The Brexit aftermath thread

[Xarkan]

It is that sort of attitude that caused Brexit to win in the first place.

You and the other Brexiteers haven't really posted anything that is notably superior intellectually to the stuff Dribbles comes out with. His stuff might as well be copied from the Express, your stuff might as well be from the Guardian or Der Spielgel or whatever: tedious packaged neoliberal horseshit rationalizing your own tribal prejudices the way dribbles does.

I mean do point out where you or any one said anything interesting but mostly you are just reposting stuff off the internet. You people seem just as incapable of analysis, original research or independent thought as dribbles is.

But for Dribbles this thread probably would cease to exist apart from the occassional "why-oh-why" post as the country disintegrates.

Dribbles posting largely amounts to country bashing if you get to the core of it..

[Kiri]

It is that sort of attitude that caused Brexit to win in the first place.

You and the other Brexiteers haven't really posted anything that is notably superior intellectually to the stuff Dribbles comes out with. His stuff might as well be copied from the Express, your stuff might as well be from the Guardian or Der Spielgel or whatever: tedious packaged neoliberal horseshit rationalizing your own tribal prejudices the way dribbles does.

I mean do point out where you or any one said anything interesting but mostly you are just reposting stuff off the internet. You people seem just as incapable of analysis, original research or independent thought as dribbles is.

But for Dribbles this thread probably would cease to exist apart from the occassional "why-oh-why" post as the country disintegrates.

Are you confusing me with someone? I don't know how one could look at my post history and pen me a Brexiteer, or just someone regurgitating stuff from the internet.

[Noradin]

I mean do point out where you or any one said anything interesting but mostly you are just reposting stuff off the internet. You people seem just as incapable of analysis, original research or independent thought as dribbles is.

Maybe you should spent some of the time you use to create forum accounts to read some posts?

Also, "original research"? You mean anecdotes with commentary?
This is an anonymous forum, not a place to publish original work.
If there is to be a discussion based on facts to be had here it must be on analysis and publicly available sources from elsewhere.

"Original work" is what Floopa posts.

[Slant]

It is that sort of attitude that caused Brexit to win in the first place.

You and the other Brexiteers haven't really posted anything that is notably superior intellectually to the stuff Dribbles comes out with. His stuff might as well be copied from the Express, your stuff might as well be from the Guardian or Der Spielgel or whatever: tedious packaged neoliberal horseshit rationalizing your own tribal prejudices the way dribbles does.

I mean do point out where you or any one said anything interesting but mostly you are just reposting stuff off the internet. You people seem just as incapable of analysis, original research or independent thought as dribbles is.

But for Dribbles this thread probably would cease to exist apart from the occassional "why-oh-why" post as the country disintegrates.

Ah, a judgmental, high horse sitting moral arbiter pretending he's the voice of reason... missing the point by a mile.

[Acidbaron]

Report burners for ban evasion and be done with it.

[Vankrys]

It is that sort of attitude that caused Brexit to win in the first place.

You and the other Brexiteers haven't really posted anything that is notably superior intellectually to the stuff Dribbles comes out with. His stuff might as well be copied from the Express, your stuff might as well be from the Guardian or Der Spielgel or whatever: tedious packaged neoliberal horseshit rationalizing your own tribal prejudices the way dribbles does.

I mean do point out where you or any one said anything interesting but mostly you are just reposting stuff off the internet. You people seem just as incapable of analysis, original research or independent thought as dribbles is.

But for Dribbles this thread probably would cease to exist apart from the occassional "why-oh-why" post as the country disintegrates.

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Are you dribbles? did you create that account to self compliment?

[ithusiac]

Report burners for ban evasion and be done with it.

You respond to any kind of contrary argument with these petty appeals to authority.

The truth is, you are very, very stupid and you can't construct a response.

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# of posts : 2

Are you dribbles? did you create that account to self compliment?

RTranslation: "I am so fucking stupid I think everyone who disagrees with me is a Brexiteer."

