interesting stuff to happen.

[sighy]

He really looked hot there, though.
I get why Wrathion would tap that, tbh.
And about Sylvanas... I liked her more rotten and greenish look in the Legion cinematic than the pretty, more humanized-face version of the BfA cinematic. She looked more dead int he eyes and snarky with the Legion style.
They should go back to that one instead of just having her be a stunningly pale grunge elf.

Well her skin color is supposed to be lavender.

[Daevelian]

My precious queen? lol ok buddy

He's an elevated meme character who doesn't have the balls to do anything. He should have killed Malfunction because i'm sure Malfurion was going to kill him but he is overly obsessed with his personal honour.

That's the issue, he's a selfish fuck.

Bout as selfish as Sylvanas turning the horde into her personal shield i guess. I will give you the Malfurion thing, but it changes nothing about how loyal the horde playerbase is to their own heroes.

As for the actual topic. Is it weird that i kinda hope they go full blown Mad Queen Sylvanas Lannister with her? I can totally see her agreeing to peace talks, gathering up horde and alliance leaders in a single location to discuss the peace talks and then just blowing it up with some form of azerite explosive while she watches from a safe distance. This of course wipes out several alliance and horde leaders at once, gives her an out to 100% betray the horde without dragging the horde player into a starscream scenario and turns her into "something more" than a saturday morning cartoon villain. Bonus points if the location is Icecrown Citadel, so she takes out the Lich King at the same time, gaining the crown and controlling the scourge, leading into a "wrath of the lich queen" expansion.

[Rendark]

I like what shes doing. Honor is for chumps.

[Cyberowl]

I like Sylvanas threads.

It's always a bunch of nerds taking horrible lore way too seriously. And the Sylvanas bashing outnumbers the pro Sylvanas posts 10 to one, yet the Sylvanas faction is potrayed as annoying.

Yikes from all sides.

[sighy]

Bout as selfish as Sylvanas turning the horde into her personal shield i guess. I will give you the Malfurion thing, but it changes nothing about how loyal the horde playerbase is to their own heroes.

As for the actual topic. Is it weird that i kinda hope they go full blown Mad Queen Sylvanas Lannister with her? I can totally see her agreeing to peace talks, gathering up horde and alliance leaders in a single location to discuss the peace talks and then just blowing it up with some form of azerite explosive while she watches from a safe distance. This of course wipes out several alliance and horde leaders at once, gives her an out to 100% betray the horde without dragging the horde player into a starscream scenario and turns her into "something more" than a saturday morning cartoon villain. Bonus points if the location is Icecrown Citadel, so she takes out the Lich King at the same time, gaining the crown and controlling the scourge, leading into a "wrath of the lich queen" expansion.

Saurfang was allways a meme nothing more nohing less. Maybe the playerbase is loyal to one of the actual established big characters instead of a meme.

Judging by the direction Blizz is taking Saurfang's character the best they can do with him in prison is to have some alliance extremists shank him, which leads to inner turmoil inside the alliance and legit heat, from some prehaps not so commited races of the horde.

If we are comparing Sylvanas to Lannisters i would be more inclined to say Tywin.

[Deleted]

If we are comparing Sylvanas to Lannisters i would be more inclined to say Tywin.

Yes, Tywin Lannister, the one who sentenced his own son to death, only to end up dead by his hands. I would actually love it if she went down the same way, killed by Koltira as revenge for what she did to him. (Game of Thrones spoiler tag.)

[Daevelian]

Saurfang was allways a meme nothing more nohing less. Maybe the playerbase is loyal to one of the actual established big characters instead of a meme.

Judging by the direction Blizz is taking Saurfang's character the best they can do with him in prison is to have some alliance extremists shank him, which leads to inner turmoil inside the alliance and legit heat, from some prehaps not so commited races of the horde.

If we are comparing Sylvanas to Lannisters i would be more inclined to say Tywin.

Yet no one called him a meme until BfA's alpha hit. Well, except for the cleave thing, but he had a lot more beyond that.

As for the Lannisters, Cersei is simply a far more ruthless and unstable version of Tywin, a plot point from the series if you recall. I'd agree with Tywin being closer if Sylvanas was, you know, mentally stable.

[Aeula]

I must say, i find it amusing how quickly the horde playerbase have turned against Saurfang. Up until BfA's alpha hit, horde loved the everliving shit out of him, like he was the epitome of everything the horde should be.

How DARE he speak out against the queen of fan service eh?

Less about him speaking out against Sylvanas, more about his perverted sense of honor costing Horde lives because he wants his ‘honourable’ death. Not giving a single fuck if it leaves his people leaderless.

Letting Malfurion escape, running off in the middle of a battle, throwing himself at the Alliance to get them to kill him and refusing to even attempt escape after they capture him.

He’s a worthless coward who wants to die so he can escape his responsibilities. It doesn’t matter if he’s right and Sylvanas ends up going the way of Garrosh, Saurfang doesn’t deserve to be part of the Horde anymore.

[derpkitteh]

The patron loa of the Darkspear Tribe is Bwonsamdi, the Loa of the Dead. We meet him in Zandalar. He's quite a Hades-like fellow. I wouldn't put it past the Loa of the Dead to intentionally vouch for the undead murderous Lich Queen

he wouldn't vouch for sylvanas, he hates her.

sylvanas, genn, alleria, vereesa, nathanos, they're all just plot devices to further shoehorn faction conflict. they should all die.

[ls-]

he wouldn't vouch for sylvanas, he hates her.

sylvanas, genn, alleria, vereesa, nathanos, they're all just plot devices to further shoehorn faction conflict. they should all die.

No, at this point they're means to develop Anduin into the God Emperor.

For instance, his 4v1 against Saurfang and its aftermath show how good and honourable Anduin is. He spares Saurfang, he even pats the orc on his shoulder and tells him that they'll discuss honour when Varok recovers from his wounds.

Him stabbing Horde's azerite war machine to death was a very hilarious way of showing his growth as a warrior/fighter.

[Daevelian]

Less about him speaking out against Sylvanas, more about his perverted sense of honor costing Horde lives because he wants his ‘honourable’ death. Not giving a single fuck if it leaves his people leaderless.

Letting Malfurion escape, running off in the middle of a battle, throwing himself at the Alliance to get them to kill him and refusing to even attempt escape after they capture him.

He’s a worthless coward who wants to die so he can escape his responsibilities. It doesn’t matter if he’s right and Sylvanas ends up going the way of Garrosh, Saurfang doesn’t deserve to be part of the Horde anymore.

I am curious about the math there actually. How many lives have been lost because of Saurfang's lust for honour vs the lives lost to the mad queen blighting her own soldiers?

Barring Malfurion possibly taking the lives of horde after Saurfang escorts him to safety (no one knows what happens after that, he is not in the story after this event), i'm pretty sure his count is far lower than the lives lost to the friendly fire blight.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Sylvanas planned the battle for Lordaeron to be a trap. It was a suicide mission. It was expected.

Since it's a spoiler thread, I won't bother to put spoiler tags, so read at your own risk:

She blows the hell out of Lordaeron. She literally blows it up. She wanted to kill as many Alliance troops -- more particularly the king and all his lieutenant -- in one blow. That was the point. And I suspect that the horde minions following her knew exactly what would happen.

So no, she's not evil. She's clever.