Sadly there isn't much we can do about people that read papers like the Daily Mail and believe the nonsense they print. But removing Corbyn won't achieve anything, because the MSM would take that as a victory and bring a new set of lies and smears against whoever follows him, assuming they try and follow the same principles. Because it's the principles that terrify them, the idea that billionaires should have to pay some tax and not be able to flout laws at a whim. The idea we defend schools, hospitals and transport from predatory entities that just want to suck money out of them. As long as Labour stand for that, we will carry on seeing stories about the "unelectability" of the leader, whoever it is.
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That's quite a number. (8-10 ministers not liking the deal)
The Cons are ahead in all but two voting intention polls since the beginning October which is similar to September and August polling results. The fact that Labour cannot even poll ahead of a deeply divided party that is riddled with infighting and is widely believed to be doing a poor job with Brexit suggests that the electorate do not prefer Lab.
So they can criticise, but do they have a better proposal that the EU would accept?
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No, expressing it is not naive in itself, because doing so does not constitute an assumption about reality and only those can be classified in terms of naiveté.
That being said I do not agree with his statement per se.
Politicans ought to be consistent and honest about their goals so their constituents can decide whom to vote for.
Representing themselves does not necessarily preclude that.
So it seems
Backbenchers hate the deal
ERG hate the Deal
Labour hates the deal
DUP suspicious of the deal
SNP despise the deal
Plaid hate it
Greens hate it
Some EU members might try to veto it
8-10 members of the cabinate hate it.
Not sure how this is going to work
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
The Cabinet has backed Mays deal, which I don't think anyone saw coming, but there are probably resignations coming and looks like Mogg/BoJo are gearing up for another no confidence vote and a leadership battle.
perhaps cabinet was in easy mode, because they know this sort of Brexit wont survive in parliament ? you can nod off anything in such a scenario, it is pretty useless within 24h.
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all this struggle for that status quo ? UK could have negotiated that within 5 mins with Barnier in summer 2017, but naaaaaah.
So it basically sounds like we switch to the Norway model until both the EU and the UK are satisfied that the divorce is sufficiently hashed out, and the UK can also make trade deals during this time period, that go into effect when the EU and the UK eventually part ways.
I mean it's not perfect but it's a damn sight better than a no deal.
fuck me thats a heavy document.
at least she has conceeded that brexit can be stopped.
baah, 585 pages ??
here a 7 pages summary by UK
The only way for the UK to leave the EU and not have a border between NI and the RoI is to either secede NI to the RoI or to move the borders of the UK from NI to Great Britain instead, which is basically ceding NI to the RoI in all but name. The main block to this is the DUP, who are Unionists, who May can't piss off because they are the only thing giving her a majority, if the deal pushes the eventual divorce further down the line, the DUP could be out of the picture and the DUP blocker shouldn't be as big of an issue as it is now.
Which is presumably why the DUP are vehemently against this agreement.
And yeah, the EU also getting a say in when the UK leave is probably going to be one of the biggest things that stops this deal in Parliament, even though it makes complete sense for the EU to want a say.
Hmmms...
I'm finding it hard to draw anything from the 585 page document.
And the critical bullet point in the 7 page summary basically says, we're going to leave without a plan to solve an insoluble problem.
So much unadulterated joy to be had here.
You can't really dust for vomit.