Dragon Age 4 is up to a bad start

[OmniSkribe]

It must be so hard to be a right-winger in this day of age when you can't even play certain games because ''the hero isn't a white male''.

If the next GTA has a gay character do you suddenly get into unspeakable rage? I imagine you can't play Assasins Creed or any Ubisoft game for that matter, EA is out of the question, Rockstar has a mixed set of characters, Activision-Blizzard pisses you of as well.

What's left?

Have you even played GTA? R* don't push agenda in your face like other developers. Quite opposite Gay Tony while being gay IS actually like-able character exactly because it's CHARACTER FIRST and GAY SECOND. He is not in the game just to cater some group of players, he is not gay because it's popular, he is not gay just to shove it into your face, he is WELL WRITTEN character that happens to be gay.

Not only that but(!) GTA5 even has series of quests about "Strong Independent Woman" that are cranked up so much that they actually show all the absurdity of many rage-feminists.

[Notshauna]

both sides are presented in a way that could make you want to join either.

it's built from the world's politics. it's not a disjointed, hamfisted sermon on real life things shoved in because "everything is political".

it's like captain planet vs. batman the animated series.

And Dragon Age has never failed to meet that criteria, compare and contrast how Tevinter has been treated in the various games and you'll see how virtually every faction, even the ones that were previously considered to be basically evil has been fleshed out and treated as people. Dragon Age has always treated the issues with political nuance I think it's frankly absurd to think otherwise.

[Deleted]

Agree, I loved Inquisition. Only issues I ever had with DA:I was the combat being too action based and the needless open world format which felt like filler. The story was great though.

I miss the action pause style of origins but I should just get used to the fact that they will never bring that back. I just hope they don;t make the next game open world. I like Open world but some games don't need it.

Poltics exist in all things and have done for years. Going back to Tolkien and Lovecraft. Just some is more subtle than others. As someone said as logn as it isnt on the nose and beating you around the head with it I am cool.

The moment you go in looking for politics and agendas then you have set yourself up.

DA:O felt way more tactical to me as well, esp with the advanced tactics mod

[Jastall]

inquisition definitely had just a bit, but it was minor.

judging from the behavior of this dev, da4 will run contrary to that. we've already got evidence it will in andromeda.

Minor as in one (arguable, at that) conversation in a game with hundreds. Be still, my heart. And what about Andromeda? Because Cora had a stereotypical haircut and one NPC in one outpost out of a half dozen was a poorly written transgender that neither "side" liked?

Man, if that's what it takes for some people to panic, we sure aren't out of the woods yet.

[Nurasu]

Have you even played GTA? R* don't push agenda in your face like other developers. Quite opposite Gay Tony while being gay IS actually like-able character exactly because it's CHARACTER FIRST and GAY SECOND. He is not in the game just to cater some group of players, he is not gay because it's popular, he is not gay just to shove it into your face, he is WELL WRITTEN character that happens to be gay.

Not only that but(!) GTA5 even has series of quests about "Strong Independent Woman" that are cranked up so much that they actually show all the absurdity of many rage-feminists.

I have - if anything, it pushes the opposite political agenda. I mean how can you not see that in your last sentence? You're just not mad about it because you agree with it in that case.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

both sides are presented in a way that could make you want to join either.

it's built from the world's politics. it's not a disjointed, hamfisted sermon on real life things shoved in because "everything is political".

it's like captain planet vs. batman the animated series.

The storm clocks yelling “Skyrim belongs to the nords” and calling the lizards flighty scale backs while making them live out of city didn’t make me want to join them in the slightest. Really if your any thing other then a human you have no reason to want to side with a bunch of racist jerks.

[Edge-]

Except the context is completely changed if the inquisitor is also a qunari; they should've changed the lines to fit the context right then, but instead, it comes off as if Bull is thinking that his own race isn't normal.

Why though? To the troops, who IIRC are largely human, qunari aren't necessarily "normal" either so it still fits. I'm not deep into the lore, but my vague understanding is that qunari aren't exactly super commonplace in human societies and not necessarily embraced with open arms (I seem to remember issues with the qunari and their relationships with humans being a big part of DA2, not sure if that's accurate though). It's possibly a bit less smooth if the PC is also a qunari, but I don't think they necessarily needed to totally rewrite the line either because it still works.

[RobertoCarlos]

The last dragon age sucked, why would the next one be any better?

