Man convicted of punching neo-Nazi ordered to pay $1 fine

[Cthulhu 2020]

Dog training.

Woof woof.

Oh shit you're banned. Damn...

[cubby]

and antifa are brown shirts of commies. Why are you defending them? Would you punch Stalin?

It's adorable that you think antifa is anything more than just a creation of the alt-right. And if it was a leftist movement, it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with Stalin. Because he was so big on individual rights and freedoms, right?

[Spiffums]

So the legal system has set precedent that it is ok to assault people whose opinion and views differ from your own?

[kail]

Lol, why not use an even more outlandish example? If you're going to go off the rails, go big, right?

Why are people having a problem with citizens attacking people who literally want to be Hitler? Did you forget about WWII?

Because assault is assault. I'm not saying every case of one punching another should be punished equally, but this case is setting a terrible precedent for those who want to use violence against speech.

Also, WWII has nothing to do with this. Nazis in WWII are effectively extinct by now and have committed inhumane attrocities. I hate giving them any praise but the Nazis back then we're at least professional in their conquest, nothing like the LARPers today.

[Mistame]

The picture specifically targets the woman as the one that "refuses to go down smoothly being a bad thing" because of the facial expressions in the picture.

The picture uses a woman as an example. It does not target her gender. I realize this is hard for some people to grasp, but something has to be gender-based to be sexist.

It is not a "gender neutral" message with the picture provided.

Yes, it is. The text is the message. The picture is intended to be a (comical) example of that message.

And accidentally posting something sexist isn't an argument against it ending up being sexist.

Except the part where it's not sexist. Nothing in that ad targets the woman because she's a woman, which is what is required for it to be sexism. If it was two guys or two girls, would it be "sexist"? What if the guy and girl were swapped, would it be "sexist" then? If not, then it's not "sexist". Period. It doesn't magically become sexist because the alleged "victim" is a woman. That logic would actually be sexist.

The photo is not "incidental"...it's part of the ad campaign.

Except that is. Yes, it's "part" of the ad, but only in the context of demonstrating that some people are resistant to oral sex. It does not target women and it does not target the woman in the photo because she's a woman. The people in the photo are irrelevant to the message the ad delivers.

[Thuunda]

The funny thing about all of this siding the Lefties do with extremist is that it creates legal precedent which will ultimately backfire

I'm sorry, but left or right, it doesnt matter, fuck nazis.

[pinelakias]

Should we start a gofundme to support the poor guy? I mean, 1$ for punching a neo-nazi? That's a dollar too much.

[cubby]

Because assault is assault. I'm not saying every case of one punching another should be punished equally, but this case is setting a terrible precedent for those who want to use violence against speech.

Assault is NOT just assault. It's not a terrible precedent, because it's not just free speech. These people are towing a line of violence, hatred, and racism. We will stand for none of those things. And before you say "but they were violent too!" - remember WWII.

Also, WWII has nothing to do with this. Nazis in WWII are effectively extinct by now and have committed inhumane attrocities. I hate giving them any praise but the Nazis back then we're at least professional in their conquest, nothing like the LARPers today.

It has everything to do with WWII and Hitler. They are Hitler wanna bes, period. Know how we know? Neo-NAZI - big giveaway. I don't care if they are shitty at it (and good point about the Nazi's back then being at least professional) - they are still Nazi's. And we don't put up with that shit, ever.

[PACOX]

So the legal system has set precedent that it is ok to assault people whose opinion and views differ from your own?

No it didn't. They found him guilty and he had to pay a fine. Not sure why people keep looking over that key information.


Also context, context, context. We are judged by a jury of our peers because in the US legal system, context matters.

[pinelakias]

So the legal system has set precedent that it is ok to assault people whose opinion and views differ from your own?

No, their opinions are not "different" than ours, they are just dangerous to our society. Let's say that we traveled back in 1930 and you punched an officer of the third reich. Would anyone give a fuck or say something negative because you punched the shithead? No. Just because the Neo-nazi has not been part of a war, it doesn't make him less of a criminal.

