SPOILERS 8.1 Zuldazar Riad Bwonsamdi

[Combatbutler]

And yet scourge was not an issue at all.

Oh it is, I am fairly certain most real death entities would rejoice if the lich king would bite it, he is fishing on their turf after all.

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And yet scourge was not an issue at all.

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Are we officially in "mindwiping is morally superior" territory ? And those trolls sure as hell "consent" to that.

There is no mind wiping, there is NO mind to wipe. The corpse is an empty shell. Bwon just uses it like a puppet. The soul and person has gone to the afterlife. Sylvanas and her Valkyr literally drag the soul back to the corpse.

[Arrashi]

There is no mind wiping, there is NO mind to wipe. The corpse is an empty shell. Bwon just uses it like a puppet. The soul and person has gone to the afterlife. Sylvanas and her Valkyr literally drag the soul back to the corpse.

But when sylvanas ressurected skeletons in UC it was problem ?

Also, so far sylvanas does all she does with consent. Minus that kul tiran walking bomb. Which can be explained by being simply hilarious.

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Oh it is, I am fairly certain most real death entities would rejoice if the lich king would bite it, he is fishing on their turf after all.

To be fair, LK himself criticises her for it. Im getting pretty malkavian vibes from all parties involved.

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But when sylvanas ressurected skeletons in UC it was problem ?

Also, so far sylvanas does all she does with consent. Minus that kul tiran walking bomb. Which can be explained by being simply hilarious.

Problem with what she did at the UC is SHE killed them in the first place with the blight.


Also no, consent is not given, they are brought back and THEN given the 'choice' on whether to follow her or bugger off. It's like me punching you then asking if you want me to take you to the hospital. You probably didn't want to get punched int he first place. Then there is the fact that most forsaken go literally insane and suicidal when they realise what has been done to them.

[Combatbutler]

There is no mind wiping, there is NO mind to wipe. The corpse is an empty shell. Bwon just uses it like a puppet. The soul and person has gone to the afterlife. Sylvanas and her Valkyr literally drag the soul back to the corpse.

Bwonsamdi doesn't give a damn about the free will of his subjects, they will do as he says or suffer the consequences, if he orders them to return to the lands of the living to fight they will do it, because they have no choice in the matter. Which is very well within his established character or any other death entity for that matter, because they aren't just his subjects, they are literally his property.

[Arrashi]

Problem with what she did at the UC is SHE killed them in the first place with the blight.

Also no, consent is not given, they are brought back and THEN given the 'choice' on whether to follow her or bugger off. It's like me punching you then asking if you want me to take you to the hospital.

So is it about killing them or about ressurecting them ?

[Combatbutler]

To be fair, LK himself criticises her for it. Im getting pretty malkavian vibes from all parties involved.

As if wow could even remotely pull of the awesomeness that are malkavians and their madness.

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So is it about killing them or about ressurecting them ?

Killing them, and then the manner on how they are brought back. As flesh corpses? Sure, as thinking beings? No.

[Arrashi]

Killing them, and then the manner on how they are brought back. As flesh corpses? Sure, as thinking beings? No.

But she just ressurects skelemen....

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Bwonsamdi doesn't give a damn about the free will of his subjects, they will do as he says or suffer the consequences, if he orders them to return to the lands of the living to fight they will do it, because they have no choice in the matter. Which is very well within his established character or any other death entity for that matter, because they aren't just his subjects, they are literally his property.

Except he literally uses mindless corpses as his army.

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But she just ressurects skelemen....

Then that's fine, I haven't argued against that.

[Arrashi]

As if wow could even remotely pull of the awesomeness that are malkavians and their madness.

Honestly, wows "moral complexity" reminds me of that old meme picture with that guy and the dog, arguing about futanari.

[ohwell]

not really Bwonsamdi's awesome, sylvanas is a bi*ch.

also fairly certain just because he's raising the dead to fight, doesn't mean their stay in an undead state, unlike sylvanas.

"And I base this entirely on nothing"

There is zero evidence that it's temporary. But then again the alliance has also utilized dead raised against their will.

[Combatbutler]

Except he literally uses mindless corpses as his army.

He literally used the souls of fallen zandalari soldiers on several occasions. These souls are brought back by necromancy and are undead beings on par with something akin to a banshee, spectre etc. and these aren't mindless due to their very nature of being spirits.

He has zero qualms with enslaving souls, he does that on a daily basis to get more into his domain after all.

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He literally used the souls of fallen zandalari soldiers on several occasions. These souls are brought back by necromancy and are undead beings on par with something akin to a banshee, spectre etc. and these aren't mindless due to their very nature of being spirits.

They aren't brought back, they literally 'live' in the necropolis. All he does with them is unleash them. Then he brings them back, ala army of the dead in LOTR.

[Combatbutler]

Honestly, wows "moral complexity" reminds me of that old meme picture with that guy and the dog, arguing about futanari.

The real sad thing is blizz even had an opportunity that made sense with it and could have tried, the void elves or shadow priests in general and it could have given that joke of a race something meaningful ,instead they didn't even get a shadow of that potential.

[Skytotem]

He raised Winston against his will

But only during battle, Bwom notably doesn't keep souls around, and none of the Zandalari that he raises are raised unwillingly, they're souls in his care.

[telygroar]

I love how everytime Rastakhan calls Bwonsamdi, it's by supreme yelling.

"BWOMSAAANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

WE GOT A DEAL, FUCKER"

He sound like he's calling an adolescent troll to clean his room.

[Combatbutler]

They aren't brought back, they literally 'live' in the necropolis. All he does with them is unleash them. Then he brings them back, ala army of the dead in LOTR.

That still makes them undead he bridges them into the world of the living for a time and whether they want it or not, they don't have a choice they are his to play with, his to torture, his to reward etc. his domain lies in the shadow lands itself, not just his necropolis, it is just a place of worshipp.

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But only during battle, Bwom notably doesn't keep souls around, and none of the Zandalari that he raises are raised unwillingly, they're souls in his care.

Many souls aren't willingly in his care to begin with.

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That still makes them undead he bridges them into the world of the living for a time and whether they want it or not, they don't have a choice they are his to play with, his to torture, his to reward etc. his domain lies in the shadow lands itself, not just his necropolis, it is just a place of worshipp.

Most of his dead followers literally bonded themselves to him through worship in life. They knew EXACTLY what they were in for. He's also not some evil *****bag who tortures for the fun of it. He's a caretaker of the dead.

[Houle]

Im pretty sure no death entity really likes the lich king, he suddenly appeared from nowhere with massive powers and claimed uncountable souls.

They aren't brought back, they literally 'live' in the necropolis. All he does with them is unleash them. Then he brings them back, ala army of the dead in LOTR.

This.