Talk about pointless content bloat in a game. Never felt so put off. The game was more lazier than a crash bandicoot remake

[derpkitteh]

Minor as in one (arguable, at that) conversation in a game with hundreds. Be still, my heart. And what about Andromeda? Because Cora had a stereotypical haircut and one NPC in one outpost out of a half dozen was a poorly written transgender that neither "side" liked?

Man, if that's what it takes for some people to panic, we sure aren't out of the woods yet.

i'm not talking about trans characters, though they make absolutely no sense in a setting where someone could just make their self the opposite gender with magic/tech.

i'm ultimately fine with the characters being there, it's how the world deals with it. there's two gay characters in wow, what happened when they showed up? you did a quest for one and nobody gave a shit about the fact they were gay, it wasn't made an issue. they were just another person that existed.

don't shove real world issues into the game just to make a big deal and talk about why x is wrong and why y is right.

[ati87]

I don't care what the protagonist is as long as he's a believable well-written character.
Good writing, however, is a skill that people currently working in companies under EA do no possess. Nothing's more blatant and example than ME:A and BF5.

Uhm, so you want to bring out that nonsense now?

The black hermione granger or the black storm trooper crap is a good example that proves that what you just wrote it pure nonsens. IN both cases the story doesn't really revolve around there skin colour but people like you bitched about it nonstop, hermione could be a xenomorph and technically it wouldn't have mattered. T

If we focus on Bioware for a moment. Everything they do is in your face really. If you make your character gay he/she is over the top gay, if you make your character straight he or she is over the top straight because in both instances your character tries to screw everything that has two legs.

ME: A has it's issues, I've bought it and the biggest difference between Andromeda and ME 1tm 3 has to do with more then just the story. Bioware stories where never really that good to begin with, I mean come on DA Origins and KOTOR are one of my all time favourites but in terms of stories they are just the biggest cliches you can find. Mass Effect Andromeda has flaws that goes deeper then just story.

BTW it must really suck though if you can't just play a game or watch a movie if you have to wonder if the next stage of that story involves a change you don't like.

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i'm not talking about trans characters, though they make absolutely no sense in a setting where someone could just make their self the opposite gender with magic/tech.

i'm ultimately fine with the characters being there, it's how the world deals with it. there's two gay characters in wow, what happened when they showed up? you did a quest for one and nobody gave a shit about the fact they were gay, it wasn't made an issue. they were just another person that existed.

don't shove real world issues into the game just to make a big deal and talk about why x is wrong and why y is right.

I personally didn't know that WoW had gay characters the fact that you knew is a bit telling isn't it.

And you know, if we split what you wrote and look at the terms you used then your only ultimately fine with these characters because don't really notice them. If for some reason Blizzard decided to make Anduin gay than you probably will be pissed because then it's not just a random character.

[Jshadowhunter]

Why though? To the troops, who IIRC are largely human, qunari aren't necessarily "normal" either so it still fits. I'm not deep into the lore, but my vague understanding is that qunari aren't exactly super commonplace in human societies and not necessarily embraced with open arms (I seem to remember issues with the qunari and their relationships with humans being a big part of DA2, not sure if that's accurate though). It's possibly a bit less smooth if the PC is also a qunari, but I don't think they necessarily needed to totally rewrite the line either because it still works.

They aren't commonplace. Most qunari are so communist they hate any society that isn't like their own and exiles either live as bandits or mercinaries.. if they're not killed 1st.
But the point is that the sentence it making the player qunari think that Bull seems to think his own kind is weird by his own qunari standards instead of sticking out like a sore thumb in a non-qunari society.

[derpkitteh]

I personally didn't know that WoW had gay characters the fact that you knew is a bit telling isn't it.

And you know, if we split what you wrote and look at the terms you used then your only ultimately fine with these characters because don't really notice them. If for some reason Blizzard decided to make Anduin gay than you probably will be pissed because then it's not just a random character.

if you've leveled your professions in legion, you know they exist. unless you never read any quest texts.

it's not that i don't notice them, it's that i'd rather not be given a sermon on "accepting X is the right thing to do, diversity is good!" in a fucking fantasy game. i don't care if anduin is bisexual(he couldn't be gay, he had a dwarf girlfriend and was drooling over a draenei girl). i just don't want things that are issues in real life, to be made issues in fantasy just so i can be taught the virtues of diversity.

i'm bisexual myself, i know that being gay is ok. i don't need to be taught that in every goddamned game i play. i'm not 5 years old.

