UK bookstore attacked by 'mask-wearing fascists'

[AeneasBK]

He was exonerated.

Source :P

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Antifa destroys shit all the time;

This story is in the UK?

[Arenis]

Did you even read the article you quoted? Basically all the charges against him were overturned. Sure, there can be a retrial, and some political activist judge can make up new charges, but for now there is no damning evidence.

He was filming outside the court. That deserves a jail sentence in your opinion?

It does not question the evidence in itself. It finds the procedure of the court lacking, as it found the previous court to not properly state the precise cause of the contempt charge. It also found the previous court to handle in a way too fast manner.

So he might be sentenced based on the same evidence again, if the new court manages to handle in the proper way and can describe in detail the offense.

Ok, any time I define socialism I am tiold I am wrong, but the person who tells me I am wrong never defines it themselves. Lets see if you can be the first.

Here is how I understand it: A system in which there is collective ownership of production and wealth. Meaning, people who had earned their money and property would have it "re distributed" to the "less fortunate" a lot of people like it because in their minds, they could be an "artist" making figures out of straws and paper clips, and because they see this as a needed profession, they would get money from people with real jobs.

There would be no reason to be a doctor for example, because you get paid as much and the same benefits as say, a package room clerk who gets to sit and watch youtube all day (or post here) A doctor might make a bit more, but why be one and put forth all that effort to be taxed into oblivion so things can be equal? There would be no reason to strive for more because your gain just gets "distributed"

Now, go ahead and tell me how wrong I am and I don't know what I am talking about, but make sure to fail to give the proper explanation, and then not explain how this magical system would all work out.

I'd suggest looking at some countries like the Netherlands and Sweden, who are supported by some form of socialism. None of what you describe is the case there.
Also, you only mention money as an incentive for a profession, completely ignoring people's own interests.

[Zubacz]

They said there was a technical flaw with the trial itself, which presumably has something to do with the fact that the trial took place 5 hours after Tommy was arrested, which it shouldn't have done.

What should have happened was he should have been arrested, remanded in custody, offered bail and the trial should have happened a few weeks later, at which point Tommy would still have been convicted of breaching his suspended sentence, and rightfully sent to jail for 13 months. Which is what will happen when the retrial happens because he broke the law, twice.

So you agree with sending someone to 10 months in prison for filming and talking in front on a courthouse? Because that's the contempt charge. It happened so fast BECAUSE it was a ridiculous charge. Which would never have held up in a procedure you are describing.

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And both don't inherently call for the murder of certain groups of people like Nazism does. Yes, their extreme forms have, so far, always lead to oppressive regimes taking advantage of the powers they could gain through the mechanisms, but incorporating socialist aspects into an otherwise democratic capitalist society has shown to be very much beneficial to that society. The same could not be said about Nazism.

Treating the two as directly opposing entities is silly at best. A common mistake of either sides' populists in a failed from the outset attempt to cough up a boogeyman.

Nazism was very beneficial for the society, except for the tiny inconvenience of leading to genocide and war. Just like the small problem of communism is leading to genocide and famine. And Nazi is "national socialism", so definitely not on the opposing side of communism. Rather in the same ballpark of failure.

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This story is in the UK?

Google "Antifa UK".

[Deleted]

So you agree with sending someone to 10 months in prison for filming and talking in front on a courthouse? Because that's the contempt charge. It happened so fast BECAUSE it was a ridiculous charge. Which would never have held up in a procedure you are describing.

It's not a ridiculous charge considering he's already been convicted of it, and given a suspended sentence for it, and no issues have been brought up with that trial.

And yes, I think if someone is trying to actively influence the outcome of an ongoing trial by interviewing the jurors, they should be convicted of contempt of court, which is what Tommy was actually doing, and the main reason that people like you don't spread the video around as evidence of his innocence.

I honestly don't know the reason it happened so fast, and neither do you, but it was certainly wrong that it did happen so fast, as evidenced by the high courts ruling.

And as a further counter point to your claims that it's a ridiculous charge, the high court saw all the evidence, and they didn't overturn the charges leveled against Tommy, they overturned the conviction itself. He isn't exonerated at all, he's still on the hook for the original charges, as he should be, because it's against the law.

[Deleted]

Cool it with the personal attacks. I just like free speech. I think both Tommy Robinson and Marxist bookstores shouldn't be censored. But you can't be surprised that a fringe element of one side reacts when you attack them. Antifa destroys shit all the time; do you blame the bookstore for them?

Violence or inciting violence is rightly illegal. Hate speech does not exist. It's just speech and that's free. That's my "line".

I ain't trying to attack you, I truly believe that you are dangerous. People like you allow authoritarian regimes to take over.

You have decided that the far left is evil, therefore, they are violent because they are evil. Their hate and violence is always unjust.

As a result of this, you have concluded that the far right is just, and their hate and violence is merely a opposite reaction to the violence of the far left. Anything the far right therefore does is justified.

This exact thinking, is what allows dictatorships and things like ethnic cleansing to happen.

[AeneasBK]

Google "Antifa UK".

Gonna have to try harder than that bub. I see some people at protests. I even googled "destruction by antifa in UK". Came up short I'm afraid. Better luck next time though, you've chosen an interesting hill to die on

[Orby]

Havent they got anything better to do, like get a job?

[Soxoffender]

Who reads books these days anyway? Its all on computers and internet.

It could be a PR stunt to get publicity for dying book store.

would make sense, easy time and target for a false flag. Swipe some discarded signs, throw on a mask, and have a fit while your friends (knowingly or unknowingly) play the victims of this sudden and unprovoked attack.

