Blood Elves reaction to Teldrassil?

[Alvito]

It seems like there are some at least that are very much on board with it, as a tool of vengeance.

Now somebody just needs to point out to Malfurion that his dear wife sent NE into the BE territories to attack them in BC while he slept. Continue to hollow him out by pointing out just want a fraud Tyrande is and always has been.

[shade076]

1, they're never stated to be the ones tampering with the arcane wards.
2, the first night elf spy we encounter in eversong is likely a SI:7 agent since his attire and sex typically prelude him from being a sentinel.
3, malfurion was still asleep as of BC due to fandral staghelm's poisoning, so even then it's likely he would never learn of the actions the sentinels and SI:7 would of taken at this time.

The NPC in question is a Darnassian Scout. There are sentinels camped out around one of the wards in ghostlands. The night elves have an additional invasion camp complete with Sentinels and Druids in ghostlands. Its very specifically the night elves attacking Quel'thalas.

[Obelisk Kai]

As far as attacking the Kaldorei and occupying Teldrassil go? The Blood Elves were likely entirely on board after what the Kaldorei tried to do with their invasion of Quel'thalas back before they joined the Horde.

Burning it is another story entirely. I'd imagine Lor'themar is keeping as close an eye as ever on Sylvanas. Anyone sensible should have alarm bells ringing right now. Burning Teldrassil provides the Horde no tangible benefit and puts Quel'thalas at risk of retaliation.

I agree with this assessment. In fact, were I to RP, this would be my personal opinion too. Conquering the tree was fine, burning it was too far.

Too many people underestimate the depths to which the Night Elves and Blood Elves REALLY don't like each other. They offer completely different perspectives on what Elf kind should be and how it should behave and each despises the other's philosophy.

Yes, Kael helped Malfurion and Tyrande in Warcraft 3, but Kael was also the rare High Elf who enjoyed meeting other cultures and exploring the exotic. He was open minded in a way his (previously) much more closed minded people disapproved of AND let him know about (which fed the insecurity that led to him making some seriously bad choices...).

As for Malfurion and HIS world view, this guy spends half of his life asleep. He wasn't even aware of the fact that the Night Elves had launched destabilizing missions into Quel'thalas several years ago, an eye blink for Elves, instead pontificating on Night Elven moral superiority whilst being unaware of his own hypocrisy (which is the only way to square the Author's admitted mistake. Unfortunately it ends up undermining Malfurion's speech entirely but that's the outcome if you miss something in research).

I am sure the Blood Elves in general have no problem conquering Teldrassil, but like most races in the Horde they probably think burning it was a step too far.

[Sangris]

Except the night elves weren’t the ones who tempered with the shield. The quest even told you that they weren’t, they were monitering the effects of the tempered stones.

Ah yes, they silently monitored it and attacked every Blood Elf on sight and even attacked their outposts. Night Elves are such saints.
And even IF that were true, then why not warn the Blood Elves of these malfunctions? They could have easily improved relations and that would very likely have caused the Blood Elves to rejoin the Alliance.
Instead they occupy territory and attack any Blood Elf unfortunate enough to find their way to their base.

[baskev]

Ive seen a lot of discussion about how the Tauren and horde druid would be in uproar over the burning and decimation of the World Tree but not really any mention of their close kin the former High elves since renamed Blood Elves after an undead warlord destroyed their home. I kinda feel they might have a pretty negative view of what is going on.

yup...only difference between the 2 is that 1 had a penis and the new one has boobs...only reason why she is not yet called the lich queen.

[Malikath]

The NPC in question is a Darnassian Scout. There are sentinels camped out around one of the wards in ghostlands. The night elves have an additional invasion camp complete with Sentinels and Druids in ghostlands. Its very specifically the night elves attacking Quel'thalas.

i know what the NPC is called, darnassian simply denotes he's a night elf.
the fact he's working with a dwarf shows he has more general alliance ties then distinctly night elf, and the rest of the night elves involved are explicitly stated sentinels.
no it isn't, they're hostile because the blood elves at the time of the burning crusade was still in allegiance to illidan.
it's never even implied it was the night elves who were tampering with the wards.

