Titanforging is out of control in BFA

[taishar68]

It seems like a bug is a definite possibility; that the game generated the heroic version instead of the normal one.

Let's suppose, however, it was not a bug, but rather a statistical outlier, like a lottery win, or an honest politician; I hardly think that qualifies as "out of control"; if one out of every 100 people had that type of luck, it wouldn't exactly be a game breaking issue, especially when you consider that the only time random luck like that can affect anyone else's play is if one group somehow all managed to get that lucky at the same time and gain a huge gear advantage. Given the nature of probability, this seems rather unlikely.

My 30 copper is on a bug; if I'm wrong send in-game email to collect your bounty of riches XD

[Will]

Pretty insane. That's a +115 item level proc AFTER the stat squish seeing how normal mode bfa dungeons are supposed to drop 210 items.

An item being warforged over 20 times doesn't seem right. Clearly when the warforge applied, due to a bug, it based the increase on the item's level 120 base ilvl of 210. So it's 3x warforged, AKA minimum titanforge criteria.

Given that it's beta, rather than throwing your arms in the air and yelling "Things are out of control!" maybe you could sit down and consider that this is a quirky bug on the beta.

[Lucetia]

None of what you just said makes any sense. The loot is not the same base ilevel at 110 as it is at 120, even if it's the same difficulty.

What they are trying to say is that on PTR / Beta Realms you don't go in there as the level you are. They scale you accordingly to how they want to test. So they probably scaled the player to 120 even though they are 110. If they scale everyone to the same it allows more people to queue and test the content rather than a small selection who actually fit the requirements.

It's like how we scale down in Timewalking, but get loot for our actual level.

[Tradu]

What they are trying to say is that on PTR / Beta Realms you don't go in there as the level you are. They scale you accordingly to how they want to test. So they probably scaled the player to 120 even though they are 110. If they scale everyone to the same it allows more people to queue and test the content rather than a small selection who actually fit the requirements.

It's like how we scale down in Timewalking, but get loot for our actual level.

Except that doesn't happen in 5mans. You only get scaled for raid testing.

[Raelbo]

Ok, so you got a regular heroic dungeon drop at level 110. Not sure what the big deal is. This sort of thing has been around since forever, the difference being it's normally an epic world drop.

I mean, sure it's a bit of a shot in the arm for a level 110 to get it, but given that you have 16 gear slots, one of them being OP isn't exactly going to be insane. Besides, you're going to reach level 120 within a few days anyway, at which point the amazing proc will actually be pretty meaningless.

[Eazy]

One proc from 1000 items.


Its out of HAND!!!!!

Ok, so you got a regular heroic dungeon drop at level 110. Not sure what the big deal is. This sort of thing has been around since forever, the difference being it's normally an epic world drop.

To be honest such a thing shouldn't even happen once in 1,000,000 times. Getting heroic ilvl items from the NEXT expansion, while being level 110.

Leems segit.

I mean, sure it's a bit of a shot in the arm for a level 110 to get it, but given that you have 16 gear slots, one of them being OP isn't exactly going to be insane.

Yes it is. That's unfair and too much RNG.

Let's suppose, however, it was not a bug, but rather a statistical outlier, like a lottery win, or an honest politician; I hardly think that qualifies as "out of control"; if one out of every 100 people had that type of luck, it wouldn't exactly be a game breaking issue, especially when you consider that the only time random luck like that can affect anyone else's play is if one group somehow all managed to get that lucky at the same time and gain a huge gear advantage. Given the nature of probability, this seems rather unlikely.

If getting +100ilvl titanforging is not out of control, then I have no idea what is.

[Nevcairiel]

You're completely wrong, though. You're not arguing facts. The item OP got has a base ilevel of 210 at level 110, so he did in fact get a 115 titanforge. This is probably a bug, as levelling gear in Legion followed different titanforging rules than max level gear(just like timewalking), but that doesn't change the fact that he got a 115 ilevel titanforge

The "bug" is more likely that it forgot that its supposed to be scaled down though, not that it accidentally titanforged 115 level. Because even if it would ignore the limit due to a bug, winning 23 individual upgrade rolls (for 5 ilvl each) in row is just insanely unlikely.

To be honest such a thing shouldn't even happen once in 1,000,000 times. Getting heroic ilvl items from the NEXT expansion, while being level 110.

Its not exactly the next expansion if it dropped in a BfA dungeon, is it?

[Eazy]

Its not exactly the next expansion if it dropped in a BfA dungeon, is it?

I meant the level difference, but you have right, didn't explain myself clearly.

[Lucetia]

Except that doesn't happen in 5mans. You only get scaled for raid testing.

It happens in dungeons a lot too. I haven't looked on beta lately though, but I know it's the case on the PTR a lot which recent one being Seat scaling you to like 860 or something.

