3+ Dead, bowling alley shooting in California.

[Appelgren]

Mass shootings make up less than 2% of the annual shootings.

Yet it makes up 99% of news about guns. Yeah.. there is no agenda behind that at all

[Zeek Daniels]

around 35.000 people die every year in usa from gun violence,lets try to add that up,hmmm im sorry its not dozens a day,its 95...my bad,truly a bastion of safety

Yea but the US has 325.7 million people. So its what .0001% of the population dying to gun violence?

[Farath]

The people have a responsibility to stay armed to serve as a check against the state. The founders discussed this ad nauseum. Your insistence on making this a simple black and white issue of being for or against massacres is quite pathetic.

And you're welcome to never visit America. See, now the second amendment doesn't affect you at all.

Hey, thanks for bringing up the founder fathers and the second amendment. Make sure when you're explaining their reasoning, you be sure to state it was originally there to overthrow corrupt governments with a well trained militia. Not every Tom, Dick and inbred Harry. And that all made great sense back when it was muskets and bayonets. These days though, it's drones with missiles. Don't try and act as though the second amendment hasn't been completely warped from its original purpose, it's quite pathetic.

[Themius]

Everyone always treats this issue in black and white. How you would you feel if your mom was shot by someone with an illegal gun because she had her legal one taken away?

I'm of the opinion that guns don't kill people... people do. And while I can see some of the sense in trying to ban then, it wouldn't be a magical solution that solves everything. It would take one problem and replace it with a different one, one with ramifications that, as per usual, you are not even considering because you are so obsessed with being right.

I hate guns. I don't plan on ever owning one. But I also understand their necessity.

Nukes don't kill people, people do.

[deenman]

Yea but the US has 325.7 million people. So its what .0001% of the population dying to gun violence?

Sure,but i said dozens die daily,and he denied it

[smegmage]

Simple. Not licensed to own a firearm? Found to own one? Criminal charges. Not fucking rocket science. How literally anything like this is enforced.

That still doesn't address the 400 million firearms in circulation, it only punishes those who are found to have one unlawfully (something that already happens). There is no solution to nearly half a billion firearms dispersed throughout a country apart from massive social change, which isn't happening in the US.

[Endus]

That still doesn't address the 400 million firearms in circulation, it only punishes those who are found to have one unlawfully (something that already happens). There is no solution to nearly half a billion firearms dispersed throughout a country apart from massive social change, which isn't happening in the US.

It doesn't have to.

If you passed a law banning handguns, say, without someone earning a license to own one, then you can provide an amnesty period for people to turn illicit weapons over to the police, and after that, if they find one and you're not licensed, you get charged.

Same exact way they can charge you for having certain drugs in your possession without a valid prescription.

Doesn't mean you're going into people's houses without warrants. It just means if a search turns up an unlawful weapon, bam, that's an extra charge.

[smegmage]

It doesn't have to.

If you passed a law banning handguns, say, without someone earning a license to own one, then you can provide an amnesty period for people to turn illicit weapons over to the police, and after that, if they find one and you're not licensed, you get charged.

Same exact way they can charge you for having certain drugs in your possession without a valid prescription.

Doesn't mean you're going into people's houses without warrants. It just means if a search turns up an unlawful weapon, bam, that's an extra charge.

How old were you when the long gun registry came into effect in Canada? I wasn't very old, but I distinctly remember the sentiments of family members who were opposed to it. Once I got older I learned just how many family members and friends refused to comply, the numbers who refused greatly outnumbered those who complied. The same would happen if you tried to ban handguns and certain types of rifles, I know I wouldn't be turning mine in and I'm a pretty liberal gun owner.

Sure the hypothetical you propose will cut down on a certain number of deaths, but will it have the massive change that's needed to quell spree killings? If the goal is to create hurdles that band-aid the problem then yes, your proposal will have a measurable effect. If the goal is to end killings and firearm violence rates that are a damn near national sport then I don't believe it'll end with success.

[Endus]

How old were you when the long gun registry came into effect in Canada? I wasn't very old, but I distinctly remember the sentiments of family members who were opposed to it. Once I got older I learned just how many family members and friends refused to comply, the numbers who refused greatly outnumbered those who complied. The same would happen if you tried to ban handguns and certain types of rifles, I know I wouldn't be turning mine in and I'm a pretty liberal gun owner.

Sure the hypothetical you propose will cut down on a certain number of deaths, but will it have the massive change that's needed to quell spree killings? If the goal is to create hurdles that band-aid the problem then yes, your proposal will have a measurable effect. If the goal is to end killings and firearm violence rates that are a damn near national sport then I don't believe it'll end with success.