[Edge-]

They aren't commonplace. Most qunari are so communist they hate any society that isn't like their own and exiles either live as bandits or mercinaries.. if they're not killed 1st.

Alright, so we've now established that Bull referencing himself and any other qunari existing in human societies as "out of place" is fitting then, no? That he'd recognize that despite him being there, they're still viewed largely as outsiders who don't conform to traditional norms and may not be widely accepted outside of their group.

Kinda like Krem.

But the point is that the sentence it making the player qunari think that Bull seems to think his own kind is weird by his own qunari standards instead of sticking out like a sore thumb in a non-qunari society.

No, by human standards, which makes sense in the context as that's who they're surrounded by. It can come off as him saying that he views horns as abnormal I guess, but I viewed that more as, "This world has a lot of crazy and "not normal" shit, what's one more thing?"

May just be a difference in interpretation, but I didn't take the way you did at all.

[Jastall]

i'm not talking about trans characters, though they make absolutely no sense in a setting where someone could just make their self the opposite gender with magic/tech.

i'm ultimately fine with the characters being there, it's how the world deals with it. there's two gay characters in wow, what happened when they showed up? you did a quest for one and nobody gave a shit about the fact they were gay, it wasn't made an issue. they were just another person that existed.

don't shove real world issues into the game just to make a big deal and talk about why x is wrong and why y is right.

Krem is a random soldier on the run, and magic like that doesn't exist in Dragon Age anyway, the backstory has a Tevinter magister who is also trans but can't magic it.

Regardless, nobody giving a shit can be a case of the world not making much sense. Dorian's dad in Inquisition gave a shit because noble Tevinter families are all about keeping the bloodlines pure so they can spawn the perfect mages, that the family might profit from their social ascendancy, that's canon since DA2 if memory serves. In this context, not caring about the family's only son being gay and not having any intention of pretending he isn't to spawn an heir would make no sense at all.

[Jamie081]

Remember all the drama with the recent Wolfenstein and you actually had incel nerds with cheeto-stained fingers on here defending the Nazis that were being killed? That's how I see this.

[Jshadowhunter]

Uhm, so you want to bring out that nonsense now?

The black hermione granger or the black storm trooper crap is a good example that proves that what you just wrote it pure nonsens. IN both cases the story doesn't really revolve around there skin colour but people like you bitched about it nonstop, hermione could be a xenomorph and technically it wouldn't have mattered. T

If we focus on Bioware for a moment. Everything they do is in your face really. If you make your character gay he/she is over the top gay, if you make your character straight he or she is over the top straight because in both instances your character tries to screw everything that has two legs.

ME: A has it's issues, I've bought it and the biggest difference between Andromeda and ME 1tm 3 has to do with more then just the story. Bioware stories where never really that good to begin with, I mean come on DA Origins and KOTOR are one of my all time favourites but in terms of stories they are just the biggest cliches you can find. Mass Effect Andromeda has flaws that goes deeper then just story.

BTW it must really suck though if you can't just play a game or watch a movie if you have to wonder if the next stage of that story involves a change you don't like.

Black Hermy is just Rowling BSing to try score social brownie points. Typical self-destruction of an author to try and stay relevant.
As for Force Awakens, Finn should've been the main character, when he had so much more story potential then the bland and boring maREY sue.

Also what player chooses to do in a game is a moot point, unless we're talking about choice not matching with the execution (see trying to woe Vivianne). It's not the same as what NPCs are designed to say.

And yes, there's more issues in ME:A then the narrative one, but story is still one of the biggest issues, even when it's not technically as in your face as "did you know I'm transgender" moment, it's a lot more subtle unless you played original trilogy you immideatly pick up on the story set up and design, which I think is result of "office politics" at Bioware, which is a public knowledge at this point.

[Wyattbw09]

Not gonna watch the video, is this more of the OMG SJW is taking over everything hysteria again?

[Cizr]

Is the racist guy who was working on ME:A also doing new DA?

[Shibito]

The storm clocks yelling “Skyrim belongs to the nords” and calling the lizards flighty scale backs while making them live out of city didn’t make me want to join them in the slightest. Really if your any thing other then a human you have no reason to want to side with a bunch of racist jerks.

Skyrim does belong to the nords, the imperials are dirty invaders!

[Jshadowhunter]

Not gonna watch the video, is this more of the OMG SJW is taking over everything hysteria again?

Skip to 4:32.