Do you miss Legion?

[Soon-TM]

I have to say... are you implying PvP is balanced now? Cause honestly, Legion PvP in battlegrounds at least was the most balanced it's ever been. WoW PvP is super frustrating due to it being constantly unbalanced. What were they called? Layouts or something? That was the only hope WoW PvP ever had and people hated on it, resulting in going back to people dying in 2 seconds. It's sad.

Honestly, i dearly miss Guild Wars 1 and SWTOR PvP. PvP in WoW has always been insufferable.

Especially in 8.1, where world of melee will be taken to the extreme. With priests and mages nerfed - the last surviving caster specs, it's gonna be the melee grand royale. I can't wait. :/

Well, PvP is in quite bad shape now as well tbh. Casters are on the way of becoming an extinct species... GG Blizz >.< The problem with Legion templates was that some specs simply didn't work with less than, e.g. x% haste, and templates often made reaching those turning points very hard, thus making the gear acquisition quite pointless.

when nighthold was one of the best raid in history, i asked myself how long your active wow history is ?

but i completely agree to BC and MoP. i miss the game design and foremost class design of MoP, and even more, the overall game experience and design in TBC.

Ok, maybe NH wasn't Kara 1.0 or Ulduar tier of awesomeness, but still very nice, and a neat closing to the Suramar story, which I was a sucker for

[Exkrementor]

MoP>BC>Legion>Cata>Wrath>BFA>WoD>Classic

The worst thing is that almost every spec feels like shit and that makes the whole game shit.

14 months of Siege of Orgrimmar was fine because you could play all your alts and get BiS Gear on them and every spec was fun.

Blizzard promised reworks for 8.1 but you can see that they havent done shit on the ptr. Ele shamans got like 3 new talents you probably cannot pick because the other talents are far better. Shadow priests and enhancement shamans got some number tweaks. WOW

Yes they announced some cool content but thats totaly irrelevant if the class gameplay sucks.

Tl;dr: I miss MoP and Legion, yes.

[nexellent]

No, i miss any xpac before mop.

[ZazuuPriest]

i miss the beginning of legion when i was still excited to push mythic+ and get new legends. got burnt out in the end

[Nerovar]

Nah, I miss Pandaria.

This guy gets it.

I also really miss WoD. PvP as a WW was crazy good. Most fun I've had in the game.

[Whitedragon]

Nope about the only 3 I really miss at all are WotLK, MoP, and Vanilla (which is getting sated soon)

[Baroclinic]

I really miss that damn artifact... or atleast not having to hope for a weapon upgrade. Ive had that damn 350 for what feels like forever while all the rest of my stuff is 370+

[Spazlord]

BFA is better even if you just count the tentacles. Legion was green. I can't even remember anything else about it.

I do miss Mage Tower.

[Marrilaife]

Legion, like many expansions, had some really good things, and some really bad ones.

The good ones:
- class campaigns and the new follower / mount questline later on, giving unique content for alts
- the artifact progress, unlocking the unique traits
- armor design, I loved so many legion sets
- mission tables giving lots of gold
- the bodyguard system giving some squisher classes ways to quest more comfortably
- shoulder enchants giving you mats for going out in the world, even if you don't have gathering
- the artifact appearances hunt, some of them were really fun to chase (some were awful rng, but many were fun)

The bad ones:
- extreme alt unfriendliness until around halfway the expac
- the leggo rng roulette
- the artificial extension of artifact grind past the existing traits in form of paragon traits and rng-lottery crucible
- pre-flying Suramar maze
- withered training... I hated it
- getting profession recipes, especially some rng low dropchance ranks (hello herbalism)

Well there were also things that are still with us, from emissaries to m+ to wonky class balance so not gonna mention these.

[Lei]

MoP.

tenchars

[DeusX]

I have always ranted about Legion's legendary items system, but compared to BfA, that was golden. BfA azerite armor system is quite a big pile of crap. While in Legion I was switching around lego combos, in BFA I just play whatever BIS I copy from online websites and never change it. Just too much to remember... stats, traits, gear name... Legion was easy: bracer + legs for this boss, shoulder + gloves for that other boss and was simple to keep track... Now it's crap.

And I was a slow boy in regard to getting the legos. Back then it looks horror to farm the legos, but in retrospective was better than today, when I do my emissary just for getting the Diplomat achievement, for flying.

M+ now is an awful experience, they designed each dungeon with MDI in mind. M+ is the only PVE which they can monetize in addition to monthly wow sub. They want M+ in Pro tournaments and that's how they design it. Whatever, but they should not have put all BIS trinkets in M+ then. [Edit] Actually it makes sent to have BIS gear in M+ since, for Blizz, M+ is the end game today.

Guild stopped raiding recently (basically disintegrating itself after a great Legion run), so fuck blizz with their shit system which made people burnout, get bored and quit in under 2 months from launch and with 2 more months until next raid is open, with all the great imbalances for which they delay and delay and delay the fixes until the end of time.

But ye, BfA is quite nice to level into, not too slow, not too fast, and the zones design is also nice, artists did their job right from my POV.

[xcitng]

10x this piece of shit expansion, so yep!

[ercarp]

- extreme alt unfriendliness until around halfway the expac

That's more or less proving to be the case with BFA as well though, although I would say that presently it's a lot more alt-unfriendly than Legion was. Being forced to do all three footholds on each character to unlock travel points is some hot garbage. Also, as someone who drudged through Argus 14 times, I can say that it was still far less exhausting and even more enjoyable than leveling BFA alts 110-120. I can feel my character getting progressively weaker the closer I get to 120, and that's very unsatisfying.

