Trump vows "America will never be a socialist country"

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Hitler was a socialist in both belief and actions, the fascist manifesto itself was a deeply socialist document. I'm not really too sure how anyone can read 20th century history without grasping these facts unless they have an emotional need to distinguish their precious socialism from its hundreds of atrocities in the 20th century.

By not reading McCarthyist and Nazi propaganda and accepting it as truth.

Which you, apparently, can't manage to accomplish, since your entire argument here boils down to you swallowing propaganda without ever thinking about it.

The Nazis were as "socialist" as North Korea is "democratic";
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazi...story/10214302
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
https://www.britannica.com/story/wer...zis-socialists

Fascism largely emerged to combat socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

You're not reading history. You're reading propaganda, and you cannot tell the difference.

[Felya]

Incoming mob of fist-thumping invertebrate soyboys desperate to bring down the capitalist patriarchy and replace it with the communist utopia social justice.

As a refugee from USSR, welcomed into the US, escaping communist “SJW”... I find this comment hilarious. Aren’t you the guy that just used The Dunning–Kruger in another thread? lol

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You're not reading history. You're reading propaganda, and you cannot tell the difference.

I have no clue how it even works... Socialism and the racism that defines fascism, are wholly incompatible. We are the collective... no... not you guys. Is not socialism... even on most basic terms.

[Gelannerai]

As a refugee from USSR, welcomed into the US, escaping communist “SJW”... I find this comment hilarious. Aren’t you the guy that just used The Dunning–Kruger in another thread? lol

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I have no clue how it even works... Socialism and the racism that defines fascism, are wholly incompatible. We are the collective... no... not you guys. Is not socialism... even on most basic terms.

It’s an inability to admit or accept fault in one’s own political ideology.

[Mehrunes]

Literally the last line: "I thought I might warn you before you make an utter fool of yourself by linking Wikipedia as the perfect evidence."

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/...de_poland.html

Your source, as always, fucking stinks. WTF is "Rumania" to begin with? How is someone incapable of getting a name of a country straight even once in that article supposed to be any authority on the geopolitics of Europe at the time? How is someone quoting a guy saying that even his fellow Marxists are demonizing USSR in WWII by claiming it invaded Poland supposed to be an impartial source on this?

But let's get to the actual topic. The part about "Rumania" is patently false. Poland and Romania had a defensive alliance at the time. The very reason why Poland decided not to call Romania for aid at the time is because by not enforcing the alliance they'd be able to use Romania as an exit route, as Poland was surrounded by enemy states from all other sides. The reason Romania interned Polish government isn't because it crossed into it territory, but because Germany and USSR pressured them into interning the Polish government.

Secondly, the idea that Poland had no government at the time is bogus. A government getting interned in another country doesn't magically make it not a government. In addition, the conclusion in regards of the 4th point, contained in the 4th paragraph of that, does not follow from the source offered there. On top of that, the moron that wrote your shitstain of a source says that Poland should have, among the options said moron deems acceptable, to have had a government in exile in an allied nation like France or UK. But what's that? Oh, right, Polish government, after getting interned, passed executive mantle onto the Polish government in exile in France (that later on moved to UK).

Also, the claim that Poland was racist and hypernationalist, let alone fascist, at the time is complete crock of shit. Sanation government was centrist, leaning to the left. That left-leaning was stronger the higher up the government hierarchy you went. There were some fascist movements in Poland in the interwar period, and would you look at that, they were political enemies of the Sanation. They were also so hypernationalist they tried to make a political block from Baltic to Mediterranean Sea.

The crock of shit you once again disgraced this forum with also hurrdurrs about France and UK not declaring war against USSR after it attacked Poland, completely ignoring that the latest defensive alliance Poland had with France, signed earlier in 1939, was aimed at Germany alone from the get go, while UK had an additional protocol to their defensive alliance with Poland on the same exact issue.

[Xarkan]

I know you people hate these two words, but: Prove it.

Hint: You cannot prove it, because it's bullshit. All you will find are unsubstantiated claims that they did, but no proof. I thought I might warn you before you make an utter fool of yourself by linking Wikipedia as the perfect evidence.

