Strasbourg shooting

[Themius]

Their beliefs/Political Structure overlap a lot more than people would like to admit.

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Not even close to be an apt comparison. But not surprising something you'd say.

But the kkk started as a Christian group with strong ties to Christianity. If you can shit on all Muslims because of terrorist Muslims why can’t uou do the same for Christians?

[Coolthulhu]

What do you mean more powerful means nothing? It is the difference between a bullet passing through and a bullet causing extreme damage on impact like an explosion...

ER DOCTORS in particular note the differences between handgun wounds and ar 15 wounds. Why do you speak about shit you clearly don't know about I guess it is time to rally up the doctors and tell them to shut the fuck up while they're the ones treating all these people.

I mean it means nothing without a unit of measurement. More powerful as it in packs more kgm, more J? And why use such an argument anyway since it works against your own, given that it's less-powerful cartridges designed for handguns such as the .45 ACP that are designed to expand on impact and not pass through their targets? You clearly know nothing about this matter, and the more you try proving otherwise, the deeper you dig your own grave.
The ER doctors you refer to are probably those of an article I remember, very politically motivated people. Too bad what's written in the trauma manuals says nothing specifically about AR-15 wounds, but rather about 5.56 wounds, and it's often compared with other, much more powerful rifle cartridges such as the .308 nobody even thinks about banning. It's amusing and sad at the same time to see how many gullible people drank deep from the AR-15 boogeyman fearmongering.

[Coombs]

No one is denying for a single second that the culprit is extremely likely to be a Muslim (but maybe a convert). However, as most of other islamist terrorists, he is not a migrant, having been born in France in 1989....


Edit for honesty : he have been named during the night and he is a Muslim, following the pretty standard pattern of petty criminal becoming radicalized in prison

Edit for honesty!? Sarah, are you turning a new leaf?

[Spectral]

What do you mean more powerful means nothing? It is the difference between a bullet passing through and a bullet causing extreme damage on impact like an explosion...

This is incorrect. Higher muzzle velocity makes a bullet more likely to pass through a target and the main factor for passing through isn't velocity or energy but the type of bullet used. Bullets that "cause extreme damage on impact like an explosion" are the result of the use of hollow points; jacketed bullets that are used to pierce armor will tend to pass through a target, but this again has little to do with power.

This is also a weird way of thinking about "power", which I'd usually think of as being about kinetic energy. Which, yeah, cartridges fired from rifles do tend to have higher kinetic energy than those used for most handguns (with exceptions such as .44 magnums), but associating that with AR-15s is sufficiently off base to be not even wrong. An AR-15 is adaptable - the upper receiver can be switched out to have anything from the kind of low power .223 round you'd use to kill squirrels up to a .458 that would stop a bear in its tracks. That really has nothing to do with the AR-15 as a rifle model. A typical .308 hunting rifle has a ton of stopping power and hollow point rounds are legally required for most hunting - that's a weapon that "explodes" the hear and/or lungs of a 100 pound buck pretty easily.

I'd strongly suggest that if you're going to advocate any particular policies around weapons that you get more informed on the topic. As it is, you're engaging in some handwaving that looks like technical illiteracy on the topic.

[Stormdash]

Nevermind the reality that there are... a LOT of rifle calibers more powerful than 5.56/.223, there are probably some .357 mag, 10mm, .44 guys that would like a word on how an AR is a death ray compared to any handgun.

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Thats what makes it a fucking joke, jesus dude, take a second to laugh. You will find that life is better.

Jokes tend to be funny, your 'joke' is kind of devoided of humor.

[stevenho]

Their beliefs/Political Structure overlap a lot more than people would like to admit.

Yeah it's pretty funny how ignorant most of the SJWs are about the fact that there is zero tolerance for their kind in muslim countries
I mean you don't even have to go to embracing LGBTQ or even having women be equal, you can just stop at believing in god

[Themius]

I mean it means nothing without a unit of measurement. More powerful as it in packs more kgm, more J? And why use such an argument anyway since it works against your own, given that it's less-powerful cartridges designed for handguns such as the .45 ACP that are designed to expand on impact and not pass through their targets? You clearly know nothing about this matter, and the more you try proving otherwise, the deeper you dig your own grave.
The ER doctors you refer to are probably those of an article I remember, very politically motivated people. Too bad what's written in the trauma manuals says nothing specifically about AR-15 wounds, but rather about 5.56 wounds, and it's often compared with other, much more powerful rifle cartridges such as the .308 nobody even thinks about banning. It's amusing and sad at the same time to see how many gullible people drank deep from the AR-15 boogeyman fearmongering.