[PACOX]

Also, WWII has nothing to do with this. Nazis in WWII are effectively extinct by now and have committed inhumane attrocities. I hate giving them any praise but the Nazis back then we're at least professional in their conquest, nothing like the LARPers today.

Tell people who have been beaten and killed by Nazis, Neo-Nazis, and their White Nationalists cousins that that ideology ended with WW2. I bet people on the receiving end of their hate crimes wish they were just dealing with some LARPers.

[cubby]

So the legal system has set precedent that it is ok to assault people whose opinion and views differ from your own?

Found guilty by a jury of his peers. If you're uncomfortable with the democratic process, maybe you should talk to the neo-nazis. They sure want to make some changes.

[Cizr]

It's adorable that you think antifa is anything more than just a creation of the alt-right. And if it was a leftist movement, it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with Stalin. Because he was so big on individual rights and freedoms, right?

I see you dont know anything about antifa or its origins

[cubby]

I see you dont know anything about antifa or its origins

I see you don't know the difference between the leftist movement in the United States and Stalin.

[Cizr]

I see you don't know the difference between the leftist movement in the United States and Stalin.

I see that today you learned how antifa are linked to commies. You are welcome

[cubby]

I see that today you learned how antifa are linked to commies. You are welcome

And I see today you are capable of forgetting things you've already quoted. It's a shame you forgot I mentioned Stalin and commies previously.

[Spiffums]

No, their opinions are not "different" than ours, they are just dangerous to our society. Let's say that we traveled back in 1930 and you punched an officer of the third reich. Would anyone give a fuck or say something negative because you punched the shithead? No. Just because the Neo-nazi has not been part of a war, it doesn't make him less of a criminal.

I've never seen white neo nazis burning neighbors and looting stores.

As to the why would anyone give a fuck if you punched the shithead...why would anyone give a fuck if people beat gays or blacks? Aren't we all supposed to be protected by the same rules of a civil society? Remember it swings both ways but I guess some people just can't control themselves to act civil until someone attacks them instead of just not liking how they think.

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No it didn't. They found him guilty and he had to pay a fine. Not sure why people keep looking over that key information.


Also context, context, context. We are judged by a jury of our peers because in the US legal system, context matters.

Probably because a $1 fine is a fucking joke. Justice was not served with a $1 fine for attacking someone because you disagree with their politics. How would you feel if someone got a $1 fine for beating up a gay person? You'd be pissed as hell. The point is the fine wasn't applied fairly and evenly.

[frymastermeat]

In well organised countries he would end up in prison for atleast 180 days where he would learn some respect for other human beings.In US they got 1$ fine.Pathetic.

That the U.S. doesn't punish enough people with jailtime is something that only a person who lives in a basement could possibly believe.

[endersblade]

So there is a judge saying that it's okay to physically assault someone so long as they have an ideology you don't like and / or you are emotionally worked up by what they are saying.

This judge probably should be removed. We don't need progressive morality dispensing justice arbitrarily.

This. Judge obviously wasn't unbiased.

[PACOX]

Probably because a $1 fine is a fucking joke. Justice was not served with a $1 fine for attacking someone because you disagree with their politics. How would you feel if someone got a $1 fine for beating up a gay person? You'd be pissed as hell. The point is the fine wasn't applied fairly and evenly.

Still ignoring context. Context, intent, motivation, severity, key parts of the US justice system.

Still ignoring that they left the man with a assault conviction, which can and will hurt you on the job market.

How much time do you think someone should get for a punch? It would have been a fine regardless of who he punched. Let's say he punched the same man but the jury fined him $100. He punched a 'Unite the Right' organizer the day after a bunch of people were ran over at the event. People would have opened a go fund me in his name and he would have profited from it.
Turns out people don't like Nazis.

Also comparing what the man did to punching a person because they are black or gay is a false equivalence. Being black or gay isn't an ideology (or a choice). Being a Nazi means you subscribe to a minimum of certain opinions towards others.