Indian air strikes target militants in Pakistan

[Puupi]

Both sides have been shelling each other with artillery today. 8 dead confirmed thus far.

[ABEEnr2]

Both sides have been shelling each other with artillery today. 8 dead confirmed thus far.

i guess india really want the war to keep going.

[tumppu]

Mankind can learn from that; what happened to gas (and chemical) warfare is an indication of that.

Treaties were signed for all of NBC weapons. As of now, they're actively being exited from and at least chemical weapons have been used as recently as syria or iraq. Also, the number of worlds nuclear countries has increased, so no, we have NOT learned a damn thing.

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Well as US would say, might makes it right. Unfortunately India lacks might So Pakistan managed to shame India.

You are trying to act like pakistan showed india off in this? Who's troll are you anyway? Chinas?

Neither won anything and the more they try to escalate, the less they stand to gain and more to lose. Basically they're just re-warming the kashmir conflict which in itself is retarded and based on nothing but old bullshit (as are most grudges). If they want to go to war over it AGAIN, I say let them. Have a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand casualties over a blot of land nobody else cares about and after that have debates over who won. I can tell you now who does. Mass-media and weapon manufacturers.

[Thekri]

Treaties were signed for all of NBC weapons. As of now, they're actively being exited from and at least chemical weapons have been used as recently as syria or iraq. Also, the number of worlds nuclear countries has increased, so no, we have NOT learned a damn thing.

Pakistan also has the rather terrifying policy of delegating nuclear authority to tactical military commanders, being the only country in the word to do so. The intent is to prevent India from resoundingly defeating a element of the Pakistani military, for fear of Nuclear retaliation. It also makes it much harder to pull off a decapitation strike. As for the downsides... well it is a country with one of the densest and most powerful concentrations of Jihadist organizations in the world, many of whom have very close relationships with the Military. It also has a military culture that regularly usurps government authority, and overthrows the government fairly frequently. Essentially the military controls the nukes because the military doesn't trust the government with them.

This means every confrontation is extremely dangerous, and it was designed to be so. Pakistan knows it can't defend Kashmir with a conventional military. This cross-border firing is very concerning, but might not lead to further escalation. We have seen both governments are anxious to prevent it now, so they just have to get their militaries under control (Easier said then done in this case)

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Both sides have nukes and both sides have huge land base armies so i wonder how this will play out?

No one in their right mind is going to escalate to nuclear strikes. To do so would immediately provoke intervention from every other superpower on the planet, alienating your allies, losing standing on the world stage, tying India's and Pakistan's hands with sanctions and invasions of airspace for starters, and that's all for starters.

Should be interesting should it escalate.

"Interesting" is the word that would be farthest from my mind if this actually happened. "Terrifying" would be more appropriate, as it would entangle the world in a mess not seen since the mid 20th century.

This might seem ridiculous and mad, but bear with me:

This thing evolving into a nuclear war could be the precious event that can save humanity in the long run. If there ever will be a nuclear war, this would be the perfect place to have it; two small power countries right next to each other "in the middle of nowhere" and unlikely to escalate into a world war. This is probably the only place in the world where a nuclear war is a possibility, but doesn't involve bombing the whole planet into a radioactive hellhole.

So it would be a great opportunity for the mankind to learn the true horrors of a nuclear war. The war would be devastatingly horrible, and that lesson could de-facto lead to a real global nuclear disarmament and prohibit us destroying the whole planet and mankind at some point.

No one should ever be killed solely to make a point.

Both sides have been shelling each other with artillery today. 8 dead confirmed thus far.

[yetgdhfgh]

No one in their right mind is going to escalate to nuclear strikes. To do so would immediately provoke intervention from every other superpower on the planet, alienating your allies, losing standing on the world stage, tying India's and Pakistan's hands with sanctions and invasions of airspace for starters, and that's all for starters.

Like i said this shit has settled down cause both sides can claim victory and it will now simmer like it has simmered since we Brits left in 1947!

[caervek]

Dunno how many people have been following this, but India claimed that before being shot down itself their MiG-21 had fired a missile which then downed one of Pakistan's F-16s. Pakistan are denying this (hell they are denying even having F-16s in the area due to that being against their trade deal with the USA) however India have now shown off some of the wreckage from the downed Pakistani jet including a US made AIM-120 AMRAAM missile (The F-16 is the only jet Pakistan have that carries that missile).

Will be interesting to see how the US government reacts to this.

[Thekri]

Dunno how many people have been following this, but India claimed that before being shot down itself their MiG-21 had fired a missile which then downed one of Pakistan's F-16s. Pakistan are denying this (hell they are denying even having F-16s in the area due to that being against their trade deal with the USA) however India have now shown off some of the wreckage from the downed Pakistani jet including a US made AIM-120 AMRAAM missile (The F-16 is the only jet Pakistan have that carries that missile).

Will be interesting to see how the US government reacts to this.

Well, to be fair, Pakistan would have to be absolutely insane not to have used them. You don't invest that much in military hardware, and then ban it from being used in the only conflict where they would ever be needed. F-16 vs. MiG-21 is a serious outmatch, and Pakistan considers Kashmir to be theirs. They can make a serious argument that the engagement was defensive in nature, and there aren't likely to be repercussions either way. Pakistan relies on China for their new military hardware now anyway, so the US getting mad about it wouldn't really bother them.

There is also the possibility that JF-17s have been refitted to allow use of the AIM-120. This would also be violating a lot of trade agreements, but there is plenty of evidence that the JF-17 was built to use F-16 components anyway, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

[Ihavewaffles]

Both sides have been shelling each other with artillery today. 8 dead confirmed thus far.

They have been shelling each other for decades. Old news.