Is it really fearmongering? A gun that can be used with extremely deadly bullets with large magazines available and attachements to make it fire like an auto are problems no?

[Coolthulhu]

Is it really fearmongering? A gun that can be used with extremely deadly bullets with large magazines available and attachements to make it fire like an auto are problems no?

Yes it is. As has already been said, and not just by me, it doesn't actually fire anything deadlier than other guns do, guns that no one would dream of banning. Large magazines can be attached to a variety of guns, including semi-auto shotguns, and I'd rather take a 5.56 than a 12 gauge buckshot or slug, or hell, even large handgun calibers such as .45/.44.
Bump stocks and similar attachments are a stupid gimmick, most AR-15s don't come with receivers intended to support full auto, and aside from that, it's not like in the movies - it's very hard to aim properly when shooting full auto, very inefficient, and most certainly not a good idea in the overwhelming majority of gun crime scenarios. The Vegas shooting might've been an exception, but I'm not really too sure about that either. I'd feel more comfortable in running from an idiot with a bump stock than from someone aiming properly in semi-auto, that's for sure. They also make it more like ikely for the weapon to jam.

[Stormdash]

Is it really fearmongering? A gun that can be used with extremely deadly bullets with large magazines available and attachements to make it fire like an auto are problems no?

You can do exactly what a bumpstock can do with your bare hands. Or if you don't have the dexterity or arm strength for that, you can do it with a thumb through a belt loop.

[Vankrys]

I'd feel more comfortable in running from an idiot with a bump stock than from someone aiming properly in semi-auto, that's for sure. They also make it more like ikely for the weapon to jam.

that seems like a very reaching and franckly completely BS argument. In both case, you pretty much fucked, but have you seen what a bump stock does to the rate of fire. Even with lower accuracy, one of those many bullets will hit you.

[Stormdash]

that seems like a very reaching and franckly completely BS argument. In both case, you pretty much fucked, but have you seen what a bump stock does to the rate of fire. Even with lower accuracy, one of those many bullets will hit you.

No, in a weird "Twilight Zone" forced choice scenario you have objectively better odds trying to run from the bump-shooter. Not sure if you've ever watched someone do this, but since it's not the way the machine is designed to operate and instead is a particularly way of mis-using it (even with a mounted stock), what you see with bumpshooting is a lot of unintended stopping, because it gets out of rhythm with forward pressure on the stock to keep the trigger operating. And aiming is reduced to point-shooting at best.

Yeah, if I was put like 50 meters away from a shooter like a human skeet trap and told to make a run for the treeline, I'd much rather the "opponent" be someone bump firing an AR than someone shouldering it and looking through an optic and aiming.

While grim to discuss, plenty of subject matter experts think that the Vegas shooter would have been much more "effective" had he fired only on semi-auto, aimed shots, at different points of the crowd, for as long as it took until the crowd broke, and then just rapid-fired semi-auto. The idea being that aimed shots creating very local reactions ("what happened? buddy you okay?") throughout the crowd could have gone on quite a while before the entire crowd became aware of a general threat to all of them.

It's still troublesome just how little we've ever gotten about what Paddock's agenda was. Has nobody worked on it, or does nobody want to talk about it?

[Stormdash]

They both have guns.

They all wore pants, while we're blaming human evil on inanimate objects.

[Spectral]

Didn't know a pair of pants could end lives? The more you know

I haven't seen any mass killers that managed to do their deeds without wearing pants. Checkmate atheists.

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"They have guns" is not true for Muslim extremists. 9/11 was committed without guns. In Nice and Berlin the attackers technically had guns but the killings were mostly done by vehicle. And many of the sucessful (Madrid, London, Bruxelles) and attempted (Cologne) attacks in the last ten years were done with explosives.

Also I am pretty sure that the american gun discussion will have no impact on any measures France or Europe as a whole will undertake.

[Stormdash]

Didn't know a pair of pants could end lives? The more you know

Sure, you could absolutely kill someone with a pair of pants. Or a spatula. Objects are of little significance, since only human will gives them power.

[Stormdash]

Okay you come at me with a pair of pants and I will come at you with a gun.

Let's see who wins

I'm... gonna guess me, to be honest.

[ParanoiD84]

Here is a pretty picture of the piece of shit dead, gonna have some celebratory drinks to that tonight.

Shame his dad didnt use a condom.

I used the pixelated picture just in case rules and all.

[Seven of Nine]

Here is a pretty picture of the piece of shit dead, gonna have some celebratory drinks to that tonight.

I suggest seeking urgent professional help.

[ParanoiD84]

I suggest seeking urgent professional help.

Why i feel so damn good and everything is working out super duper.

Perhaps you dont like to see dead terrorist's?