- the leggo rng roulette

While it sucked to get the wrong legiondaries, or when you had to grind a ridiculous amount of time to get the right ones (took me half a year of playing daily before I got Tyelca for my paladin), the content and gameplay more than made up for it imo. I was always in the mood for some M+ and I didn't mind killing Argus Elites or hunting for treasures occasionally. Invasion Points were a bit of a bore and poorly implemented, but you can't have a perfect expansion.

Point is, the game felt more alive than ever. It felt like I was working towards something at all times, even if that reward happened to come right from the hands of RNG.

- pre-flying Suramar maze

Yeah, it sucked, but it sucked slightly less if you played a tank spec – which I did. Although sometimes you wound up getting ganged so hard by elites that even Ignore Pain couldn't save you anymore; especially at the lower levels. After completing the reputation grind I didn't bother hanging around Suramar much, unless there was an emissary, but I don't recall hating it. The zone was beautiful, the story was compelling, and there was just something magical about it. To me, anyway.

[Niwes]

Well, PvP is in quite bad shape now as well tbh. Casters are on the way of becoming an extinct species... GG Blizz >.< The problem with Legion templates was that some specs simply didn't work with less than, e.g. x% haste, and templates often made reaching those turning points very hard, thus making the gear acquisition quite pointless.



Ok, maybe NH wasn't Kara 1.0 or Ulduar tier of awesomeness, but still very nice, and a neat closing to the Suramar story, which I was a sucker for

i agree, it was good staged and some bosses were really nice (guldan, ellisande, etc). overall it was good, yes.

[Dracullus]

I miss Mage Tower and 7.0-7.1 Suramar zone. First isn't in game anymore and you can't repeat second, because you have flying and you can outgear/outlevel it. Rest is pretty much still in game, so nothing to miss about.

[Prime92]

I'm quite proud of myself for completing all 36 of them. It was no easy feat.

The hardest part of these chellenges was leveling all characters to 110. Unless of course, you had them leveled up when they came live (7.2?) and done them before gear inflated to over 915ish+, then sure, you're godlike. Otherwise they were laughably easy with anything above 920 ilvl, let alone optimised gear. They should've made them scale instead of making it a clownfiesta within about 3-4 weeks after their release.

BFA, while it carried many of the systems from Legion forward, fails to satisfy in the way Legion did. Everything feels deliberately slower, from world quests to how your class plays. Everything's a tiresome slog and nothing feels rewarding or worth my time.

That's exactly what they did. GCD changes, half the specs deal passivly up to 30% of their dps, they disabled auto-accept and went apeshit after addons, other than that BfA is Legion 2.0 in every aspect of the game, excluding pvp scaling. Nothing was rewarding in Legion as well, that's because gear is in abundance, mats are in abundance, raid bosses get nerfed all the time, loot is random casino-royale style.

These days I find myself rewatching old Legion cinematics and reflecting back on the good times. Legion felt like a product created by Blizzard. It's like they told Activision to fuck off after WoD was such a disaster and created something worthwhile for the players. And now, once again, Activision's got their leash on Blizzard and is leading them astray.

Waaaat? Last time I'd say anything wow-related felt like Blizzards product was Cata, perhaps MoP. Free gold, random loot, crapforging, not scaling "chellenges" (unlike WoD chellenges, proving grounds in the past), focusing on solo-player experience instead of multiplayer gameplay, etc. is not what Blizzard stood for years ago, it's wat they'd been against and what brought millions of people to the game and kept them playing it for years. The only things that made me not mistake that expansion for an EA product was extremely wrong and disbalanced PvP, especially world pvp, and quite good raid encounters.

But the question remains: do you miss Legion?

Not in the least. I miss WotLK the most.

[Deleted]

I didn't play it, so no.

Legiondaries were awesome, but the acquisition method beyond terrible.
Artifact weapons were the dealbreaker for me, one of the reasons I didn't play.
"The Chosen One" storylines suck for the most part, especially in MMOs. Another huge reason I didn't play, synergising with artifact weapons to become an ultra dealbreaker.

BfA looked good on paper, but it was just bullshit on top of bullshit until I just didn't feel like playing anymore.

Fuck personal loot particularly, it's literally just a system put in to reduce GM manpower consumption, nothing more. And it's hurt the game so goddamn much it's unreal they haven't reversed it yet. The cost cutting is spiraling out of control.

[Valysar]

No because BfA is Legion 2.0, so...

[Varjo410]

Tbh I don't feel like Legion is over, BfA is just a little distraction.
I'm still doing WQ's on alts for the cache or legiondaries, I'm still doing the artifact & class stuff on alts to unlock skins/titles/mounts.
Hell, I run across more people out in the world doing the legion stuff than I do during BfA WQ's.

[ercarp]

The hardest part of these chellenges was leveling all characters to 110. Unless of course, you had them leveled up when they came live (7.2?) and done them before gear inflated to over 915ish+, then sure, you're godlike. Otherwise they were laughably easy with anything above 920 ilvl, let alone optimised gear. They should've made them scale instead of making it a clownfiesta within about 3-4 weeks after their release.

I completed most of the challenges near the end of the expac, that is true, but I completed all of the tank challenges way earlier. And in my opinion those were the hardest ones, although I did struggle with some of the challenges like Resto Shaman and Holy Priest despite being above the recommended item level. Here's the full album.