"Legion was a huge success"

[SirBeef]

I'd have to agree on this. An MMO can find success without having millions and millions of subscribers so long as it's found a niche audience of loyal subscribers.

EvE is a success and has less than 500k players, 20k per day. Sub numbers were never a good means for success just popularity.

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No, they no longer do that. You can just delete your sub and are done. No more customer retention.

However, "sucess" probably means financial success and to that end, nobody of us forum goers will have any relevant knowledge so it's really a pointless discussion

Do you really blame them. 2 reasons come to mind as to why they no longer do this. 1, they were not or no longer receiving quality information or any at all. 2, they know there is no point to try to retain customers for a 14 year old game.

[Soluna]

The moment I read the blue post, I knew that some idiot would blow this out of proportion...
Legendaries were a problem at some point, but not anymore.
The rest of your problems are bullshit. Affliction was busted? Why? Cause it could do 10 mildps on skorpyron? Lmfao. Guardian sure was useful on KJ, but why do OP classes that exist on every single fucking expansion be a cn for legion specifically? To me it sounds like you are a 5 year old who just hates legion but cant come up with a proper argument. M+, world quests, artifact skins and mage tower, order halls, questing in suramar, argus as a planet, raiding was decent.
The only problems were legendaries for a short amount of time, pvp (which is always broken tbh, not just legion), and broken shore, but thats more of a problem because they stretched the cool stuff so much that you needed all 12 classes to appreciate it.
A mistake in design choice, but hey, ppl still suck arthas' dick, and wrath's, but it produced the steaming pile of garbage that is ToC. Not to mention shit vehicle mechanics, and a multidute of broken specs, since you care about perfect balance of specs. But go on, keep crying and show us how full of bs you are, boy.

[davesurfer]

IMO

WotLK
Legion
Cataclysm
TBC
MoP
WoD

TBC
WotLK
Legion
Cataclysm
MoP
WoD

[Naiattavain]

wrath of the lich king was a success. legion really just was nothing compared to being called a success. game is just getting worse.

[Deleted]

Personally I've quite enjoyed legion. There have been some negative aspects but overall I think the expansion as a whole is good with less downtime than previous expansions have had.

Mythic+ has kept 5 man content relevant without the "do it for valor points" reason. You can still get relevant gear and push higher keys for difficulty until the final day of the expansion.
Raiding has been excellent (except EN). Every other raid tier the raids have had a decent number of bosses, with mostly varied mechanics and requirements on the harder difficulties. Obviously things like the soakfest of ToS wasn't great, but still had some interesting fights and Antorus was a fun instance on Mythic difficulty.
World content has remained mostly relevant for more of the lifetime of the expansion than I think any before it. World quests kept us going out there until gear and AP no longer become important, then the paragon boxes for mounts became a reason.
PVP I can't really comment on as I'm not a mainspec PVPer, however the prestige system was a nice addition, despite the fact it become rather pointless after about level 7.
Secret content, like the mounts, hidden skins etc were a nice little addition for a lot of people, something extra to do which didnt directly increase characters power but had its own rewards.

[McNeil]

Whenever Blizzard wants to show that Legion is doing well, they are only comparing it to WoD by which we know they have abandoned it from the start. I'd rather see some actual numbers instead of some vague statements. Blizzard is unable to criticise themselves even for the worst possible mistakes, even in their latest video about the history of WoW they couldn't even say a single bad thing about WoD. How can I trust a company who says something is succesful if they never say anything bad. How much value does their meaning of ''succes'' actually mean then? I'm sure fanboys will love statements like this and then try to use it as an argument or something.

Not to say Legion is a bad expansion but I consider it more middle-of-the-road, better than Cata and WoD but not as good as WotLK and MoP. About the same as TBC. I don't see that steady stream of content to be something to brag about when you literally sacrificed a whole expansion from before to do so, lets see if they can actually keep it up in BFA.

[salate]

For me it was one of the best. World PVP was ruined for me, so... In PVE point of view I had so much fun, did alotta m+, did WQ, raids, my gf learnt how to play, mage towers, alts (i hate to lvl up alts). really enjoyed lvl2.0
No idea, if legion bought alotta ppl, bought alotta stuff in store sure, its a big success for them. But personally, it was... Gonna miss it

[xcitng]

Hey everyone is entitled to their wrong opinion, thanks for sharing yours.

[M1r4g3]

As long as they design the game around the worst players and the ones that play the least they will never make a good xpack.

[Tolfor]

Friendly reminder that "I didn't like thing" (where "thing" is any number of systems/features within the expansion) does not make an expansion "a failure." Legion was definitely not flawless, but personally speaking, it was my favorite expansion to date, and I've been playing WoW for over a decade. That doesn't make my experience/opinion any more or less valid than yours, though, because ultimately, NEITHER of our individual experiences/opinions matter in terms of determining whether or not Legion was a successful expansion. Blizzard clearly feels that it was, though, and in this case, I agree.