[ghathwathar]

Ah, a judgmental, high horse sitting moral arbiter pretending he's the voice of reason... missing the point by a mile.

Says the German commenting on the affairs of another country he doesn't live in, doesn't understand and doesn't speak the language properly.

[lolpve]

the EU is big enough to absorb the shock. Individually, some companies might go down, but the EU as a whole will weather the storm. Companies can find other market, within the EU or other trading partner (like japan for instance)

The UK however will be for a decent amount of time, on WTO rules with the rest of the world, with no trade deal in action yet. WTO is absolutely horrible for business, no country whatsoever is trading on WTO rules willingly. Those WTO tariff represent the maximum possible. Any deal is better than WTO. And getting a schedule accepted by the WTO to reduce those tariff might take anywhere between 5 to 10 years, simply because everyone of the 164 countries have to agree. Some countries may refuse to agree with the schedule just to spite the Uk, and the UK would have to bribe them with concession.

It kills me to see some british having such a positive, almost romantic view of WTO.

What a cretinous post.

The EU does not absorb anything. German taxpayers will absorb it, to the tune of billions. How gracious of you to express such confidence in the willngness of Germans to be extorted out of billions undemocratically. Seems to be a theme with you leftists to be so blasé about other people's money.

The WTO Brexit is a trade deal, that's the point of it, it's a default trade deal used by many countries indeed the UK already trades with many countries under WTO rules (just via the EU over which we have almost no control).

Trade deals do not take 10 years. The EU-South Korea free trade deal took 4 years from application to implementation, and that required member state ratification. Any UK trade deals after Brexit would not require multilateral ratification.

Your fantasy of the UK having to "bribe" nations for a trade deal is also fucking moronic considering a huge list of countries are already in negotiations for a free trade deal and have been since 2016. You would have a point if the UK had a trade surplus, which it does not. The UK is Germany's biggest vehicle export market, if you think those big German firms will happily let Brits switch to buying Japanese, Korean, American cars (which are often superior to EU-subsidised cars anyway) you are delusional.

Besides all that the main argument for Brexit is not actually economic. It is a matter of not wanting to be part of a now rather obviously authoritarian and deranged regime that aims to crush nations states under a centralised unaccountable globalist rule. It's no wonder that Leave and particularly Hard Brexit have only increased in popularity since the referendum after peoplel have seen the British economy outpace the EU since 2016, and the EU become increasingly hostile towards national sovereignty, traditional values and political opposition in general.

It's frightening that there are people out there so economically clueless and it goes to show the extent to which fake news media can dictate narratives.

[ghathwathar]

What a cretinous post.

The EU does not absorb anything. German taxpayers will absorb it, to the tune of billions. How gracious of you to express such confidence in the willngness of Germans to be extorted out of billions undemocratically.

German taxpayers have done very well out of the EU, they should be paying a lot more for the damage they have caused.

If they don't like it they can vote for parties which will leave the EU. No one forces them to vote for Merkel or whomever is pro-eu.

I'd add: almost all of the problems in the EU were caused by the German's hamfisted immigration policy and their promotion of failed neoliberal economics. It is almost entirely their fault Brexit is happening and the far right is on the march across Europe.

[dribbles]

# of posts : 2

Are you dribbles? did you create that account to self compliment?

No, whoever the burner is is far more eloquent than me, but I dunno why he/she doesn't create a proper account if only to allow obvious continuity of debate.

And anyway why would I need a burner? I always only make fair, accurate and non controversial comments dismantling project fear type EU remain propaganda and other nonsense in a calm measured way. Of course the truth hurts, and sometimes you can almost smell the fear and tears of those trying to smear Brexit, but there it is. I try to do it as delicately as possible, but sometimes to stop the EU cancer metastasising uncontrollably the medicine prescribed is painful.

The cure to EU madness will be worth it though.

Incidentally timecheck, 1066 hours until that sweet sweet no deal... tick tock

[Pann]

No, whoever the burner is is far more eloquent than me...

