Far left democrats and SJWs are scaring off moderates like me.

[Wyrt]

The Republican's obsession with a freshman Democrat congresswoman is really weird.

[Kraenen]

AOC is a freshman representative from a solidly blue borough whose power is entirely based around here 3 million twitter followers and the fact as a 28 year old millennial she's a lot better at social media than the traditional Washington crowd.

She has a soap box to stand on and nothing more. She is in charge of no committees. She is not a power broker. Nobody owes her their career.

Yeah, this sounds pretty good. I hope this continues to be true. I mean, if it weren't for the dissymetry in how the right and left put their crazies in power (right -> gov, left -> education + media), we wouldn't have to have faced the dreadful possibility of Sarah Palin being VP or even President. My feeling/hope is that AOC will just be some extremist with hype that gets left in the dust of sensible people. But then again, we all know how a similar prediction crashed and burned in 2016.

[mvaliz]

Yeah, this sounds pretty good. I hope this continues to be true. I mean, if it weren't for the dissymetry in how the right and left put their crazies in power (right -> gov, left -> education + media), we wouldn't have to have faced the dreadful possibility of Sarah Palin being VP or even President. My feeling/hope is that AOC will just be some extremist with hype that gets left in the dust of sensible people. But then again, we all know how a similar prediction crashed and burned in 2016.

You see... this is the kinda self-trolling I'm talking about @Skroe.

AOC... an "extremist"... lol. >_<

[Kraenen]

I couldn't agree more. That's why I brought up specific missteps that they made in interviews. Palin is an absolute birther nutjob and talks directly out of her ass the vast majority of the time. AOC is young and ambitious and I just happen to disagree with the economic policy she supports.

Huh. Is her youth really that influential on your bias? I mean I remember making fun of Palin for saying weird things like "The Department of Law", but I never just said "oh well, that was just her misspeaking".

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You see... this is the kinda self-trolling I'm talking about @Skroe.

AOC... an "extremist"... lol. >_<

I mean, are you of the belief all of her policies are within the normal overton window of American politics?

In other words, I'll take the idealist over the crank any day.

Let's just say I'm glad we don't have to pick either of them and call it at that :P

[agentsi]

Every side has their set of crazies, stick to your guns and don't be put off, its no different than the ordinary right wingers feeling they have to contend with KKK on the same side as them. :P

As a leftie myself I have to contend with the far left nuts just as the right wingers have to contend with the far right nuts. And even if your a fense sitter, there are probably a bunch of fence sitting nuts too. Every party has their extremes, you cannot hide from them,. Just be you

Funny, that the KKK is a democratically founded entity, that is still based around democratic ideas. I'm not saying that to get a rise out of you, I just find it so odd that the left denies it or use it as propaganda to push conflict out of the right. KKK is very far left. Always has been.

I agree with you OP 100%. I find myself to be very center of the road, going left or right depending on the issue at hand. But if I don't agree with the ENTIRE agenda one side pushes, I get told I'm a nazi, or a facist. Even though, the current far left, is about as facist as I've seen in my lifetime.

[Jonnusthegreat]

It seems like both sides have it's crazies. I'd probably be Republican if not for the zealots and the science deniers.

[Wewlad]

The desperation to frame AOC as some sort of "Dem Trump" to wreck the KKK Nazis is fucking hilarious.

[Wyrt]

I mean, are you of the belief all of her policies are within the normal overton window of American politics?

Most of her policies are perfectly normal.

The questionable ones are things like welfare for people unwilling to work, but I'm not even sure if that's an actual policy she has or just something that was a mistake.

[Kraenen]

Shame. The above sentence would make for a great match of boxing. Of course, to be played in a civilized, sportsmanlike manner, we're not savages, at least I am not one, I am the anti-war guy after all...

I do have to say I find it amusing your avatar is Vlad the Impaler. Although I guess his fight was defending against Ottoman aggression/imperialism. I should read up on his life a bit more!

[Skroe]

Yeah, this sounds pretty good. I hope this continues to be true. I mean, if it weren't for the dissymetry in how the right and left put their crazies in power (right -> gov, left -> education + media), we wouldn't have to have faced the dreadful possibility of Sarah Palin being VP or even President. My feeling/hope is that AOC will just be some extremist with hype that gets left in the dust of sensible people. But then again, we all know how a similar prediction crashed and burned in 2016.

