How dare people compare this patch to 6.1

[Cizr]

I still don't get what you want.

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What are you basing that on? Who determines how much we should get? It used to be we got almost no content outside of raids.

Wrong
Compare it with with other x.1 patches. Only 6.1 is worse than current patch.

[Xkiller9000]

I still don't get what you want.

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What are you basing that on? Who determines how much we should get? It used to be we got almost no content outside of raids.

to me this game is and always has been about raiding, a "major content patch" should have the new damn raid

[Accendor]

6.1 had barely any content. There are tons of new quests in this patch. War campaign. Incursions. Heirloom armor quests. And additional quests like with Tyrande and Saurfang. How is this patch in any way resembling 6.1?

Of course it is nowhere near close to 6.1. 6.1 will probably always be the worst patch in history.
That being said it is not surprising that a lot of people are very unhappy with the patch because if you had nothing to do before it hit live you most likely have not really much to do RIGHT NOW.

- Farming Azerite gear for the scrapper makes no sense atm because the amount you need for the new armor (which is not on the vendor yet) is way higher than what you currently get. It will be raised in January but until then it makes not much sense to really bother with it.
- Broken specs where not overhauled and just got bandaid fixes
- The azerite system is still not fixed, there are not even remotely enough new traits to get away from the boring passive ones
- New Island Expedition don't really matter because the whole concept is disliked and not the design of the islands. If you did not like Island Expeditions before 8.1 you will not like them after 8.1
- Warfront is content for 30 minutes once per week with zero difficulty and it is not available for 50% of the player base right now
- War campaign is cool, but done in around 1 hour (even less if you skip quest texts). Also time gated.
- Heritage armor does not matter if you are not playing Blood Elf or Dwarf
- Leveling speed is not interesting for mains

Combine that with many stealth nerfs to abilities and azerite traits that people spend weeks farming for and you will see that for many people there currently is exactly as much reason to log in with their mains like last week: None.

I completely understand that we will get a full new raid next month and new equipment that we can farm etc., but for many (not for all!) people the whole patch might as well have come in January because it makes no difference whatsoever (or, in some cases, even makes it worse than before)

[RobertMugabe]

6.1 had barely any content. There are tons of new quests in this patch. War campaign. Incursions. Heirloom armor quests. And additional quests like with Tyrande and Saurfang. How is this patch in any way resembling 6.1?

6.1 also added many many new quests, the heirloom tab page with heirloom quests, Ashran (the WoD warfront)) got expanded, added features, class changes... and at least the BRF raid launched right when 6.1 launched.

Overall 8.1 is probably still a better patch, but they're definitely comparable and that's already a big problem.

[anon5123]

Justifiable WHY?! Can none of you even come up with a semblance of a rational argument?!

Apparently you can't either. :^)

[Deleted]

6.0 was far superior to 8.0.

No.

6.1 was very lightweight compared to 8.1.

No.

Stop trolling.

[Skildar]

I have and I prefer to binge watch a series. I think most people do. Nobody watches an episode of a show and thinks "damn, I don't have to wait a week to watch the next episode, I can watch it right away, I hate that". Nobody.

well I'm like that, 'cause if you can binge watch something there is a presure to watch the whole thing fast so don't get spoiled or be a burden to your mates and colleagues when talking about the show or here wow lore. And I like to take the time to do things so I can appreciate them. without feeling bad for doing so...

It's not the first time you are very assertive in a bad way as you give your opinion, as if it was a general fact, and it's crazy annoying and don't really make you seem open to discussion so I won't be answering your quotes. Besides I've made my point many times, and it's not hard to grasp...

[Deleted]

Wrong
Compare it with with other x.1 patches. Only 6.1 is worse than current patch.

That's all subjective. And you can't just say "let's compare all x.1 patches with each other, cause different x.1 patches have had different things. Some of them had raids. Some of them had non-raid stuff. Some of them had both. That all has to do with the flow and rythm of the expansion.

It's still not wrong that it used to be the case at some point we got barely any content outside of raids in patches, and if you think that is wrong you have no clue.

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well I'm like that, 'cause if you can binge watch something there is a presure to watch the whole thing fast so don't get spoiled or be a burden to your mates and colleagues when talking about the show or here wow lore. And I like to take the time to do things so I can appreciate them. without feeling bad for doing so...

So that's why we all have to be held back artificially? So you don't feel the pressure to watch things?

[Unholyground]

While there is lots of beef in this patch arguably it is around a grade C or grade D beef, but farrrrr from grade A beef.

[Skildar]

So that's why we all have to be held back artificially? So you don't feel the pressure to watch things?

my god you are one of a kind...
it's not complicated to understand my point : it's to make the game healthier!


It's not the first time you are very assertive in a bad way as you give your opinion, as if it was a general fact, and it's crazy annoying and don't really make you seem open to discussion so I won't be answering your quotes. Besides I've made my point many times, and it's not hard to grasp...