Hold on, hold on... does this mean that I... I mean we... have gained another multiple personality???

On a serious note it is more than a little sad that when confronted with an opinion that does not conform with their little echo chamber some posters are so quick to allege that it must be you (or is that me???) posting from an alternative account.

Oh damn it... I've just realised that by replying to you that I have conclusively proved that I must support leave. /s

[dribbles]

Hold on, hold on... does this mean that I... I mean we... have gained another multiple personality???

On a serious note it is more than a little sad that when confronted with an opinion that does not conform with their little echo chamber some posters are so quick to allege that it must be you (or is that me???) posting from an alternative account.

Oh damn it... I've just realised that by replying to you that I have conclusively proved that I must support leave. /s

Moderates like us, even if not on the same side, share much in common it's understandable that the delusional pro EU remaniacs so far away from the centre ground, wallowing in their fanaticism, find it hard to distinguish the difference between reluctant leavers/remainers.

Anyone in the UK who doesn't turn South-East and pray to the EU gods in Brussels at least once a day for deliverance is destined for hell anyhow, President Tusk told me in his sermon recently I am going, by conversing with the devil I think you are doomed too.

Anyway, I dunno why I'm talking/responding to myself...

[dribbles]

to be fair you've been responding to yourself for 700 odd pages now

How do you know that you are not the only non dribbles poster on this whole thread? Worrying isn't it...

[Noradin]

Hold on, hold on... does this mean that I... I mean we... have gained another multiple personality???

Two more of them, maybe three

[Fuiking]

Two more of them, maybe three

Maybe all posters here are Dribbles? I mean, we, I, ehm yeah.

[Dizzeeyooo]

it's a default trade deal used by many countries indeed the UK already trades with many countries under WTO rules

Examples please.

(just via the EU over which we have almost no control)

Having significant voting rights and being able to veto anything we want = "having almost no control", ok then.

The EU-South Korea free trade deal took 4 years from application to implementation

Negotiations began in 2007, and the agreement entered into force at the end of 2015 - the agreement also benefited heavily from two historical agreements that were signed in 1997 and 2001

how you get "4 years lol ez" from that is interesting, but anyway

[Slant]

Says the German commenting on the affairs of another country he doesn't live in, doesn't understand and doesn't speak the language properly.

Just to remove that misunderstanding, this isn't a matter of the UK. This is a matter of the EU and the UK. I don't care if the UK thinks this is all domestic and has nothing to do with the EU, but "leaving the EU" involves the EU by definition. And as a EU citizen, I very much will comment on this topic. These kinds of misconceptions are not my problem, but I will keep pointing them out, just so people understand why I have little sympathy with Brexiteers once reality hits them in the guts.

[LeGin Tufnel]

There once was a socialist prole
whose efforts at flaming were drole.
Inherently racist,
his views are abrasive,
he is a fraud and an arsehole.

[Slant]

What a cretinous post.

The EU does not absorb anything. German taxpayers will absorb it, to the tune of billions. How gracious of you to express such confidence in the willngness of Germans to be extorted out of billions undemocratically. Seems to be a theme with you leftists to be so blasé about other people's money.

The WTO Brexit is a trade deal, that's the point of it, it's a default trade deal used by many countries indeed the UK already trades with many countries under WTO rules (just via the EU over which we have almost no control).

Trade deals do not take 10 years. The EU-South Korea free trade deal took 4 years from application to implementation, and that required member state ratification. Any UK trade deals after Brexit would not require multilateral ratification.

Your fantasy of the UK having to "bribe" nations for a trade deal is also fucking moronic considering a huge list of countries are already in negotiations for a free trade deal and have been since 2016. You would have a point if the UK had a trade surplus, which it does not. The UK is Germany's biggest vehicle export market, if you think those big German firms will happily let Brits switch to buying Japanese, Korean, American cars (which are often superior to EU-subsidised cars anyway) you are delusional.

