"He is your true creator"

[Powerogue]

"Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator." -Emerald Nightmare boss

I was playing Uldir the other day and noticed the trash in one of the rooms: oozelings of corrupted blood, taking the shape of...various animals? Unstable, sure, but we've never seen them do that before. Then I remembered something Xal'atath said...

"The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins."

Simply put: I think the old gods created all life. Not just corrupting titan constructs, but literally everything else. Discuss?

[Raetary]

Those animals were experimented upon by the titans.

They were then corrupted by g'huun, its blood didnt form into them.

[Amaterasu65]

Considering the Curse of Flesh made all those Titan constructs gain flesh and become human in all aspects, you could say that most races are how they are because of the Old Gods.

[rogoth]

yogg-saron created the 'curse of flesh' he was also responsible for the emerald nightmare, it was only because of him that we are even in this mess to begin with.

[Flarelaine]

Considering the Curse of Flesh made all those Titan constructs gain flesh and become human in all aspects, you could say that most races are how they are because of the Old Gods.

Partly. Most races are a balance between Order (the Titans) and Chaos (Old Gods). Just like one of Legion's themes was finding the balance between Light and Shadow.

[DesoPL]

Partly. Most races are a balance between Order (the Titans) and Chaos (Old Gods). Just like one of Legion's themes was finding the balance between Light and Shadow.

But according to NPC's in Drustvar in Barrowknol Cementery where you doing quests, the balance is gone forever because we defeated burning legion.

[Nefarious Tea]

"Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator." -Emerald Nightmare boss

I was playing Uldir the other day and noticed the trash in one of the rooms: oozelings of corrupted blood, taking the shape of...various animals? Unstable, sure, but we've never seen them do that before. Then I remembered something Xal'atath said...

"The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins."

Simply put: I think the old gods created all life. Not just corrupting titan constructs, but literally everything else. Discuss?

I think what Xal'atath is suggesting is that Tauren aren't Curse of Flesh'd from a Titan construct, but somehow trace their origin to the Old Gods. Somehow.

However, we know the Night Elves, and the trolls from which they descend, weren't Curse of Flesh'd - though I suppose you could make the argument they're still Titan constructs as they come from life blooming around the original Well of Eternity. Thus, they were directly created, intentionally or not, by Azeroth.

[bufferunderrun]

one thing i never understood is why all the old gods minion/titan watcher/the priest blade never comment on orcs and draenei both aren't native of azeroth and so no tainted by CoF

[Deleted]

Trolls and elves arent from CoF either. I think it's just dwarves, gnomes and humans.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

one thing i never understood is why all the old gods minion/titan watcher/the priest blade never comment on orcs and draenei both aren't native of azeroth and so no tainted by CoF

I never understood why Orcs and Draenei don't get a big "what are you outlander?" every time we interact with such NPC's

[Deleted]

I never understood why Orcs and Draenei don't get a big "what are you outlander?" every time we interact with such NPC's

Why would they? You'd have to believe the Old Gods have been ignorant of everything that's been going on on Azeroth, which obviously isn't the case.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Why would they? You'd have to believe the Old Gods have been ignorant of everything that's been going on on Azeroth, which obviously isn't the case.

I was referring to the titans and titan-constructs.
We're being referred to as Azerothians or children of Azeroth.

You'd think they'd be surprised to see Draenor Orcs or Argussian Eredar on Azeroth, right?

[MechaCThun]

The Old Gods, more specifically Yogg-Saron, created the Curse of Flesh. You could say the Curse of Flesh created "life" in the sense that it transformed many titan-forged into living beings.

Steel became flesh.
Circuits became veins.
Oil became blood.

Not sure if the titan-forged were even sentient and had individual thoughts, feelings... but in a sense you could say Yogg-Saron is God.

[Deleted]

Considering the Curse of Flesh made all those Titan constructs gain flesh and become human in all aspects, you could say that most races are how they are because of the Old Gods.

Yeah, that's probably the intended message. Without the Curse of Flesh the Titan constructs are just robots without personality.

[Unholyground]

Partly. Most races are a balance between Order (the Titans) and Chaos (Old Gods). Just like one of Legion's themes was finding the balance between Light and Shadow.

Chaos is actually Fel which is the twisted version of Arcane.

[Kokolums]

"Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator." -Emerald Nightmare boss

I was playing Uldir the other day and noticed the trash in one of the rooms: oozelings of corrupted blood, taking the shape of...various animals? Unstable, sure, but we've never seen them do that before. Then I remembered something Xal'atath said...

"The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins."

Simply put: I think the old gods created all life. Not just corrupting titan constructs, but literally everything else. Discuss?

I think these are the known events in order:

1. titans arrive and order azeroth, creating mountains and oceans then leave.
2. old gods create the black empire.
3. trolls fight the black empire.
4. titans return, destroy the black empire, kill yshaarj, imprison other old gods, clean up the mess, place watchers, and leave.
5. curse of flesh infect titan constructs, creates dwarves and humans.
6. present day.

events i think are not set on the timeline:

a. arrival of old gods. They could have arrived before or after the titans first visit. If they arrived before, they stayed hidden / undetected. They could have also arrived not all at once but some before and some after the first visit.
b. who created the trolls or tauren. Trolls and tauren may have been created during the first visit by the titans, or by the old gods before or after the titans first visit or by elune, or evolved naturally.
c. elune's arrival.

[Deleted]

How is it that those who think about lore this much never read the associated lore?
That whole room "Chamber of failures"... if i recall correctly... houses beings that came into existance after animals were experiemented on. With the boss inthere being the result of multiple Loa being experimented on.

[Raetary]

I think these are the known events in order:

1. titans arrive and order azeroth, creating mountains and oceans then leave.
2. old gods create the black empire.
3. trolls fight the black empire.
4. titans return, destroy the black empire, kill yshaarj, imprison other old gods, clean up the mess, place watchers, and leave.
5. curse of flesh infect titan constructs, creates dwarves and humans.
6. present day.

events i think are not set on the timeline:

a. arrival of old gods. They could have arrived before or after the titans first visit. If they arrived before, they stayed hidden / undetected. They could have also arrived not all at once but some before and some after the first visit.
b. who created the trolls or tauren. Trolls and tauren may have been created during the first visit by the titans, or by the old gods before or after the titans first visit or by elune, or evolved naturally.
c. elune's arrival.

Except that's not the order.

Its
1. Old gods arrived and built the black empire
2. Aggramar found azeroth and the pantheon cleansed her surface and ordered the planet
3. Trolls etc. Started to appear.
4. Years years later, yogg made the curse of flesh.

The trolls never fought the black empire.
The titans never visited azeroth twice.


The tauren were created by a group of yaungol settling around the WoE, same as with the elves.
The same most likely happened with the pandaren.

[Maljinwo]

Y'all old god spawn better get off my planet!

This is troll land!
Also Yaungol, but we'd rather share this with the Tauren. Maybe Taunka

[Niaraa]

Y'all old god spawn better get off my planet!

This is troll land!
Also Yaungol, but we'd rather share this with the Tauren. Maybe Taunka

maybe all Troll like you are an offspring of G'huun or some old god! who knows? the apparition of Troll are a big question.
i saw a theory which explain Troll are uldir guardian corrupted by blood magic.
but why dont saw any clue of this in Uldir so maybe not!