[FoxyAnatoliy]

In terms of PvE, it was the best expansion up to date.
In terms of PvP, it was an utter garbage, filled with dogshit balance and socialistic concepts.

Overall, it was good.

[Velshin]

Legion was a good expansion. Yes it is not perfect and it had its flaws like the current legendary system + not friendly when it comes to alts and some bad raiding bosses designs in ToS. But overall it is 100000 times much better than Cata and WoD imo.

[Arainie]

Why do you have to badmouth ("loud mouths") people who apparently do not share your opinion? Is that really necessary? I doubt this thread is representative. We will never hear of those who quit for good because of xyz. They are silent, too and Blizz has decided they no longer want to know why they lost a player.

Because time and time again "they" voice their extremely exaggerated opinions ("Legion is the worst game ever made", "Legion destroyed the WoW we all loved") with little to no objective substance. It's always fine to dislike something but when your claims are objectively false ("there is nothing to do in Legion" or "Legion had the least content of all expansions") your posts turn in to senseless rants. This thread is just as representative as any other thread on this forum, especially as the OP presents a negative view and a large majority disputes it instead of jumping on the whine-wagon, the latter of which I'd label as an mmoc trademark (jumping on the whine-wagon that is).

If you try to argue that x or y was bad/useless/shit because of reason z, when z can clearly be proven to be false, then it is entirely fair to consider said opinion regarding x or y as "bs". That's simple logic, but then again I guess you shouldn't expect people these days to grasp logic..?

[Velshin]

In terms of PvE, it was the best expansion up to date.
In terms of PvP, it was an utter garbage, filled with dogshit balance and socialistic concepts.

Overall, it was good.

To be fair pvp was in bad shape for a very long time. The last time pvp was super good I think in Wotlk during the relentless season I really can't remember which season was it but it was the third pvp season of Wotlk. I think it was the 7th pvp season of WoW. After that it kinda went downhill imo.

[MechaCThun]

Any way for people to shit over something they don't agree with. God forbid Blizzard actually be proud of and back up their own content creations.

[Fabinas]

I consider the change of gaming philosophy a major issue of Legion. Constant Legendary farming, multiple RNG level rewards, constant farming with no end systems...
All built and enabled to enlarge the new metric of success. MAU's. Of course Blizzard considers Legion a success.

For players like me who hated the constant grinding, the hidden RNG parameters of rewards, the time spent with no actual progress to rewards because of slot-machine casino rewards, Legion was a piece of crap, since all those issues shadowed the postive changes done from WoD. People like me who played with no interruptions since vanilla got tired of those systems and quit. Personally, i cannot consider Legion a success. But i guess my opinion doesn't count that much anymore for players who keep playing.

[Eggroll]

If you try to argue that x or y was bad/useless/shit because of reason z, when z can clearly be proven to be false, then it is entirely fair to consider said opinion regarding x or y as "bs". That's simple logic, but then again I guess you shouldn't expect people these days to grasp logic..?

Well, what I said before, complainers complaining about complainers are funny

[RoKPaNda]

In a recent blue post, Ythisens describes Legion as a "big success" and cites the steady stream of content as one of the main contributors. He also suggests that subscriber numbers aren't an accurate measure of success.

I think that he couldn't be more wrong. Legion launched with arguably the most game systems issues in the history of WoW (legendaries, AK, secondary stat scaling, Guardian/Affliction overtuning, professions debacle) and they have the nerve to call that a massive success?

But even going by their own measure, the steady streams of content that we received were in the form of 1 quest a week boring shore quest lines or generic legion zone in thr form of Argus. And were met with a chilled reception at best.

And at the end of the day, the subscribers are the ones paying his paycheques. To give them such little regard is highly insulting.

I think that Blizzard has lost touch with reality and they need a massive shakeup to get back on course.

I've been playing since Vanilla was in beta more or less and I thought Legion was the best expansion we've ever gotten. If you think Legion launched with the most issues then surely this is your first ever WoW expansion launch? Secondary stat scaling has been fucked for years, class/spec tuning has been an issue since the start (Not one expansion has launched without some class/spec being too strong and others being too weak.), AP was a grind yeah but it only impacted the top 5% of us so who cares, same with legendaries. Don't tell me about your anecdotal heroic guild that sat you because they didn't understand math and thought you having a subpar legendary and doing 5% as a liberal estimate would hold up their progress. Tweaks were made in Emerald Nightmare and by the time that Tomb was released the only reason to not have all the legendaries for your class was laziness.

The raid content was good and came at at a good pace, features like M+ were good and well received. It was a great expansion for raiders, it was a great expansion for people who prefer smaller content.

[glowpipe]

Someone never played wod or mop at launch. Where the gamesystems litteraly stopped you from playing. And then have the nerve to say the stuff legion launched with was bad ?

[Deleted]

Tied with wotlk for my fav xpansion

Most game system problems and bad balance/overtuning? While that sounds like you’re new i know better, id say you have a pair of rose tintet glasses the size of Highmountain