AOC isn't even an extremist.

She's a pretty run-of-the-mill progressive Democrat who, again, has a real gift for social media and is fucking superb at trolling the Trump-right. She hasn't espoused a single position position that is extremist. They're all pretty much part of the progressive or center-left mainstream. But she pisses off... and I mean DEEPLY pisses off... some pretty unbalanced people who want to pretend that this brown skinned woman with the funny name who doesn't take their shit is the next Fidel Castro. That's she's Chavez come to America.

There is AOC the representative for her district and AOC the troll of the Trump-right, and the Trump-right keeps walking into her trolling because they can't stand her and she's excellent at giving them new reasons to hate her.

Wanna know what that makes them?

Her most reliable accomplices.

She is raising her profile by using them as her soapbox.

If you want empirical proof of that, watch how she votes for budget bills on the final passage (not amendments) votes over the next two years. Talk is cheap. In the United States, money is what makes things happen, and how a person votes on spending bills is indicative of where their politics are.

You will find her an utterly conventional Democrat on the topic of actually keeping America running. Or to put it another way, she'll keep playing up the "Fidel Castro in heels" troll of the Trump-right that's so useful to her, and then turn around and vote for the next two year budget deal (the third overall) that Schumer, Pelosi and McConnell are already cooking up to coincide with the next increase in the debt ceiling, that raises defense spending by another $90 billion over two years.

That's how sausage is made. And AOC is already proving an utterly conventional sausage maker. But one very gifted at the modern iteration of politics, which is very heavy into all things social.

[downnola]

Huh. Is her youth really that influential on your bias?

I'm contrasting AOC's idealism with Palin's nutjobbery. The comparison might stick when AOC starts rattling off incoherent shit at rallies and making up facts as she goes.

She may one day, who knows, I just think the comparison is unfair.

[downnola]

National treasure/hero for Romania. Like Alex Jones for the US

Alex Jones is the brown stain on the American Mattress. Fred Rogers is America's national treasure, not that pile of cynical garbage.

[Kraenen]

Most of her policies are perfectly normal.

The questionable ones are things like welfare for people unwilling to work, but I'm not even sure if that's an actual policy she has or just something that was a mistake.

In terms of being relatively out there in American politics, it's pretty easy to find extreme policies:

Ocasio-Cortez proposed introducing a marginal tax as high as 70% on income above $10 million to pay for the Green New Deal. According to tax experts contacted by The Washington Post, this tax would bring in extra revenue of $720 billion per decade.

Ocasio-Cortez has expressed support for defunding and abolishing the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency on multiple occasions. That June, she said she would "stop short of fully disbanding the agency", and would rather "create a pathway to citizenship for more immigrants through decriminalization". She later clarified that this does not mean ceasing all deportations. She was the only Democrat to vote against H.R. 648, a bill to fund and reopen the government, because it funded ICE.

Pretty outside the normal window of politics. Voting against opening the government because it funds ICE is quite reckless and, extremist.

Ocasio-Cortez supports transitioning to a single-payer healthcare system, recognizing medical care as a human right.

This, I agree with the policy, but it's easily extreme in the view of American politics.

She has also made a point of recognizing transgender rights specifically, saying, "It's a no-brainer ... trans rights are civil rights are human rights

Agree with her on this as well. But really I should mention even some of her feminist base finds this extreme and mysogynist, not to mention the right would find it extreme.

Ocasio-Cortez campaigned in favor of establishing tuition-free public colleges and trade schools. She has said she is still paying off student loans herself and wants to cancel all student debt.

The defense of her seems more like a knee-jerk attack against Republican hatred for her. Which, I guess is understandable, it just comes off a bit odd.

Like I said elsewhere, she's probably not worth much concern. Just a sensationalizer (that the right-wing media seems to have played into). I just don't buy that she's a normal sensible pragmatic person.

[Monster Hunter]

Hahaha one of the first lines "We Don't have all the answers" What say what HAHA great start. "So we will treat people like adults and BE HONEST about the tough choices" basically we don't have money, but if you like to help us out and create solutions.

