This is an invasion

[psyquest]

That’s a good point I hadn’t thought about it that way.

In the UK, you can go check litterally any hospital / care home / hospice. A vast percentage of doctors nurses and care assistant are not British. Without them we would not have a health service. Going out, check in hospitality and restaurant (waiters, cooks, hotel staff) , in the UK a vast majority are non British. The crazy thing about the UK is that with brexit, should we get rid of foreigners, we would have no one to do these jobs. In agriculture, fruits and veg pickers are mostly foreigners as well. The UK cannot be a successful economy without immigrant. plain and simple. The sad thing for me is that many do not see it and when they do, it ll be too late.

[Deficineiron]

Uhm...Western society was responsible for the so-called "Dark Ages", specifically the theocratic and tyrant-driven monarchistic power structures that dominated Europe throughout the period. Asian and Middle Eastern countries were experiencing a cultural and scientific boom during the same timeframe, while Central and South American cultures had the most well developed astronomy of the period and are widely believed to have had advanced knowledge of medicinal herbs and general anatomy as well.

*golf claps for your unintentionally hilarious failure to comprehend basic world history and your epic self-own with a poorly aimed insult against non-"Western" peoples*

you are grossly simplifying a very complex topic to fit a targeted narrative. To take one point, you are ignoring the Huns.

Without the huns pushing germanic tribes in front of them to the west and eventually invading the empire themselves, the western empire might have lasted centuries longer (like the eastern did).

Why don't you start there? Who were the huns? Do you agree with gibbons on his idea of their origin? Absent their pressure in eastern europe, how do the various germanic migrations/invasions into western empire change (or do they even happen?? if they do, what is the impetus once the huns aren't there?)

[Cithimun]

I can already imagine how the Chinese would've reacted to something like this. They would've just brought out the tanks and shot them all dead then for fun, they would maim survivors and run them over with tanks as they tried to crawl away to save themselves.

This is just how things have always been in history.

Every advanced civilization has always crumbled to a more crude and violent lesser civilization simply because they do not know or understand how to deal with violence or aggression anymore. Their civilized ways has them perplexed as to how to approach a violent country when all their life, they've dealt with things in a civilized manner. It happened to the Romans, the Greeks, the Ancient Chinese and so on forth.

The Muslim invasion of Europe and the Mexican migration to the US are just the product of advanced civilized countries not understanding how to deal with violent countries anymore. Their expectation is that since they themselves have learned to be civilized, surely, other countries have also learned to be civilized as well and would behave in a civilized manner as well. This expectation is exactly why we have seen a massive spike in immigration and "cultural diversity" in Western civilization.

The Chinese have learned from their mistakes in Ancient China when they were taken over by violent barbarians when they tried to let them in and reason with them. They just shoot anybody who isn't a Chinese national unless you can benefit them in some way, which you won't as an unskilled manual labor worker because they've already got 1.4 billion of those in their country.

I think we need to learn how we dealt with foreign invaders the old fashioned way if we're to preserve our way of life here. Look to the Chinese or the Japanese, they definitely don't fuck around when it comes to foreigners and refugees. With the whole Muslim invasion in Europe, some Muslims thought to try their luck with Japan and only four out of several hundred thousands were allowed in, they were later deported.

Remember, the strong and violent rule while the weak and kind fall. As long as you don't have the will-power to fight off foreign invaders who seek to reap the benefits of your country and force their culture upon you, your country will fall.

[Kalisandra]

That was during the Cold War, everything the US did between 1945 and 1990 was in response to the Soviets.

There was always a communist side and a non-communist side, we always supported the non-communists. Why wouldn't we?

And we won the Cold War, the Soviets are all gone and we're still here.

You really don't know much about the US' behaviour in Central America, do you? Does 'United Fruit' mean anything to you?

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They are not locked up, they are free to leave the camps and go wherever they want, except Australia. They choose to stay in the camps in the hope of eventually being allowed to enter the country and ride the welfare gravy train.

Pretty sure that Aus doesn't give non-citizens welfare, so how are they going to do that, exactly?

[sarahtasher]

I can already imagine how the Chinese would've reacted to something like this. They would've just brought out the tanks and shot them all dead then for fun, they would maim survivors and run them over with tanks as they tried to crawl away to save themselves.

This is just how things have always been in history.

Every advanced civilization has always crumbled to a more crude and violent lesser civilization simply because they do not know or understand how to deal with violence or aggression anymore. Their civilized ways has them perplexed as to how to approach a violent country when all their life, they've dealt with things in a civilized manner. It happened to the Romans, the Greeks, the Ancient Chinese and so on forth.

The Muslim invasion of Europe and the Mexican migration to the US are just the product of advanced civilized countries not understanding how to deal with violent countries anymore. Their expectation is that since they themselves have learned to be civilized, surely, other countries have also learned to be civilized as well and would behave in a civilized manner as well. This expectation is exactly why we have seen a massive spike in immigration and "cultural diversity" in Western civilization.

