12yo Rapper Facing Felony Charges for Selling CDs

[noladrew]

Apparently they knocked you upside the head a bit too hard if you're advocating for a child to be made a felon. Kid was a mild nuisance at best.

If you took the time to read my original post on this thread, you would understand that I actually agree that the felony obstruction charge should probably be a misdemeanor instead. I don't advocate the child being convicted as a felon in this situation, especially with it being a victim-less crime. That being said though, the kid should still face the consequences he is responsible for. He made that bed, time to let him sleep in it. The fact that you continue to argue with me, while directly insulting me, without even understanding my actual stance on the topic, further proves to me that you're just going to encourage people to do whatever it is they want and not give a fuck about the consequences, because fuck it, right?

[Azadina]

Apparently they knocked you upside the head a bit too hard if you're advocating for a child to be made a felon. Kid was a mild nuisance at best.

"beating ass" of kids is a crime on itself. I bet he didn't follow the law as kid and report the criminals for child abuse. Quite the contrary, now he talks of how positive those acts of crime were, the ones he helped to hide from law enforcement.

[Yuujin]

Oh, I certainly got my ass beat for many things, but that's what taught me to understand that negative consequences weren't worth getting my ass beat anymore. I didn't break laws, like run from cops/security, or trespassing. I guess my childhood was considerably different growing up in the country, but what's the point in willfully breaking the law, at any age? I'm not saying I'm perfect, especially in my adult life, but I also don't make excuses for my fuck ups, much less blame other people for them. Had this kid just accepted that he was fucking up and either left or kept his mouth shut afterwards, this would all be a non issue. The fact that he started blasting social media about being picked on because he's a 12 year old black kid rather than accepting that he got in trouble because he broke the law. Being black has ZERO bearing on the situation. Breaking the fucking law is the significance of the situation.

You don't have the same capacity to understand consequences. That's why you could make decisions knowing full well what the consequences might be, say coming home late after staying out with your friends knowing you might get your ass kicked or deciding to climb much further up a tree, where the fall would most certainly hurt and even possibly kill you, without giving it much thought. That doesn't go away well after you've stopped growing, and for some people (regardless of upbringing) it never goes away. Being taught consequences is good, sure, I'm not going to argue that, but there is still an element of "you are just a kid" and "kids make stupid decisions" that plays into the equation. To ignore it shows a lack of understanding of how a child's brains work, or a willful disregard of it because of an overwhelming desire to punish.

Felony obstruction for trying to tug your arm free from someone X times bigger than you is ridiculous. The person who decided on that charge needs to have their head examined.

And in Vegas, I got stopped by the LVMPD doing nothing wrong a lot more often when I was out with my black/Hispanic friends, then I did when I was out with my white friends. We have got to stop pretending police don't profile.

[Dextroden]

"If a white person does this" doesn't in anyway suggest white people ignore laws in general. It's not even relevant to the statement. I said I would bet every time that they wouldn't get punished. As in, unlikely for that to happen hence why I would bet on it because the odds would be in my favor.

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What do mean why didn't he leave with her? Maybe she didn't want to leave? Then what is he supposed to do? Run off on his own?

No. It means you think they can ignore laws. How else do you think "white people would never get arrested for this"?

[noladrew]

"beating ass" of kids is a crime on itself. I bet he didn't follow the law as kid and report the criminals for child abuse. Quite the contrary, now he talks of how positive those acts of crime were, the ones he helped to hide from law enforcement.

I used to get in trouble in school all the time as a kid. When I was moved to the country with my grandfather and was physically disciplined, not just by getting my ass beat, but by other things like farm work and such, it helped me do a complete 180 in my schooling and in my attitude in general. I started making a 3.5+ GPA and began to play football, which further taught me discipline and respect. I don't advocate for child abuse, but physical discipline is very effective, if administered correctly, which is obviously a VERY fine line. Nice try on the child abuse assumption though.... dipshit

[Dextroden]

You're entire post is incoherent nonsense. The kid couldn't leave without his Aunt. She didn't leave. He's stuck there. Why is it his fault for not leaving?

It's both their faults.

Him being too retarded to listen to THREE requests to leave.

The aunt for not leaving since she's responsible for the child she let tresspass three times like a retarded.

And yours for being a racist enabler.

[Yuujin]

They're a person or authority, like teachers, parents, and principals. Except unlike the former you defy them it's not detention, grounding, or suspension. It's being cuffed while the police come to take you away. Call that me being submissive, but that's how law and order works.

If law and order is giving a person in a position of authority the legal right to man handle a 12 year old boy, then I think you are being submissive.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Do it? No

Do it multiple times after being escorted and being clearly told to stop? Yup.

If I was grabbed by the arm by a man, towed to the door of a building, and told not to come back or the cops would be called, even at the age of 6, I'd know better than to come back. Why? Because I'm not an idiot. Or I understood that if I kept doing this stupid thing I was gonna get in trouble. This guy is either an idiot, or thinks he's above the law.

He didn't. Three times.

Preteens are not known for there reasoning skills what seems crystal clean for some one with a fully developed brain is not the same for a preteen.

[noladrew]

You don't have the same capacity to understand consequences. That's why you could make decisions knowing full well what the consequences might be, say coming home late after staying out with your friends knowing you might get your ass kicked or deciding to climb much further up a tree, where the fall would most certainly hurt and even possibly kill you, without giving it much thought. That doesn't go away well after you've stopped growing, and for some people (regardless of upbringing) it never goes away. Being taught consequences is good, sure, I'm not going to argue that, but there is still an element of "you are just a kid" and "kids make stupid decisions" that plays into the equation. To ignore it shows a lack of understanding of how a child's brains work, or a willful disregard of it because of an overwhelming desire to punish.

