Is it time for Blizzard to move beyond Alliance vs Horde?

[Deleted]

It would also potentially give WoW a fairly strong effective population boost for the very long term.

What? How the fck can u say that, you wouldn’t possibly know? What a stupid comment to come with…

[Ealyssa]

The faction conflict should have been resolved before WoW after WC3. In alpha you could communicate and group with opposing faction members. WoW never should have shipped with a faction conflict.

Yep, when wow was first annouced they said you could learn the language of other races to be able to communicate with them.

My mind was blown back then, what an amazing idea. Sadly scrapped with all the political nuance and replaced with a stupid red VS blue which actually is NOT a warcraft thing, only a wow thing.

[SinR]

Yes. Faction War is boring.

[Eurhetemec]

What? How the fck can u say that, you wouldn’t possibly know? What a stupid comment to come with…

Oh. My. God.

We just found someone who doesn't get that 1+1 = 2. And he's calling people "stupid"! Good Christ, talk about Dunning-Kruger. Dude, try and think about what an "effective population boost" is. Go on. You can do it!

No? Well, let me explain.

If there are X players on Alliance, and Y players on Horde (probably quite similar number), and the situation changes so you can group with both X & Y, nor just X or Y, then it's like the effective population of WoW (or of your server, server group, whatever) is X+Y, instead of X or Y.

[Tic Tacs]

Are we talking in terms of lore? Yes, there should be Horde vs Alliance otherwise what the point of factions...

What we have in-game right now is on average 5 horde on 1 alliance player, so not much faction war going on there. Game-wise speaking Boralus would be perma capped by horde if there was such a thing.

[Deleted]

it should've been Azeroth vs Legion since Cataclysm, this whole war is so needless and wasteful :|

I have no interest in faction fighting, guess WoW isn't for me.

[roahn the warlock]

I feel that in this expansion, the devs could finally resolve the faction conflict if they really wanted to. The result would be that factions don't matter for gameplay and we'd be back to the Warcraft 3 days of tentative peace as far as the story goes.

PvP doesn't require factions. There are plenty of MMOs without factions that still have PvP, including other Blizzard titles. If people want to PvP out in the world, they can play in war mode and attack anyone they aren't grouped with, like how the Legion wpvp zones used to work. Battlegrounds could either still separate Alliance and Horde since they are set in the past, or they could place players on a random side to keep queue times short for everyone.

I honestly though this is where we were going with class halls. It seems so frikkin weird that I hung out with horde for an entire expack and now have to kill them because one faction leader said so? It also seems ridiculous that after all this time the Horde still answers to only one faction leader. Like, they are supposed to be an Alliance, how does Bane have no say, how does Lore'themar not have any autonomy? Which brings me to the Alliance. I can see having one leader in times of conflict, but that's like saying FDR was the supreme leader of the Allied forces and England, Canada, China, and Russia all had to do whatever FDR said. It's stupid. The fact that Tyrande kneels to an 18 year old is stupid. End the war, make friendly, progress the story.

[Deleted]

Oh. My. God.

We just found someone who doesn't get that 1+1 = 2. And he's calling people "stupid"! Good Christ, talk about Dunning-Kruger. Dude, try and think about what an "effective population boost" is. Go on. You can do it!

No? Well, let me explain.

If there are X players on Alliance, and Y players on Horde (probably quite similar number), and the situation changes so you can group with both X & Y, nor just X or Y, then it's like the effective population of WoW (or of your server, server group, whatever) is X+Y, instead of X or Y.

And you don’t think we would lose X players because of this change? U as stupid as the other guy.. Please go back to school! Most players are here for the Warcraft franchise.. clueless..

[oblakoff]

After systematically removing all the flavor from the game i can see this happening.

Just make it calculator sim and be done with it.

[Eurhetemec]

And you don’t think we would lose X players because of this change? U as stupid as the other guy.. Please go back to school! Most players are here for the Warcraft franchise.. clueless..