The Chinese have learned from their mistakes in Ancient China when they were taken over by violent barbarians when they tried to let them in and reason with them. They just shoot anybody who isn't a Chinese national unless you can benefit them in some way, which you won't as an unskilled manual labor worker because they've already got 1.4 billion of those in their country.

I think we need to learn how we dealt with foreign invaders the old fashioned way if we're to preserve our way of life here. Look to the Chinese or the Japanese, they definitely don't fuck around when it comes to foreigners and refugees. With the whole Muslim invasion in Europe, some Muslims thought to try their luck with Japan and only four out of several hundred thousands were allowed in, they were later deported.

Remember, the strong and violent rule while the weak and kind fall. As long as you don't have the will-power to fight off foreign invaders who seek to reap the benefits of your country and force their culture upon you, your country will fall.

Yeah, as you love insults and calling other people animals, rest assured that the only kind of invasion the US army could deal with is, indeed, unharmed people. You don't like invasions where the other guys have tanks and aicraft and might hurt you thus making the whole war business not fun

I also wonder what sort of psychosis you need to suffer to be persuaded that a few thousand manual laborers FROM FRACKING CATHOLIC COUNTRIES, YOU DELUDED BUFFOON are an ''invasion'' that require to be dealt ''American edgelord'' style (aka''UR UR UR DRUP BIG BUMBS ON PEOPLE FROM ABOVE IN PERFECT SAFETY''). Hint : I suspect that's the kind of psychosis that lead people to buy 22 different guns and still not feel safe enough from José the landscaper.

[Vatrilian]

Uhm...Western society was responsible for the so-called "Dark Ages", specifically the theocratic and tyrant-driven monarchistic power structures that dominated Europe throughout the period. Asian and Middle Eastern countries were experiencing a cultural and scientific boom during the same timeframe, while Central and South American cultures had the most well developed astronomy of the period and are widely believed to have had advanced knowledge of medicinal herbs and general anatomy as well.

*golf claps for your unintentionally hilarious failure to comprehend basic world history and your epic self-own with a poorly aimed insult against non-"Western" peoples*

No one is insulting non western cultures just pointing out that it is clear that for the last 300 years it has been responsible for lifting the standard of living the world over and has dominated in every aspect of discovery hence why people want to be here and not stay in their home countries.

[Barnabas]

TFW you destabilize central American nations for the united fruit company and then 50 years later people who live in those nations try to leave their destabilized nations and immigrate to your country and you pretend its not your problem.

I agree we need to invest in that country and put them back to work. Problem is those countries are under military rule so we'd probably have to go in and remove those governments at some point. So history will just repeat itself because those governments refuse to let the country develop which is the main issue here. Trump refusing aid is something those governments dont give a fuck about because they get billions in remittance payments. They send ten thousand people here to work they will more than make up the missing aid they are being refused. Trump isn't very bright, is clueless and loves to pander to dumbasses. His plan so far is gonna be an embarrassment and will never ever achieve the goal of keeping those people in their country.

[Vatrilian]

Yeah, as you love insults and calling other people animals, rest assured that the only kind of invasion the US army could deal with is, indeed, unharmed people. You don't like invasions where the other guys have tanks and aicraft and might hurt you thus making the whole war business not fun

We have the most powerful army ever to exist on the planet. We have saved the world over from Nazis,Communists,terrorists, and have done more humanitarian work than all countries combined.

[sarahtasher]

We have the most powerful army ever to exist on the planet. We have saved the world over from Nazis,Communists,terrorists, and have done more humanitarian work than all countries combined.

Yeah, that's why you have been defeated by third world peasants and goat keepers. You might notice therein that edgelords think the army is solely for shooting at unharmed people-which indeed the US army is extremely good at it. I mean, if you shot at people who might fire back it would far less fun, isn'it ?

[Barnabas]

We have the most powerful army ever to exist on the planet. We have saved the world over from Nazis,Communists,terrorists, and have done more humanitarian work than all countries combined.

What is that army gonna do when scores of reporters with camera film those people crossing the border? Once the confrontation happens and the cameras suddenly go offline it will start a shit storm. This entire thing is optics.

[sarahtasher]

I agree we need to invest in that country and put them back to work. Problem is those countries are under military rule so we'd probably have to go in and remove those governments at some point. So history will just repeat itself because those governments refuse to let the country develop which is the main issue here. Trump refusing aid is something those governments dont give a fuck about because they get billions in remittance payments. They send ten thousand people here to work they will more than make up the missing aid they are being refused. Trump isn't very bright, is clueless and loves to pander to dumbasses. His plan so far is gonna be an embarrassment and will never ever achieve the goal of keeping those people in their country.

Ah yes, another American edgelord speciality : complaining that the filthy non whites are getting paid instead of being whipped and shackled. You did not got the memo about the fireeaters getting their holy institution rammed in their arses ?

[Barnabas]

Ah yes, another American edgelord speciality : complaining that the filthy non whites are getting paid instead of being whipped and shackled. You did not got the memo about the fireeaters getting their holy institution rammed in their arses ?

No I'm complaining that after 50 years those governments still haven't managed to develop their fucking country. Can you read or are you that obtuse?