[Nnyco]

Wrong
Compare it with with other x.1 patches. Only 6.1 is worse than current patch.

4.1 brought us 2 revamped dungeons, 5.1 gave us a few more quests

[Icoblablubb]

So then what do you want.

content that is meaningful not garbage

[Teriz]

Kind of amazing that Zalandari Trolls and Kul'Tiras Humans are still not available.

[Aphrel]

The content is there, the 380+ crowd just does not engage in it. Sure, it is HL content, but isn't the 380+ crowd supposed to be HL players ?

Most of the 380+ crowd has neither Cutting Edge: G'huun nor Dread Gladiator. Those people should be 370+ and still have a looooong path of progression in MM raiding or rated PVP. Were it not for TF.

The only thing there is to do after clear is mythic+. without wf/tf even that goes off the bale and the total content to do boils down to a 4hour raid per week. and one weekly m+.

Ppl keep hating on wf/wt but without it we would have even less to do online.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

7 pages of this thread, lol

you people will bite to any lure.

[Voltsmasher]

A good expansion.

By the looks of your signature I would say you want a new class and an even numbers expansion

[bigbleach]

Well, being honest... I'm down hearted about Battle for Azeroth. It's a very poor expansion, and has multiple of the problems that Warlords had.

But not with its first patch. 8.1 is a perfectly reasonable patch, and competitive with a lot of other ones. Fair play.

Bullshit. Wrong. That is false and completely dishonest of you. WoD had 5 man heroics, normal/heroic/mythic raiding, no dailies, and the terrible farmville/facebook game garrison. Nothing else. Mythic 5 man did not come out until 7.2. We are still in 8.1. We have heroics, warfronts, islands, mythic 5 man, normal/heroic/mythic raiding, world quests, reps, tons of crap that you can do. WoD literally had nothing worthwhile outside of raiding. Nothing. My bad, apexis farming. Go do that blizz, we want that back... Cmon... I've been playing forever, I've played every expac. Legion was great. BFA, imho, is better than legion. We have everything we had in legion and a bit more. Tier sets are not fun, never have been fun, never have been interesting. Legendaries were the only thing I did not like about legion. Those being removed by default puts BFA over it. But comparing BFA to WoD, of all expacs, is very dishonest. I would say you could compare it to mop, at best, since we got useless scenarios then, which I could compare to islands. MoP had quite a few world bosses, like we do now. We didn't have a tier set at the start either. Sooo.

[Nathasil]

Bullshit. Wrong. That is false and completely dishonest of you. WoD had 5 man heroics, normal/heroic/mythic raiding, no dailies, and the terrible farmville/facebook game garrison. Nothing else. Mythic 5 man did not come out until 7.2. We are still in 8.1. We have heroics, warfronts, islands, mythic 5 man, normal/heroic/mythic raiding, world quests, reps, tons of crap that you can do. WoD literally had nothing worthwhile outside of raiding. Nothing. My bad, apexis farming. Go do that blizz, we want that back... Cmon... I've been playing forever, I've played every expac. Legion was great. BFA, imho, is better than legion. We have everything we had in legion and a bit more. Tier sets are not fun, never have been fun, never have been interesting. Legendaries were the only thing I did not like about legion. Those being removed by default puts BFA over it. But comparing BFA to WoD, of all expacs, is very dishonest. I would say you could compare it to mop, at best, since we got useless scenarios then, which I could compare to islands. MoP had quite a few world bosses, like we do now. We didn't have a tier set at the start either. Sooo.

Not trying to sound harsh...but WoD had those hugely popular *irony* quests where you ran in circles in a raid-group bashing trivial mobs. Which is basically the same as Warfronts+Islands. BFA on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING that compares in any way shape or form to garrisons - which may very well be a good thing - but saying BA is so much better/more than WoD is not objective....it's subjective.

Also, Heart of Fear (the first MoP raid with a Tier Set) opened 1month and 5 days after MoP launch. We are now 3months into BFA and there is no Tier seit in sight.

On topic:
The point why people compare 8.1 and 6.1 is rather obvious: Many players were not content with 6.0 at the time 6.1 hit and the patch adressed NONE of the issues. Which is exactly the same situation 8.1 is in for 8.0. If you were fine with 8.0 content, 8.1 is an OK patch. If you were not fine with 8.0, 8.1 does not help you at all.

[Molis]

6.1 was terrible. But 8.1 is hardly any better.

Incursions are yet more boring world quests. 2 island expeditions, who cares? No one does islands. Warfront's are barely a thing.

Until the new raid it's legitimately a patch not worth logging in for.

No one does islands or warfronts yet when I queue it is almost instant.

Lots of no ones doing this content

[Lurker1]

The outdoor content in BFA 8.1 is amazeing just that the instance stuff is delayed which is fine i dont care for it anyways