The contortions people are willing to go through to avoid condemning right wing violence are incredible.

Cool it with the personal attacks. I just like free speech. I think both Tommy Robinson and Marxist bookstores shouldn't be censored. But you can't be surprised that a fringe element of one side reacts when you attack them. Antifa destroys shit all the time; do you blame the bookstore for them?

Violence or inciting violence is rightly illegal. Hate speech does not exist. It's just speech and that's free. That's my "line".

What has an independent book store got to do with the British police and judiciary? How has this shop done anything to Robinson or the dickheads who attacked it?

[Rennadrel]

Gotta destroy all those evil Commie reference books at some point! /s

[Machismo]

While destroying books or intimidating anyone is bad, what the British government did to Tommy Robinson is way worse. Can't really be surprised a few crazies on the right are unreasonable, when the politically correct, islamophilic government is jailing people for no reason.

You mean like keeping people out, because they happen to be Muslim?

Oh, the irony...

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Did you even read the article you quoted? Basically all the charges against him were overturned. Sure, there can be a retrial, and some political activist judge can make up new charges, but for now there is no damning evidence.

He was filming outside the court. That deserves a jail sentence in your opinion?

He literally pleaded guilty...

[JohnBrown1917]

Yeah, no. He's appealed the sentencing, on the grounds that he thinks it's too severe. He still plead guilty to contempt of court, twice.

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/new...ppeal-14992614

As the article notes, he could end up with a longer sentence after all this.

So what god do I need to make sacrifices for to give him a longer sentence?

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The right have never been big on books, for some reason they think books are for burning, morons each and every one.

Its been a very long tradition for them, be it purists, nazis or now the alt-reich.

[Bodakane]

While destroying books or intimidating anyone is bad, what the British government did to Tommy Robinson is way worse. Can't really be surprised a few crazies on the right are unreasonable, when the politically correct, islamophilic government is jailing people for no reason.

I admit I know nothing about Tommy robinson or his legal issues or his ideology.

But so the fuck what?

Does one instance of a government doing something wrong erase any person's capability for a crime they've committed? I hate what the US government has done to the natives, blacks, Japanese, LGBTQ, etc. but does that mean any crime a person commits should be excused?

Your "logic" is wrong for any situation. It is like saying don't cure malaria because cancer is still around.

[Netherspark]

Did you even read the article you quoted? Basically all the charges against him were overturned. Sure, there can be a retrial, and some political activist judge can make up new charges, but for now there is no damning evidence.

Nothing has been overturned, he is still charged with the same crime and there WILL be a retrial, that was the whole point of releasing him - this isn't freeing a wrongfully convicted man, this is starting a new trial under proper procedure. His previous suspended sentence still stands.

He was filming outside the court. That deserves a jail sentence in your opinion?

When you break the law.... yeah that generally does deserve a jail sentence. That's how the law works, a law that he is well aware of because he's already been convicted for breaking it before. He wasn't just filming, he was harassing defendants and witnesses and disrupting the trial, all the while uploading it to public video platforms.

All the "evidence" against him has been called into question. He was about to be jailed for 10months for filming outside the court. It's laughable.

No it hasn't. What fairy land are you pulling your information from? The evidence is his own damn recording. Contempt of Court is no laughing matter, it's a crime. So is violating your suspended sentence.

[tehealadin]

It always amazes me how people who resort to destroying books are so unaware of what they look like. Is this not the ultimate act of barbarism? It is certainly a contender. Yes, destroying life, destroying property is bad. However I have always found seeking to destroy knowledge to be an especially barbaric act. And no doubt the people who do this will claim that Muslims are barbaric.

[Alexeht]

"mask-wearing fascists"

Wasn't it Antifa? They would fit description lol.

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A socialist bookstore? That place needs to be burned down to the ground. TWICE. Nuked from orbit and just to be sure its ashes need to be shot into the sun.

[Alexeht]

While destroying books or intimidating anyone is bad, what the British government did to Tommy Robinson is way worse. Can't really be surprised a few crazies on the right are unreasonable, when the politically correct, islamophilic government is jailing people for no reason.

Yep. Also I find this outrage funny since when antifa does shit like that no one cares ...

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I was unaware that jailing people for breaking the law is "for no reason".

People are breaking the law all the time, but only Tommy is jailed. Why no one cared when freaks with ISIS and Hezbollah flag were outside? It is clear proof of who have more power and privilege in UK ...

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What we need now is some mask-wearing anti fascists to burn a right wing book store, just to keep the lefties in this forum happy.

hahahahahahahhaah

[Deleted]

The anti-Intellectuals strike again!

When the brain spawn attack us in the year 3000 we will have to rely on these heroes to save humanity.

I condemn these attacks by fascists but I have to add the fact that socialists and socialism is the definition of pseudo-intellectualism.

[Deleted]

How exactly do you be a Socialist Bookstore? Is it a Bookstore that only sells Socialist literature? or is it a Bookstore that gives people books other people paid for?

Either way, isn't this kind of stuff Part and Parcel for London? You know, that whole "with enough people in a Capital some will be bad eggs" thing?

Its a bookstore where they go to the street and rob people, so it can give the books to the people that come there. Seems kinda obvious.

[Alexeht]

If you're going to resort to whataboutisms at least pick better professional victims than Tommy Contempt of Court Robinson .

Not only he was reporting about case, but only he was jailed (completely biased) ...