Besides all that the main argument for Brexit is not actually economic. It is a matter of not wanting to be part of a now rather obviously authoritarian and deranged regime that aims to crush nations states under a centralised unaccountable globalist rule. It's no wonder that Leave and particularly Hard Brexit have only increased in popularity since the referendum after peoplel have seen the British economy outpace the EU since 2016, and the EU become increasingly hostile towards national sovereignty, traditional values and political opposition in general.

It's frightening that there are people out there so economically clueless and it goes to show the extent to which fake news media can dictate narratives.

Every Germany I talked to is less concerned with their taxmoney and more concerned with ending this madness. If need be, by letting the UK crash out. The common notion is that "pain is a useful lesson" sometimes.

WTO is not a trade deal. It's a collection of minimalist rules that are the representation of a LACK of a trade deal. There is no country on this planet at the moment that solely deals with WTO and has no process going to have at least one trade deal. The only country that has no trade deal whatsoever is one of those tiny African states. And they're in the process of negotiating a trade deal. With the EU. Who else?

Trade deals take 5-10 years easily. Japan and Canada? around 8 years or so. 10 years is a ballpark figure, taking it literal doesn't make you sound smart, it makes you sound like a pedantic nitpicker. You very well know the point that is being made.

Btw, I really like the bit in your ridiculous shitpost where you claim

the UK already trades with many countries under WTO rules (just via the EU over which we have almost no control).

only to then directly contradict yourself the next paragraph by saying

The EU-South Korea free trade deal took 4 years from application to implementation, and that required member state ratification. Any UK trade deals after Brexit would not require multilateral ratification.

So, which is it, liar? You can't have it both ways. Either you have "almost no control" or you "have to have multilateral ratification"? See, this is the annoying thing with Brexiteer lunatics... COMMON SENSE tells us that we shouldn't have to respond to clownboats like you at all, because your argument is so fucking retarded that you routintely destroy it yourself. But you're not phased by the lack of logic, you just keep stomping on... and all emotional you make up bullshit as you go along, convincing even yourself that your bullshit is true. Words cannot describe the contempt I have for people like you, but let's move on...

The EU-South Korea trade deal only took 4 years, because they practically copied the US-SK trade deal and amended it to suit the particular needs of the EU and SK in their relationship. The UK is so vastly different from anyone else that just copying another trade deal and "fixing it up" won't do. And they will need to make a comprehensive trade deal from scratch. ESPECIALLY since the UK tends to ask for cherries all the fucking time, something countries like SK don't do when they deal with economic giants like the US and the EU.

The countries "queueing" up for a trade deal with the UK are three (or four?) insignificant African states that have little actual impact on UK trade. The big players with the juicy markets? They are very much waiting to see what happens. Funny story, of those... many already objected to the preferential WTO scheduling the UK has suggested. So yeah, good luck banking on their goodwill. They won't act on the behalf of the UK. They won't gift you anything. As for the German auto industry. They are surprisingly quiet for your claim that they "won't let this happen". They are letting it happen. And they are watching Nissan and Toyota pull out of the UK. This is already reality and fact. It is HAPPENING at the same time you're making a post that it's not happening. You're a liar.

And that brings us to the last paragraph... a collection of "best of" far-right extremist arguments. Everyone else is authoritarian, deranged, globalist... the EU is undemocratic, crushing and oppressing nations, Leave is increasing in popularity and the UK economic is outpacing the EU's economy.

Well, it's been debunked often enough, but suffice to say that actual economics, you know, the people that ACTUALLY decide where money goes? They're saying it doesn't go into the UK. GDP growth is at a new low point that hasn't been seen since the 2008 global economy crisis. Investments are almost at an all time low, the drop in investments in the past year has been unprecedented... So yeah, fuck whatever you think is happening, your far right-wing blogshit fantasy has very short legs... and you're being proven wrong every day. You're just one more of those dishonest liars making up scare stories about the UK, playing the victim far-right card adn pretending everything will be fine because... unicorns?