[Mace]

Ive seen a lot of discussion about how the Tauren and horde druid would be in uproar over the burning and decimation of the World Tree but not really any mention of their close kin the former High elves since renamed Blood Elves after an undead warlord destroyed their home. I kinda feel they might have a pretty negative view of what is going on.

Considering how blizzard took the time to show a lot of blood elf NPCs on the ground, yet nightborne are completely absent should tell you something. They also took the time to showcase Lorash as an example of the hatred and grudges some thalasians hold towards that particular night elf group.

It's not to say ALL blood elves would feel that way. Given how they have portrayed blood elves overall, there are bound to be some mortified by whathatat happens, however you could say a large enough number are fully onboard with it.

As far as attacking the Kaldorei and occupying Teldrassil go? The Blood Elves were likely entirely on board after what the Kaldorei tried to do with their invasion of Quel'thalas back before they joined the Horde.

That was not an invasion in the Ghostlands, it was reconaissance specifically to check if the blood elves had gone all demon crazy, not to wipe them out nor claim their land.

[Aeula]

That was not an invasion in the Ghostlands, it was reconaissance specifically to check if the blood elves had gone all demon crazy, not to wipe them out nor claim their land.

Attacks, sabotage, claiming Thalassian land and setting up a military base in the Ghostlands? I don't care why the invading, the fact is that they were invading.

[Friendlyimmolation]

they definitely want to redeem daelin, especially since most of the new generation of orcs supported garrosh after he bombed azeroth.
the goblins and dragonmaw went along as well which echoed the first and second wars orcish horde.

The new generation of Orcs grew up in camps They hate humans because of that. The cycle of hatred continues ever onward.

[shade076]

i know what the NPC is called, darnassian simply denotes he's a night elf.
the fact he's working with a dwarf shows he has more general alliance ties then distinctly night elf, and the rest of the night elves involved are explicitly stated sentinels.
no it isn't, they're hostile because the blood elves at the time of the burning crusade was still in allegiance to illidan.
it's never even implied it was the night elves who were tampering with the wards.

Its irrelevant but if it was supposed to be a member of SI:7 it would say that in the name like every other SI:7 mob, and different races would be spawning. Darnassian denotes that the scout is part of the Darnassian military (its faction tagged to darnassus not stormwind like SI:7). Other than the single dwarf in Eversong Woods the encroachment on Blood Elf Territory is exclusively Night Elven. Night elves reasons for encroachment arent really important of the purposes of this thread. The night elves are encamped in sovereign territory (they have and established staging points with ships), and are actively spying on blood elven activities. The animosity between these two races was extremely clear in these starting quests alone.

[Mace]

Attacks, sabotage, claiming Thalassian land and setting up a military base in the Ghostlands? I don't care why the invading, the fact is that they were invading.

They weren't claiming Thalassian land, show me one piece of text or evidence that shows this. They were monitoring and spying. Doing so was not appreciated - that is not how you treat allies so the blood elves responded with deadly force. But it was no invasion or land grab.

[Aeula]

They weren't claiming Thalassian land, show me one piece of text or evidence that shows this. They were monitoring and spying. Doing so was not appreciated - that is not how you treat allies so the blood elves responded with deadly force. But it was no invasion or land grab.

The island off the coast of the Ghostlands. The military base from which they launched their attacks. It wasn't some short-term thing either since they set up a moonwell.

[shade076]

They certainly weren't planning a siege on silvermoon, but to I feel the night elves constituted an minor invasion force. They have soldiers on the ground, warships, and two bases established in enemy territory. They are sending the Darnassian scouts up ghostlands and into Eversong woods.

Hypothetically if North Koreans moved ships and established a military camp on a Japanese coast it would be considered an invasion regardless of what they were doing there.

[Soon-TM]

this war is beyond idiotic at this point.

Indeed. And if the whole story of B4A is going to be based on this idiotic war... /shudder

[Kallisto]

Except the night elves weren’t the ones who tempered with the shield. The quest even told you that they weren’t, they were monitering the effects of the tempered stones. Hell, if anything we could eventually find out it was the Forsaken who tempered with them to put the BE’s in a vulnerable position and then offer them aid.