[Vakna]

Could you be any more dramatic? Since you're the only one this has happened to it's clearly a bug which are common occurrences in the beta environment. No need to start a thread and fan the flames as though this is gonna be some kind of norm in BfA. Now you got all the mouth breathers out who read 1 line, take it out of context, and proclaim the end of the world.

A bug report and perhaps humorous reddit post would have sufficed.

[Zka]

It happens in dungeons a lot too.

Yes, I've been actually scaled DOWN to lvl 110 from 120 once in Motherlode. Even my azerite neck lost azerite levels temporarily, I was pretty much baffled. I guess this also happens in different direction if Blizz decides to test instances at 120...
According to smartypants OP of this thread I don't even have beta so I'm just guessing

So yeah, this most probably a base 310 item (which has probably gotten to a 110 char in error) with a +15 TF, oh noes, the sky is falling.
Or maybe, it's just simply a bug in TF. Proccing legit +115 ilvl is the least probable of these scenarios.

[Wildpantz]

About 40 dungeons done i can count on 1 hand the number of tf proccs

[SirBeef]

About 40 dungeons done i can count on 1 hand the number of tf proccs

I'm thinking he did not get the item but someone who is level 120 in his dungeon run did and when he inspected it it showed the required level for him and the current ilvl for the recipient. If not it is definitely a bug and I just reported it in the bug report feature. Likewise, I have run close to 200 regular and heroic dungeons and may have seen 2 or 3 titanforged items, maybe 10 warforged items drop for the group as a whole.

[Checkt]

For the record, OP is just kinda oblivious, and didn't check what the actual base item level is.

http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=159329/l...onus=4777:1482

They got the lowest possible titanforge.

*ramble ramble* games broken *ramble ramble* it'll never be as good as (xpac) was *ramble ramble* kill all casuals.

[taishar68]

If getting +100ilvl titanforging is not out of control, then I have no idea what is.

I didn't mean to imply that titanforging that high, assuming it wasn't a bug, was not egregious in and of itself, but rather that due to the randomness of the system, the small rarity of occurrences renders them trivial. Obviously if a large percentage of the player population was getting high levels on their items, it would be a cause for concern.

[Zyky]

Weird, i recall reading somewhere that Blizz wanted to limit titanforging to a certain itemlevel above the item's base ilevel, and i'm pretty sure the limit wasn't 115...

This could be a bug, have you reported it?

Where did they say this? I've heard nothing of the sort and most people on the forums haven't either with how many titanforging is out of control threads there have been both here and on the official forums

[Raelbo]

To be honest such a thing shouldn't even happen once in 1,000,000 times. Getting heroic ilvl items from the NEXT expansion, while being level 110.

Why not? When the new expansion arrives (with which this item can proc), level 110 will no longer be level cap. So while this 1 item might be quite a decent boost (10%?) at level 110, as you quickly level up, the rest of your gear will catch up pretty fast. It's fine to have a low chance of getting an item which will last you a few weeks.

And like I already said, this is not a new thing. I have picked up several ilevel 840 (and higher) BoE epics which only require you to be level 101. Hell, you can currently equip an ilevel 1000 legendary at 101.

Yes it is. That's unfair and too much RNG.

It perfectly fair (since everyone has the same chance to get it). And no, it's not too much RNG. It's actually awesome. I think it would be great to be the person who gets that drop. If other players can't handle someone else getting something nice, that's their problem.

If getting +100ilvl titanforging is not out of control, then I have no idea what is.

Then you need to work on your ideas.

I mean, sure, if a current tier mythic raid epic titanforges for +100ilevels that would, indeed, be out of control. But that isn't even close to what we're talking about. The context is important. Honestly, if I took my level 101 druid (who already has a crafted legendary ilevel 1000 equipped) and got a lucky 845 drop, it's hardly going to be worth getting excited about. Because in a week he'll be level 110 and doing LFR for ilevel 915+.

You're making a big fuss about nothing.

[tikcol]

They built the casino, players got hooked. They won't demolish it now out of the blue

[Alextros]

Blizzard never said they would cap Titanforging. They said they would consider it, and since then we have heard nothing officially. All we know, is that the proc rate has been heavily tweaked (because Blizzard stated that), which can be seen on the Beta, as it seems to be somewhat of a rare occurance.

[Deleted]

>Doing normal dungeon at 110
>Getting scaled to 120
>Get a 120 TF proc


I don't see the problem tbh

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Except that doesn't happen in 5mans. You only get scaled for raid testing.

No? You get scaled to 120 but drops only for your "level"

Hence this is clearly a bug that considered the OP a real 120 and dropped a 120 item [310] and TF +15