I was an adult when the long gun registry came into effect; it was a good idea, but horribly mismanaged.

And really, why should I take the views of people owning illegal weapons as reasonable contributors? It's really no different than listening to a heroin addict complaining that drug laws make it harder for them to get a fix.

[smegmage]

And really, why should I take the views of people owning illegal weapons as reasonable contributors? It's really no different than listening to a heroin addict complaining that drug laws make it harder for them to get a fix.

Are you talking about firearms that will be made illegal, or firearms which are already illegal? There's a difference between someone who chose to procure something illegally and someone who was made a criminal simply by not complying to a law change. It's nothing like a heroin addict, the heroin was always illegal to possess.

[Deleted]

I live in the UK and whenever I have to go to America (work trip to work at customer sites) I legitimately get scared, never know when someone has a gun hidden... I never have this feeling when I travel anywhere in Europe honestly. Sure it's a very low chance and the media usually makes a bigger deal out of it but it does leave it on your mind.

[Paraka]

If we ban guns we only deter lesser gun related deaths at bowling allies.

If we get off our asses and also ban bowling allies we can eliminate all deaths at all bowling allies.

Also gets rid of bad Big Lebowski quotes after a while, so another big win.

[Endus]

Are you talking about firearms that will be made illegal, or firearms which are already illegal? There's a difference between someone who chose to procure something illegally and someone who was made a criminal simply by not complying to a law change. It's nothing like a heroin addict, the heroin was always illegal to possess.

Heroin used to be legal, dude. Hell, "heroin" is technically a brand name that Bayer used in selling the product in pharmacies.

Picture example;

[Endus]

Can we pass a law banning having too much money as well? Or a law that forces corporations to respect free speech?

Seems about in the same ballpark as forcing (through a new law) gun owners to give up their possessions.

Except that the kind of law I'm proposing is pretty much standard practice in the developed world, outside of the USA. Which you're ignoring, to push an agenda.

[smegmage]

Heroin used to be legal, dude. Hell, "heroin" is technically a brand name that Bayer used in selling the product in pharmacies.

Picture example;

TIL

Anyways, that's not the point I was trying to receive clarification on. I'm asking if you're talking about people made criminals overnight or those who made the choice to become one. There is a significant difference between the two. I don't know too many heroin addicts who became addicted to the products you're describing.

[Kumorii]

then you can provide an amnesty period for people to turn illicit weapons over to the police

here in sweden the police does this during few days, not sure if it's every year or every couple of years. The amount of illegal weapons they get in is quite staggering.

[Gen4Glock21]

Not a huge amount of intel out yet. but 3+ victims it looks like, single shooter. no idea on who.

Thoughts/prayers etc to the victims and their families.

fucking shame for this world.. we made it 4/5 days without a mass shooting in 2019.. get your shit together world.











https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a4031136.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8712741.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ng/2489887002/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-...225916653.html

It's a shame we have made it 6 days before our first mass killing in a car accident/DUI. On a serious note, thoughts and prayers to the family.

[mickybrighteyes]

He can't cite his claims, because it's only true in the alternative dimension alt-righters live in.

or it's a joke.

though considering you open up with 'pro-murder' laws I think you might need to reconsider calling out others on alternate dimension living arrangements

[kasuke06]

Sure,but i said dozens die daily,and he denied it

Sorry, I didn't quite get your meaning, thought you meant 12 mass shootings a day, but since your entire argument is inherently disingenuous I doubt you can blame me. you're including suicides in your tally.

So should we include masturbation in rape tallies?

[Surfd]

The people have a responsibility to stay armed to serve as a check against the state. The founders discussed this ad nauseum.

That has got to be the dumbest thing I have heard all week....

Responsibility? What the fuck? Since when did "right to bear arms" become "responsibility to bear arms". It was never, EVER, a "responsibility" and was only considered a "right" as far as the founding fathers were concerned in regards to "the people" as a collective entity, not as an individual....

Also, great, the Founding Fathers discussed it Ad nauseum. Too bad the founding fathers lived almost 2 hundred fucking years ago, where the most advanced weaponry of the time were field cannons and muzzle loading muskets with a single shot firing rate of around 3 shots a minute in the hands of professionally trained soldiers..... I mean, christ, they intentionally designed the constitution so that it could be amended EXPRESSLY to prevent the dumbfuckery you are living with now, where 200 years worth of technological development later we have individual single man operated guns with more accurate lethal firepower than an entire musket brigade, but are still operating under a law that thinks that the people are going to rise up and fight the government with fucking smooth bore muzzle loading muskets.