This is an invasion

[Daelak]

This issue really highlights the problem with immigration in our country - people abuse the claim of seeking asylum and justify it by saying "well my country sucks". Aside from Mexico already offering these people asylum and the caravan not being interested, I don't feel the US is always obligated to take people just because the country they live in is awful.

It isn't an obligation, since immigration is an incredible boon for the United States.

The masses of Europe, China, Africa, and the Middle East have shown up at our shores and have always been granted entry and a chance at a new life.

The transcontinental railroad wouldn't have existed without immigrants. Union forces bolstered by European immigrants during the civil war helped overwhelm the confederate forces.

The 'cost' of immigrants staying in the country is nothing. They contribute to local/state/federal taxes and shore up labor shortages that are inherent in the economy by design due to 2nd generation immigrants using familial wealth over the preceding two generations to get better education and higher paying jobs. It's been this way since the country's founding.

Immigration benefits us in multiple ways. First is through immediate supply to sate demand into equilibrium in the labor force. Just by the nature of the human species and the time it takes to become an adult, it is impossible to make up for current labor shortages without immigration. This is a profound point that has helped the US achieve immeasurable production and growth in the economy, due to us being one of the most desirable places to live in the world. Now this segways into my second point, which is how our desirability as country in which people will risk their lives to live in is used as an effective tool to drain away productive people and innovation (ideas) from trading partners and adversaries over multi-generational timescales. This is another profound effect of immigration that produces better results in multilateral negotiations than a military conflict would since it is used via the free flow of migration of human beings.

Third is the replacement rate. People with higher educations and income have an inversely correlated relationship with how many children they will bear. As such, immigrants make up for the shortfall so the cycle can perpetuate itself. This is critical for the long term stability of the economy as well as social mobility.

[Bhanzai]

There is one way to change my mind on illegal immigration:

I live in the central valley of California which produces a lot of food. When I see a bunch white people in 100+ degree heat pulling out strawberries by hand for 8+ hours a day I will be the 1st one to help build a wall.

But I don't have to worry about that because white people are lazy as hell and will never do that work.

[Halicia]

There is one way to change my mind on illegal immigration:

I live in the central valley of California which produces a lot of food. When I see a bunch white people in 100+ degree heat pulling out strawberries by hand for 8+ hours a day I will be the 1st one to help build a wall.

But I don't have to worry about that because white people are lazy as hell and will never do that work.

And even if you *could* find Americans willing to do that work, can you imagine the cries at the stores when domestic strawberry prices have to be adjusted for the cost of minimum wage & benefits ?

[Doctor Amadeus]

It is a invasion. When I have ants coming into my house, I consider them invasive pests. They should apply like everyone else who does it legally if they want to be a US citizen.

You think ants should apply to be legal citizens to enter your home. I bet there is a 6 point verification system for the pizza man too.

[muto]

There is one way to change my mind on illegal immigration:

I live in the central valley of California which produces a lot of food. When I see a bunch white people in 100+ degree heat pulling out strawberries by hand for 8+ hours a day I will be the 1st one to help build a wall.

But I don't have to worry about that because white people are lazy as hell and will never do that work.

Or most people don’t want to pick strawberries in searing heat for minimum wage.

[Deletedaccount1]

There is one way to change my mind on illegal immigration:

I live in the central valley of California which produces a lot of food. When I see a bunch white people in 100+ degree heat pulling out strawberries by hand for 8+ hours a day I will be the 1st one to help build a wall.

But I don't have to worry about that because white people are lazy as hell and will never do that work.

You know that legal immigration is a thing right?

[Machismo]

You know that legal immigration is a thing right?

So, make the migrants legal. Problem solved.

Man, I love saving people money and increasing freedom.

[Quaade]

We don't need criminals like this in America

America is the continent. USA is the country.

Stopping with callong yourself the continent and instead calling yourself the country name will remind you of your placwe in the world.

[RickJamesLich]

It isn't an obligation, since immigration is an incredible boon for the United States.

The masses of Europe, China, Africa, and the Middle East have shown up at our shores and have always been granted entry and a chance at a new life.

The transcontinental railroad wouldn't have existed without immigrants. Union forces bolstered by European immigrants during the civil war helped overwhelm the confederate forces.

The 'cost' of immigrants staying in the country is nothing. They contribute to local/state/federal taxes and shore up labor shortages that are inherent in the economy by design due to 2nd generation immigrants using familial wealth over the preceding two generations to get better education and higher paying jobs. It's been this way since the country's founding.

Immigration benefits us in multiple ways. First is through immediate supply to sate demand into equilibrium in the labor force. Just by the nature of the human species and the time it takes to become an adult, it is impossible to make up for current labor shortages without immigration. This is a profound point that has helped the US achieve immeasurable production and growth in the economy, due to us being one of the most desirable places to live in the world. Now this segways into my second point, which is how our desirability as country in which people will risk their lives to live in is used as an effective tool to drain away productive people and innovation (ideas) from trading partners and adversaries over multi-generational timescales. This is another profound effect of immigration that produces better results in multilateral negotiations than a military conflict would since it is used via the free flow of migration of human beings.