Oh damn son, nice try, but you failed maths, and if you think 50% of players would quit because of this, well, you're wrong.

[Deleted]

Oh damn son, nice try, but you failed maths, and if you think 50% of players would quit because of this, well, you're wrong.

Doesn't have to be 50% to hurt the community it would destroy everything world of Warcraft is.. please go back to high school.. With your horrible ideas..

[Nathasil]

Blizzard moved past Alliance vs Horde 10 years ago. It's been "For the Horde" since. This current expansion is just the official confirmation of it.

Doesn't have to be 50% to hurt the community it would destroy everything world of Warcraft is.. please go back to high school.. With your horrible ideas..

You haven't been playing this expansion, have you? Also, where do you get 50% from? It's more like 20:80 at this point.

[Deleted]

You haven't been playing this expansion, have you? Also, where do you get 50% from? It's more like 20:80 at this point.

Are u even reading the posts before you open your mouth? Clearly you don’t know what we were talking about.

[Broken Fox]

No, and it never will be. Horde vs Alliance is one of the fundamentals of the game. To say otherwise is delusional wishful thinking on the part of carebears.

[Ungeir]

No, and it never will be. Horde vs Alliance is one of the fundamentals of the game. To say otherwise is delusional wishful thinking on the part of carebears.

Carebears? World PvP has become optional. Battlegrounds put random Horde players on the Alliance side to make up for the numbers problem. Warfronts are 100% PvE content. The game is by default a carebear experience as it is now.

Getting rid of Alliance vs Horde would allow for more world PvP, not less.

[Broken Fox]

Carebears? World PvP has become optional. Battlegrounds put random Horde players on the Alliance side to make up for the numbers problem. Warfronts are 100% PvE content. The game is by default a carebear experience as it is now.

Getting rid of Alliance vs Horde would allow for more world PvP, not less.

What PVP would there be if everyone was playing footsie on the same side? And PVE/PVP servers existed since day 1, world PVP was always optional.

The idea is trash, let it go. It's in the dumpster with playable high elves.

[Nefarious Tea]

Yes. Faction conflict is idiotic, especially after Wrath, Cata, WoD, and Legion's worth of cooperation.

It also divides the playerbase, and creates false us v. them mentality - the same kind of mentality that saw the US elect a president who is only not labelled a nazi because he hates Mexicans and not Jews. This mentality has no place in a game in these times.

[Deleted]

That is the plan for the next expansion, I'm betting. This is just the final eruption between factions which permanent truce will be made afterwards. Sylvanas will die. She has to, in order for this to happen.

Not gonna happen, for one Sylvanas already died three times and second Blizzard CANT kill of another horde leader.
PLUS NO ONE in the horde is gonna follow those wimps from the alliance. And forth its called World of WARcraft....

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She started the war to wipe out alliance. Those kind of characters never have plot armor. She's gone ape shit, true horde hates her secretly. She ain't gonna live for much longer. Saurfang is the next Warchief as he is the only one who "gets it"

ROFLMAO Saurfang is gonna die this xpac a "HERO" death....

[Weeps]

Not gonna happen, for one Sylvanas already died three times and second Blizzard CANT kill of another horde leader.
PLUS NO ONE in the horde is gonna follow those wimps from the alliance. And forth its called World of WARcraft....

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ROFLMAO Saurfang is gonna die this xpac a "HERO" death....

One way to find out

If they wanted Saurfang dead, he’d already be dead.

[Deleted]

But, the same is not true if the factions were to unnoficially unite, merging the pool of players for shorter queues and no more faction inbalance.

WHAT? because you throw the people of both factions together you suddenly have more tanks and healers? what kind of logic is that????

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With dwindling playerbase they don't have much choice, faction content is too expensive.

proof for that claim, please?

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If they wanted Saurfang dead, he’d already be dead.

We are just at the start of bfa so just wait and see....