Asylum, no documents

[Deleted]

How exactly?

I'll leave that to your imagination.

[Mihalik]

How exactly?

Changing your appearance supposes plastic surgery. Anything short of that is pointless. Plastic surgery needs money, doctors, insurance, hospital stay. All that requires papers. Tons of papers.

[luc54]

I'm pretty sure Sweden has quite good ways to analyse it. For example Finnish immigration office buys services from Swedish company that is specialised in analysis language and they can tell if someone speaks language from certain area. So yes lot of the blatant lying is going to get caught. It's not going to catch everyone but at least most of them will be caught.

[xindralol]

You don't fucking ''accidentally'' end up in a different country without that stuff.

It must've been planned, therefore the person should be tortured until he spills the beans where he comes from and then sent back.

There's ways to get clues where a person comes from; for example their teeth. Ideally put them in some sort of hold that is equal to the prisons in the country where they most likely hail from (the key is to prevent incentivizing this sort of behavior).

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Just pick the worst country to deport them to, then they will probably remember rather quickly.

The problem is most countries won't accept legal deportations without documentation (ie if the US can't prove the person is an Iranian citizen Iran likely won't allow repatriation.)

[Najnaj]

Suppose you are an asylum seeker and travel to Sweden on a lorry.
You do not have any passports, no documents, nothing.
You then arrive in Sweden, with absolutely nothing, no money, documents, nothing, except the clothes you are wearing.
You then pretend to have an accident and lose your memory.
You do not know where you have come from.
All you know is that you are in Sweden.

Would you be allowed to stay?
I mean, how would they know where you have come from, if you have nothing?
And how would they deport you, if they don’t know where you have come from?
And if you have forgotten everything due to some trauma, how will they know who you are, really?

There is usually a fairy godmother in these sort of stories but I can't fine her.

[UnstoppableOne]

No documents should mean immediate deportation to the closest unstable country. Fair is fair.

[Vantheus]

Suppose you are an asylum seeker and travel to Sweden on a lorry.
You do not have any passports, no documents, nothing.
You then arrive in Sweden, with absolutely nothing, no money, documents, nothing, except the clothes you are wearing.
You then pretend to have an accident and lose your memory.
You do not know where you have come from.
All you know is that you are in Sweden.

Would you be allowed to stay?
I mean, how would they know where you have come from, if you have nothing?
And how would they deport you, if they don’t know where you have come from?
And if you have forgotten everything due to some trauma, how will they know who you are, really?

Nowadays facial recognition software would let you know who you are and have you on your way back to your country of origin in about 24 hours

[smityx]

Probably just deport them back across their southern border (germany) and then build the wall. Well... the germans do know how to get around a wall. Just ask the French.

[Lochton]

Suppose you are an asylum seeker and travel to Sweden on a lorry.
You do not have any passports, no documents, nothing.
You then arrive in Sweden, with absolutely nothing, no money, documents, nothing, except the clothes you are wearing.
You then pretend to have an accident and lose your memory.
You do not know where you have come from.
All you know is that you are in Sweden.

Would you be allowed to stay?
I mean, how would they know where you have come from, if you have nothing?
And how would they deport you, if they don’t know where you have come from?
And if you have forgotten everything due to some trauma, how will they know who you are, really?

Asylum seekers tend to miss paperwork, that is why there is processing centers where they have to wait, as well as getting a look over.

[ranzino]

If you don't have papers then you are illegal. Pretty simple really.

no shit Sherlock. but what now ?

[Deleted]

You don't fucking ''accidentally'' end up in a different country without that stuff.

It must've been planned, therefore the person should be tortured until he spills the beans where he comes from and then sent back.

Wtf? You are fucking insane lol

[Dalheim]

Wtf? You are fucking insane lol

You're free to think so.

I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I’ll criticize any nations reasons for denying entry. That said as long as it’s a democracy it should be up to that nation.

[Puri]

As already said it is very common for asylum seekers to not have any documents. They often get prosecuted for what they are and is written in their documents.

How the immigration office in the appropriate country handles this situation is up to them. Here in Germany and most of western europe every individual case has to be reviewed. That worked fine for decades, but then there were a few thousand paperless immigrants per year, and not millions.

Obviously without any paper to back them up is simply breaks down to what the official thinks. And since constitutional states have the basic of "in doubt for the accused" it would be the official who has to prove that the migrant is not from the country he says he comes from, and not vice versa.

And yes, that simply breaks down to using the rights and liberties we are proud of and what keeps us apart from the shithole countries they are fleeing from against us, making "no documents" a very effective way of illegally cheat your way to asylum.
But who can blame them when the legal way has a 0% chance of success?