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Sylvanas was most likely banging her own human.... /looks @Nathanos

Soooo much potential.

No the quest giver mocks the idea of Night elves getting to the Sanctum, due to high and mighty Sin'dorei mindset. But they were there and it's only logical they are there to damage it.

Also said quest plus extra quests in ghostlands proves malfurion was lying to Lorash

[ravenmoon]

No the quest giver mocks the idea of Night elves getting to the Sanctum, due to high and mighty Sin'dorei mindset. But they were there and it's only logical they are there to damage it.

Also said quest plus extra quests in ghostlands proves malfurion was lying to Lorash

But he wasn't. This are two perspectives in this game remember. Most conflict is designed like that, you shoukd know this if you have followed wow for years. From the night elf pov, the Ghostlands was not an invasion. The aim was not to conquer or claim land but to investigate troublimg reports and rumours that could not be ignored ...were the blood elves courting with demonic powers and demons like the highborne they are from did in the wotA? You can imagine them being like "we must find out for sure if this is true, rather than just jump to conclusions, but come prepared.

The quests show this was an investigation not an invasion at least from the night elf point of view if you had been following the story and pre-expansion event - the website had greater info too at the time, as well as interviews etc. In game, you just have 1 ship, a few sentinels to protect, not invade - to the night elves, are the blood elves friendly or hostile? We need to find out if the rumours of demons are true, come prepared as we have no idea what we will find.

There are no siege weapons, no army, no conquest strategies. Maps are about locations to set up monitoring posts, not strategies of invasion like in Kalimdor for BfA

But from the blood elf perspective, this doesn't matter, they already hate the night elves, and an uninvited armed company is caught is considered an act of aggression and is responded to in kind. The malfunctioning sanctum is placed at the feet of the Darnassian spy, though we never see him actually do anything with intent to sabotage, but it drives the narrative and gives an extra reason for the blood elves to attack.

It is worth noting the Darnassians are not seen to go out to attack the blood elves either, they are not written to start invading, and killing blood elves and claiming the territory.

The blood elves also know this, but to the, this is irrelevant, especially with potential new allies watching. The night elves are there in a joint alliance effort too. The dwarf is out in the open, the night elves are backing him as cover as they are determining where the blood elves stand and if they have truly given in to demons.

Blood elves understanbly pissed by this lack of trust, they have no idea what the Prince has really been up to, so don't understand the actions of their allies, who are acting on the Intel concerning Kael'thas and Illidan from TFT. Most blood elves don't know, therefore the alliance actions are viewed as a betrayal from allies.

There is nuance and 2 sides all the time. Malfurion is spot on from the night elf point of view, but blood elves won't see it that way.

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I agree with this assessment. In fact, were I to RP, this would be my personal opinion too. Conquering the tree was fine, burning it was too far.

Too many people underestimate the depths to which the Night Elves and Blood Elves REALLY don't like each other. They offer completely different perspectives on what Elf kind should be and how it should

I disagree, the level of hate is not equal. The blood elves have been shown to hate the night elves a lot more than the other way around. It just seems equal because the main story is told from a horde perspective.

Traditionally in wow the horde have always had a far more massive issue with the alliance than the other way around. You would know this if you were truly neutral and paid close attention to both sides rather than your favourite. Most horde quests in classic were about the alliance and hitting them, most alliance quests were about the troubles and stirri vs of the world and what was going on them. This carries through, we see several times night elves written to get along with blood elves, and they are not all unfriendly too, we get constant hate from blood elves to night elves.

While there is night elf dislike towards blood elves, most of the hate and aggression is coming from the horde elf.

[Alixie]

Funny seeing people using a few Night Elf spies in the Ghostlands as justification for destroying a city and genocide. I guess Velen would be justified if he destroyed Silvermoon with the Vindicaar, because of the hostile actions of the Sunfury Blood Elves. Hijacking and sabotaging the Exodar, and killing them on Bloodmyst Isle. They've since been re-admitted back to Silvermoon by Lor'Themar.


Anyway. I wonder how Lidrian feels about literally re-enacting the invasion of Silvermoon. Following an undead warlord, invading elven lands, destroying their capital city, and wiping out most of their population.