Third is the replacement rate. People with higher educations and income have an inversely correlated relationship with how many children they will bear. As such, immigrants make up for the shortfall so the cycle can perpetuate itself. This is critical for the long term stability of the economy as well as social mobility.

No doubt America has benefited from immigrants but the circumstances are entirely different now than they were 200 years ago, for example. As of right now illegal immigrants are doing the most damage to the lower class - taking away jobs, lowering standards for safety, and in many cases sending the money back home as opposed to distributing it in our economy. The big one is jobs though, when someone is willing to do the pay for considerably less and off the books, that means Americans are missing out on those jobs. Worse still these people aren't developing a skill set that could down the road benefit them by translating into higher paying jobs.

This is likely a big part of the reason why so many corporations lean left suddenly - they benefit from extremely cheap labor despite in many cases not actually needing that cheap labor to subsist. But anyways if you want to see a good example of this, look at farm jobs. The posters below me appear to think that Americans have "rarely ever done farming" which is pretty much the opposite. It's just that some people out there now are willing to do it for slave wages. Of course this brings a morality issue into things - the immigrants are clearly being taken advantage of, but it appears the left doesn't have much a problem with this type of oppression.

[DinardJoulien]

No one said they were. Too much is wasted on other things.

It's a state, not household.
Household doesn't need rockets and spacestations. State might need them.

[Machismo]

No doubt America has benefited from immigrants but the circumstances are entirely different now than they were 200 years ago, for example. As of right now illegal immigrants are doing the most damage to the lower class - taking away jobs, lowering standards for safety, and in many cases sending the money back home as opposed to distributing it in our economy. The big one is jobs though, when someone is willing to do the pay for considerably less and off the books, that means Americans are missing out on those jobs. Worse still these people aren't developing a skill set that could down the road benefit them by translating into higher paying jobs.

This is likely a big part of the reason why so many corporations lean left suddenly - they benefit from extremely cheap labor despite in many cases not actually needing that cheap labor to subsist. But anyways if you want to see a good example of this, look at farm jobs. The posters below me appear to think that Americans have "rarely ever done farming" which is pretty much the opposite. It's just that some people out there now are willing to do it for slave wages. Of course this brings a morality issue into things - the immigrants are clearly being taken advantage of, but it appears the left doesn't have much a problem with this type of oppression.

So, you are pushing for socialism... because people are unable to compete? How anti-capitalistic of you.

[Annamarine]

100 years from now this will be ether known as the Muslim conquest or Muslim invasion of Europe depending on which side wins the inevitable war.

[Machismo]

100 years from now this will be ether known as the Muslim conquest or Muslim invasion of Europe depending on which side wins the inevitable war.

Or, people could simply stop being xenophobic, and enjoy diversity...

After all,the most powerful country on the planet was made great by immigration.

[sarahtasher]

100 years from now this will be ether known as the Muslim conquest or Muslim invasion of Europe depending on which side wins the inevitable war.

One, both of your options are the Muslims winning. Two, I know that for your kind ''CHRISTIAN'' is a code word for ''BLUE EYED BLOND WHITE'' but I can guarantee you the people in this caravan are not MUSLIMS.

[Annamarine]

Or, people could simply stop being xenophobic, and enjoy diversity...

After all,the most powerful country on the planet was made great by immigration.

Just wait history will be on my side, time will tell.

When a culture is 100% incompatible with the native people ether ether the incoming will be assimilated or conquer and we will eventually find out.

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One, both of your options are the Muslims winning. Two, I know that for your kind ''CHRISTIAN'' is a code word for ''BLUE EYED BLOND WHITE'' but I can guarantee you the people in this caravan are not MUSLIMS.

I said of Europe not USA DUHHHH but reading is hard I know

[ipaq]

We don't need criminals like this in America

Yeah we got enough racist white criminals (like you) to take care of first.

[Machismo]

Just wait history will be on my side, time will tell.

When a culture is 100% incompatible with the native people ether ether the incoming will be assimilated or conquer and we will eventually find out.

But history is already on my side, as I have empirical proof of it working just fine.

My next-door neighbor is a Muslim, born and raised in Pakistan. Not once have I been the target of violence, or even a fatwa.

I think I'm going to go ahead and side with freedom on this one, thanks.

[Annamarine]

But history is already on my side, as I have empirical proof of it working just fine.

My next-door neighbor is a Muslim, born and raised in Pakistan. Not once have I been the target of violence, or even a fatwa.

I think I'm going to go ahead and side with freedom on this one, thanks.

Thanks but history is on my side not yours. Its ok just wait and everyone will see its already begun

[Machismo]

Thanks but history is on my side not yours. Its ok just wait and everyone will see its already begun

Well, your racism and fearmongering are adorable.

My country was made great by immigration, in spite of racists and xenophobes like you.

[Annamarine]

Well, your racism and fearmongering are adorable.

My country was made great by immigration, in spite of racists and xenophobes like you.

You're so good at tossing labels out there .. it doesn't matter history will be on my side time will tell.

When you cant win a argument with facts lets win it with insults I understand.