I don't know U.K politics and I have no idea who this guy is, but so far I like it.

there a break away faction of pro-europe MP's that left the labor and conservative party over the last few weeks due to not liking labors mover to the radical left, the anti-sematism scandal and corbyn's anti-Europe stances in the past. and left the conservatives because of the nationalistic elements rising, the hard Brexit and Teresa Mays weak leadership and effectively filibustering Brexit to get her way.

they have a simple message, they are independent, of party and ideology, they will be pragmatic. and tbh thats what i want, i dont want lefty's or righty's, i don't want socialists, communists, capitalists, i dont want a snake oil sales man that promises me his silver bullet ism will fix all problem's, i want a guy that says plain and simple, problems are complicated i will take a pragmatic approach to solving them looking at the answers both the left and right have and picking whats best for that specific issue.

and hell i disagree with Chuka on a bunch of stuff, but i fully respect and endorse and support a leader who's open to all options, willing to make compromises for the sake of pushing the nation forward. and is plain and straight forward that there is no magic bullet to make all our problems go away, this stuff take a lot of thought and often well intentioned stuff does fuck up. thats a guy i can back.

[Gestopft]

I was a life long democrat as well, voted for Obama twice and Kerry before that. The democrats IMO are worse and as a white male I just don't see why I would vote for a party that thinks I'm the enemy lol.

I think you're confusing college Tumblr blogs with actual Democratic politicians.

[Wyrt]

In terms of being relatively out there in American politics, it's pretty easy to find extreme policies:




Pretty outside the normal window of politics. Voting against opening the government because it funds ICE is quite reckless and, extremist.


This, I agree with the policy, but it's easily extreme in the view of American politics.


Agree with her on this as well. But really I should mention even some of her feminist base finds this extreme and mysogynist, not to mention the right would find it extreme.



The defense of her seems more like a knee-jerk attack against Republican hatred for her. Which, I guess is understandable, it just comes off a bit odd.

Like I said elsewhere, she's probably not worth much concern. Just a sensationalizer (that the right-wing media seems to have played into). I just don't buy that she's a normal sensible pragmatic person.

Yeah, none of those are extreme.

[tankbug]

The exact opposite in fact. Liberals should be the exact types to stand against SJW-types.

That doesn't make sense at all. "SJW" is just a mock label that conservatives (and worse) use to describe people with liberal social values.
Did you mean libertarian?

[Stardrift]

Good please stay away in my opinion, I don't value fence sitters honestly. Anybody in need of that much special attention is someone who can vote for Trump.

"YOU'RE EITHER RED OR BLUE"

Man get the fuck off your high horse lmao

That shit is absolutely ridiculous and what has been killing politics.

[JohnBrown1917]

there a break away faction of pro-europe MP's that left the labor and conservative party over the last few weeks due to not liking labors mover to the radical left, the anti-sematism scandal and corbyn's anti-Europe stances in the past. and left the conservatives because of the nationalistic elements rising, the hard Brexit and Teresa Mays weak leadership and effectively filibustering Brexit to get her way.

they have a simple message, they are independent, of party and ideology, they will be pragmatic. and tbh thats what i want, i dont want lefty's or righty's, i don't want socialists, communists, capitalists, i dont want a snake oil sales man that promises me his silver bullet ism will fix all problem's, i want a guy that says plain and simple, problems are complicated i will take a pragmatic approach to solving them looking at the answers both the left and right have and picking whats best for that specific issue.

A made-up scandal by shitty British rags*

[Doctor Amadeus]

there a break away faction of pro-europe MP's that left the labor and conservative party over the last few weeks due to not liking labors mover to the radical left, the anti-sematism scandal and corbyn's anti-Europe stances in the past. and left the conservatives because of the nationalistic elements rising, the hard Brexit and Teresa Mays weak leadership and effectively filibustering Brexit to get her way.

they have a simple message, they are independent, of party and ideology, they will be pragmatic. and tbh thats what i want, i dont want lefty's or righty's, i don't want socialists, communists, capitalists, i dont want a snake oil sales man that promises me his silver bullet ism will fix all problem's, i want a guy that says plain and simple, problems are complicated i will take a pragmatic approach to solving them looking at the answers both the left and right have and picking whats best for that specific issue.

Well honestly sounds very interesting. I’m going to try to follow this as much as can.