Felony obstruction for trying to tug your arm free from someone X times bigger than you is ridiculous. The person who decided on that charge needs to have their head examined.

And in Vegas, I got stopped by the LVMPD doing nothing wrong a lot more often when I was out with my black/Hispanic friends, then I did when I was out with my white friends. We have got to stop pretending police don't profile.

I'm not saying police don't profile. I live in New Orleans now, I see it probably more than people in a lot of other cities. Demographically speaking, I'm a minority here as a white male. Also, I'm not saying the kid should just automatically know right from wrong, but at what point was it hard to understand he was doing after being told he was fucking up multiple times? That is more so blatantly disrespectful and willingly ignorant to the fact that he was in the wrong.

[Azadina]

I used to get in trouble in school all the time as a kid. When I was moved to the country with my grandfather and was physically disciplined, not just by getting my ass beat, but by other things like farm work and such, it helped me do a complete 180 in my schooling and in my attitude in general. I started making a 3.5+ GPA and began to play football, which further taught me discipline and respect. I don't advocate for child abuse, but physical discipline is very effective, if administered correctly, which is obviously a VERY fine line. Nice try on the child abuse assumption though.... dipshit

Very effective and not legal. Raised by criminal and defends said criminals criminal acts. Yet here you are trying to advocate some sort of zero tolerance policy for other kids. Funny how you failed to practice what you preach.

[noladrew]

Very effective and not legal. Raised by criminal and defends said criminals criminal acts. Yet here you are trying to advocate some sort of zero tolerance policy for other kids.

You're actually an idiot. I'm just going to save myself time and mental effort and block you. Have a good night.

[Axxil]

His auntie was a right cunt in the video.

[Yuujin]

On second thought, you don't need this.

[PACOX]

You really don't know how juvenile courts work, do you? He's not going to be a felon, or anything like that, so stop being an alarmist. After he turns 18 even the cops won't be able to look at his records and learn he did this without getting a judge to ok it.

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What is he supposed to do? Stay with his guardian and do as she tells him. Like children are supposed to.

1. There's no guarantee that his charges will be expunged. Even if they were people can and will use his charges against should the ever find out about them.

2. Talking a year of this kids life away for being a mild nuisance is a going with the laziest route. It's speaks of nothing but authoritian 'pick up the can' bullshit.

This kid obviously has a bit of drive in him. Enough that he is spending his free time to make must and promote his own business. He is going about in a not so legal way because instead of someone guiding him he is being placed in handcuffs. Why not redirect that energy, especially why he is young, into something positive instead of focusing on the negative? Tell kid he can't sell there but perhaps teach him about some alternatives. See if one of the vendors in the mall are willing to work with him.

Nah, I'm trippin, lets just teach him to juvie where he'll learn how to sell drugs instead.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Look. Most kids learn by the time they're 6-8 that if an adult in authority tells them not to do something, they don't do it. They learn that if they do these things anyway there will be consequences. Except this wasn't a parent, teacher, or babysitter. This was a man with a badge and a gun. Who physically removed him from a place and told him not to return or the police would be called. And he snuck back in. Twice. Either this kid is a REAL slow learner or he's already been raised to believe the rules don't apply to him. Judging from the way his aunt acted, it's looking like the latter. People who believe the law doesn't apply to them often become real criminals. Hopefully a scary trial and maybe some juvie will scare him straight.

Got any thing to back up that 6-8 number because the mass amount of teens who have problem with authority figures don’t seem to agree with it.

[Dextroden]

Preteens are not known for there reasoning skills what seems crystal clean for some one with a fully developed brain is not the same for a preteen.

Okay. As long as you are committing to "He and his family that recorded him are too stupid to follow laws".

[Axxil]

"beating ass" of kids is a crime on itself. I bet he didn't follow the law as kid and report the criminals for child abuse. Quite the contrary, now he talks of how positive those acts of crime were, the ones he helped to hide from law enforcement.

Physical discipline isn't a crime at all.

[Yuujin]

I'm not saying police don't profile. I live in New Orleans now, I see it probably more than people in a lot of other cities. Demographically speaking, I'm a minority here as a white male. Also, I'm not saying the kid should just automatically know right from wrong, but at what point was it hard to understand he was doing after being told he was fucking up multiple times? That is more so blatantly disrespectful and willingly ignorant to the fact that he was in the wrong.

Kids should have an understanding of right and wrong, but dialing the treatment and punishment for them behaving like kids up to 11 isn't going to fix them, it's going to cause resentments toward the system.

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Physical discipline isn't a crime at all.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Okay. As long as you are committing to "He and his family that recorded him are too stupid to follow laws".

Did the point just go right over your head or are you being willfully ignorant?

[noladrew]

Kids should have an understanding of right and wrong, but dialing the treatment and punishment for them behaving like kids up to 11 isn't going to fix them, it's going to cause resentment toward the system.

Ignorance causes resentment towards any system or figure. None of this changes the fact that the kid wasn't taught right from wrong, now he's the one suffering from it. This context can be applied to many other situations, admittedly more so than this situation, where people play the victim role while being the cause of the problem, in far worse situations. Why should society suffer for willful disobedience or disrespect of others?


Removing this comment from the current topic at hand to make a side point here, but people causing the problem(s) should be the ones to suffer consequences, not the actual victims. Where is the line drawn? When is it appropriate to actually administer consequences beyond verbal warnings? Hypothetically if never taught appropriately, whether by parents/guardians or by "the system", is it reasonable to think someone will just become an upstanding citizen on their own some day?