[RickJamesLich]

This issue really highlights the problem with immigration in our country - people abuse the claim of seeking asylum and justify it by saying "well my country sucks". Aside from Mexico already offering these people asylum and the caravan not being interested, I don't feel the US is always obligated to take people just because the country they live in is awful.

[sarahtasher]

No I'm complaining that after 50 years those governments still haven't managed to develop their fucking country. Can you read or are you that obtuse?

Well, for instance, some very bright geniuses funded various dictatorships who management style outside ''kill opponents'' was whimsical. In the present days, a mysterious country who identity I will left you guess is for instance pouring billions upon billions each year to Mexican criminals gangs, as well as weapons, for the sole purpose of shipping to this mysterious country drugs that are consumed by the citizens of this country-the Mexicans just have to pay for being in the way.

[Barnabas]

Well, for instance, some very bright geniuses funded various dictatorships who management style outside ''kill opponents'' was whimsical. In the present days, a mysterious country who identity I will left you guess is for instance pouring billions upon billions each year to Mexican criminals gangs, as well as weapons, for the sole purpose of shipping to this mysterious country drugs that are consumed by the citizens of this country-the Mexicans just have to pay for being in the way.

No the USA is their salvation not the problem. The problems are many in Honduras and with migration issues they will never be able to develop their country. I'm all for building schools there if that is what it takes so they stay there and bring their country into the 21st century. That country alone gets 4 billion per year in remittance payments and it all probably goes to fighting the crime problem and corruption rather than trying to educate people to lift the country up.

[sarahtasher]

No the USA is their salvation not the problem. The problems are many in Honduras and with migration issues they will never be able to develop their country. I'm all for building schools there if that is what it takes so they stay there and bring their country into the 21st century. That country alone gets 4 billion per year in remittance payments and it all probably goes to fighting the crime problem rather than trying to educate people to lift the country up.

Yes, yes, yes, if only like in the good old times of the South some mysterious ways could be find to make them work without paying them...

[Nalera]

I can already imagine how the Chinese would've reacted to something like this. They would've just brought out the tanks and shot them all dead then for fun, they would maim survivors and run them over with tanks as they tried to crawl away to save themselves.

This is just how things have always been in history.

Every advanced civilization has always crumbled to a more crude and violent lesser civilization simply because they do not know or understand how to deal with violence or aggression anymore. Their civilized ways has them perplexed as to how to approach a violent country when all their life, they've dealt with things in a civilized manner. It happened to the Romans, the Greeks, the Ancient Chinese and so on forth.

The Muslim invasion of Europe and the Mexican migration to the US are just the product of advanced civilized countries not understanding how to deal with violent countries anymore. Their expectation is that since they themselves have learned to be civilized, surely, other countries have also learned to be civilized as well and would behave in a civilized manner as well. This expectation is exactly why we have seen a massive spike in immigration and "cultural diversity" in Western civilization.

The Chinese have learned from their mistakes in Ancient China when they were taken over by violent barbarians when they tried to let them in and reason with them. They just shoot anybody who isn't a Chinese national unless you can benefit them in some way, which you won't as an unskilled manual labor worker because they've already got 1.4 billion of those in their country.

I think we need to learn how we dealt with foreign invaders the old fashioned way if we're to preserve our way of life here. Look to the Chinese or the Japanese, they definitely don't fuck around when it comes to foreigners and refugees. With the whole Muslim invasion in Europe, some Muslims thought to try their luck with Japan and only four out of several hundred thousands were allowed in, they were later deported.

Remember, the strong and violent rule while the weak and kind fall. As long as you don't have the will-power to fight off foreign invaders who seek to reap the benefits of your country and force their culture upon you, your country will fall.

Not only this but Europe actually believes they are making change and helping the world. Does Europe actually believe they are helping Africa and the Middle East because they can take 1.5+ million immigrants? By the year 2050 their were be an extra billion people in Africa in incredible poverty, the fastest growing continent on the planet by far. It doesn't matter if Europe took 100 million immigrants from Africa or the Middle East, it would not even come close to solving the issues that face those places. On the other hand, mass immigration is incredibly destabilizing and chaotic for Europe, shirking responsibility onto a native population who are similarly trying to live their own lives. The fact that this simple arithmetic alludes most of Europe, bar Hungary and Poland, is absolutely astonishing.

Mass immigration by definition is a stopgap measure thought up by those with small imaginations who would rather do what is nice than what is right. Mass immigration will be one of the largest issues of our generation, and I don't see anyone even attempting to solve the issue seriosuly.

[Barnabas]

Yes, yes, yes, if only like in the good old times of the South some mysterious ways could be find to make them work without paying them...

You are a dumbass of the most epic of proportions. That is what your replies so far have told me. You are welcome to change my mind but I don't think you want to. There really isn't much else to say at this point.

[DinardJoulien]

No one has to donate more, pay more taxes specifically for humanitarian services.

But those money are not infinite.

[Unholyground]

But those money are not infinite.

No one said they were. Too much is wasted on other things.