[Obelisk Kai]

I disagree, the level of hate is not equal. The blood elves have been shown to hate the night elves a lot more than the other way around. It just seems equal because the main story is told from a horde perspective.

Malfurion, as has been demonstrated, was an almost legendary figure to the Night Elves, and his aloof nature best showed in how out of touch he was with what his people were actually doing. After all, he claimed that the Night Elves hadn't attacked the Blood Elves' homes when a few years ago they did exactly that. He is aloof from his people, and is best not used as a guide of how they think.

Maiev Shadowsong said "Blood elves and naga! Your bastard races are an affront to everything the night elves stand for!"

And we also know that when the two groups were insulting each other prior to the attack on Suramar, the Night Elves chose to mock the Blood Elves' addiction to magic.

To argue that the hate is a one way street is unreasonable and implies a moral superiority that the Night Elves do not deserve to have. Night Elves hate Elven magic users, we know this from the distrust they hold the Highborne in which is specifically mentioned in Elegy and displayed in game. The Blood Elves and Nightborne, the descendants of the Highborne, are races whose very nature has been changed by magic. They have been shown nothing but contempt from Night Elf leaders.

Traditionally in wow the horde have always had a far more massive issue with the alliance than the other way around. You would know this if you were truly neutral and paid close attention to both sides rather than your favourite.

I have played both factions, though I do have a favorite. However, to claim that the Alliance is not as obsessed with beating the Horde as the other way around is not true. For example, Genn has been particularly vocal and active in pursuing an anti Horde agenda whenever he can. Stormheim shows an Alliance character launching an assassination attempt on the Horde Warchief without provocation in the middle of the Legion invasion. He literally risked starting a faction war while the world was in mortal peril. And the fact he went unpunished for such an action, beyond a verbal rebuke from Anduin, was key to Sylvanas persuading Saurfang to back her invasion of Teldrassil plans by making him doubt the peace with the Alliance would hold.

Grand Admiral Jes-Tereth in the Before the Storm book instantly talked about crushing the Horde once they understood Azerite.

Jaina Proudmoore quit Dalaran rather than work with the Horde during the Legion invasion.

So I don't accept this further claim to moral superiority you are pushing. There are plenty of major Alliance NPCs who are obsessed with beating the Horde, even at risk to the world itself.

Most horde quests in classic were about the alliance and hitting them, most alliance quests were about the troubles and stirri vs of the world and what was going on them.

The Horde had two levelling paths in Vanilla, one through the Barrens, one through Silverpine and Hillsbrad. The later led to conflict with the Alliance in Hillsbrad, the other to conflict with the Alliance in the Barrens in the form of the Dwarves. The humans had three levelling paths, and of those three only the Night Elven path really interacted with the Horde in Stonetalon and in Ashenvale. The Human and Dwarf levelling paths merged soon after they began, and were really focused on the southern Eastern Kingdoms were the Horde had little presence. I believe there was a clan of Orcs in the wetlands, but they were unaffilitated with the Horde at the time.

Still, this is less a deliberate focus of the sides than an accident of geography.

This carries through, we see several times night elves written to get along with blood elves, and they are not all unfriendly too, we get constant hate from blood elves to night elves.

While there is night elf dislike towards blood elves, most of the hate and aggression is coming from the horde elf.

Individuals capable of overcoming racial animus to work with other people is true of both factions. Kael'thas for example was very helpful to Malfurion and Tyrande. But we are talking generalities here. Besides, the spark of Blood Elf hate towards the Night Elves was their forced exile. If Night Elves lacked a reason to do more than 'dislike' the Blood Elves, the Undead ELVEN warchief of the Horde has now fixed that.

[Sigxy]

I agree with this assessment. In fact, were I to RP, this would be my personal opinion too. Conquering the tree was fine, burning it was too far.

As someone who do RP a blood elven Blood Knight, that is pretty much my character's view.

[davesurfer]

Still salty you dont have high elves, sylvanas was their ranger general giving her life to defend quel'thalas while her 2 sisters was off banging humans

Nathanos much?

She banged him and gave him a job