I do not know who you think my people are

However my political party was founded by a former member of the Danish Communist Party, a former ardent defender of ComIntern, a person who let it slide when Stalin's regime demanded that he recant and repent ever having talked to Trotsky, a person who let it slide that Stalin's regime arrested the Danish Communist partys representative to ComIntern (Arne Munch-Petersen) on bogus charges of being a trotskist and let him die of pneumonia in a moscow prison and then demanded that noone ever tell what happened, a person who let it slide when Stalin's regime demanded that they surrender to the nazi will during the occupation of Denmark*, a person who let it take untill the invasion of Hungary to finally have enough of the Soviet communists (not that he was the only Danish communist to finally say enough at the time)

I may be biased against Stalin

*) since the founder of my party was in fact a known member of the Danish Resistance it should be said he did not obey that directive

[Deletedaccount1]

By not reading McCarthyist and Nazi propaganda and accepting it as truth.

Which you, apparently, can't manage to accomplish, since your entire argument here boils down to you swallowing propaganda without ever thinking about it.

I don't think it's fair to say that fascism and socialism (by which I mean the most far left-wing) are the same thing but they undeniably have similar origins. Marx's ideology in his lifetime was essentially a combination of his contemporary socialists like Ferdinand Lassalle and classical economics with a smattering of Hegel. Communism and fascism would almost certainly not have existed without Hegel's influence.

Fascism itself developed out of Mussolini's socialism combined with Giovanni Gentile's extreme take on Hegel. Complete acquiescence to the state is the underlying similarity in these two ideologies. Luckily, socialism in the developed world has abandoned its worst early influences and fascism is a fringe ideology.

[PosPosPos]

Incoming mob of fist-thumping invertebrate soyboys desperate to bring down the capitalist patriarchy and replace it with the communist utopia social justice.

And yet, your alt-right is the one that came up with the hilarious group that is called "incels".

If someone is a "soyboy" based on not being masculine or self-confident enough, pretty sure your incels take the cake.

Hitler was a socialist in both belief and actions, the fascist manifesto itself was a deeply socialist document. I'm not really too sure how anyone can read 20th century history without grasping these facts unless they have an emotional need to distinguish their precious socialism from its hundreds of atrocities in the 20th century.

Yeah, socialism, which is defined by the inclusion, acceptance and equality of the whole, is totally about excluding certain races and demographics like fascism is.



Such world-class mental gymnastics define our deplorables, it seems.

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Yeah, socialism, which is defined by the inclusion, acceptance and equality of the whole, is totally about excluding certain races and demographics like fascism is.



Such world-class mental gymnastics define our deplorables, it seems.

And the argument is always "but their propaganda said so, and if you can't trust a Nazi, who can you trust?"

It'd be funny if it wasn't so goddamned sad.

[PosPosPos]

And the argument is always "but their propaganda said so, and if you can't trust a Nazi, who can you trust?"

It'd be funny if it wasn't so goddamned sad.

I mean....they are psychological projections personified.

They do half the work off the bat for law enforcement and prosecutors because they essentially make an informal confession each time they mouth off about some other entity of committing crimes.

[Aenigma84]

Then with your trackrecord i sure hope they don't let you vote in the US.

(btw: Belfast is the capital of Northern Ireland you stupid Russian)

northern Ireland isnt a independend country though
and alot of people see UK = England

[Felya]

I may be biased against Stalin

No, I don’t think so. My family was in USSR at the time and they totally agree.

[TotallyGenericName]

Delusional. It already is a hybrid one.

Hextor is absolutely correct. Believe it or not, you can create a select handful of social policies and keep them at a bare minimum while servicing the needs of those who would really benefit from them.

Things like taking care of those who physically cannot work for one reason or another. Hell, I am even okay with the unemployment social system because it at least shows an expressed interest in employment.

Generic social systems for any who claim it though can be very problematic. If we don't set clear defined boundaries and restrictions for what defines a use case, we genuinely risk rampant wide spread abuse. Which, unsurprisingly, is exactly what we have right now.

I don't know a single Democrat alive who can, with a straight face, claim that our social programs are "effective" and "working as intended."