Wait...shouldn't forsaken and night elves be the most powerful races in factions?

[Beloren]

It was something Nathanos says during the WQs, "Call in the Valky'r, this one would make a powerful ally" - If the forsaken can raise the most powerful slain enemies as allies, and seemingly can keep raising the dead which face it far outnumber the living - how are they not the most powerful race in the game?

Similarly, the night elves - when you think of the power of both the Well of Eternity and the Emerald Dream they can harness, not to mention Elune the goddess on their side with this imba night warrior ritual and Illidari - given the scale of their accomplishments, expertise and capabilities...

Going by the lore, how are these two groups not the most powerful races in the horde or alliance? They easily have the potential to be their own faction.. yet both are currently around the weakest - Sylvanas is having a numbers issue (apparently that makes no sense) and night elves are constantly and easily slaughtered.

I don't get it....They seemed potentially to be powerful enough to be their own factions too. What exactly happened? You would have thought these were the 2 power houses with both the alliance and the horde caught between them and showing thier strength by being able to hold out against them.

[Super Dickmann]

They both lack a certain quality key to any sort of power. I won't tell you what it is, but I'll tell you that Keeshan has a lot of it.

[Danuel]

Belfs and humis should be more powerful races because most player play them!

[Syegfryed]

no? nothing implies that, the night elves were powerful enough in war3 to be their own faction, not now.

the forsakens alone could not too, thats why they ask for horde help.

[Toppy]

It was something Nathanos says during the WQs, "Call in the Valky'r, this one would make a powerful ally" - If the forsaken can raise the most powerful slain enemies as allies, and seemingly can keep raising the dead which face it far outnumber the living - how are they not the most powerful race in the game?

Similarly, the night elves - when you think of the power of both the Well of Eternity and the Emerald Dream they can harness, not to mention Elune the goddess on their side with this imba night warrior ritual and Illidari - given the scale of their accomplishments, expertise and capabilities...

Going by the lore, how are these two groups not the most powerful races in the horde or alliance? They easily have the potential to be their own faction.. yet both are currently around the weakest - Sylvanas is having a numbers issue (apparently that makes no sense) and night elves are constantly and easily slaughtered.

I don't get it....They seemed potentially to be powerful enough to be their own factions too. What exactly happened? You would have thought these were the 2 power houses with both the alliance and the horde caught between them and showing thier strength by being able to hold out against them.

Night Elves are a society stuck in the past. Their armies are notably lesser than all others in everything but guerrilla warfare in forests: Lightly armored, lightly armed (their bows pale in comparison to pretty much every other range option), and lack of effective siege weaponry. No heavy infantry, no heavy calvalry, no real range calvalry as their huntresses seem to be more melee than anything, Gnomes with their machinery are more effective scouts even so they don't have that and unfortunatly blizz didnt do the smart thing and make them sneaky gits instead giving that to mankind.

Illidari are not part of the night elves.

The ONLY thing the Nelves have are two powerful leaders. And while this means much, they as an army? Piss poor. Nor does it help that Tyrande has the mentality of a berserker choosing to just rush headfirst into anything largely unplanned (as has always been the case with her).

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no? nothing implies that, the night elves were powerful enough in war3 to be their own faction, not now.

the forsakens alone could not too, thats why they ask for horde help.

If you pay close attention to WC3 you may notice that Night Elves spend the vast majority of WC3, even the expansion, losing horribly. The only times they ever win is if they're led by Illidan, attacking small outposts with their goddess of war leader, or being backed by another army.

If you want to use WC3 as an example, then the Night Elves show that they simply cannot stand on their own.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

no? nothing implies that, the night elves were powerful enough in war3 to be their own faction, not now.

the forsakens alone could not too, thats why they ask for horde help.

Why do you think they can't be a faction?

[ls-]

They both lack a certain quality key to any sort of power. I won't tell you what it is, but I'll tell you that Keeshan has a lot of it.

Which is weird. Most of the Forsaken were bearers of said quality in life, moreover, Nathanos managed to preserve his :P

[Beloren]

Belfs and humis should be more powerful races because most player play them!

Belves should run the horde and rename it.

Humans lead the Alliance..

Then slowly we dominate and come to an epic war, and the Elves beat the humans.

We overcome the night elves because they are big care bears and all concerned about responsibility etc, we overcome the forsaken because we're just better at magic, and find ways to undo them.

The humans provide our biggest challenge, but we'ere just superior so we win.

Coming from nearly nothing, to dominating the world

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Which is weird. Most of the Forsaken were bearers of said quality in life, moreover, Nathanos managed to preserve his :P

Exactly, they are great heroes of war, raised from the dead and empowered by dark magic, how does htis notmake them an incredibly dangerous and powerful force??

[Super Dickmann]

Which is weird. Most of the Forsaken were bearers of said quality in life, moreover, Nathanos managed to preserve his :P

Nathanos had to go through a special ritual to reclaim his. Only a powerful bloodline can keep it in death without such measures, as Derek shows us.

[ls-]

Nathanos had to go through a special ritual to reclaim his. Only a powerful bloodline can keep it in death without such measures, as Derek shows us.

Ah, yeah, he got his transplanted from his cousin >_>

[Super Dickmann]

Ah, yeah, he got his transplanted from his cousin >_>

That's why the Forsaken must be destroyed. They've found a way to turn this quality against its originators.

[Toppy]

That's why the Forsaken must be destroyed. They've found a way to turn this quality against its originators.

*Gasp*
They've learned how to forge the exalted Plot Armor?

[Sae]

*Gasp*
They've learned how to forge the exalted Plot Armor?

Even worse - they're able to harness the power of Human Potential.

[Synros]

Which is weird. Most of the Forsaken were bearers of said quality in life, moreover, Nathanos managed to preserve his :P

Because Nathanos is a poorly written character that offers absolutely nothing other than being an emo edgelord, and Sylvanas' little bitch.

[Toppy]

Soooo salty it's unreal. Shockingly, humans are the main characters in a game made by humans

Its almost like this is a fantasy setting.

Funfact: Desptie what you've stated, Stormwind has no real culture beyond visuals that expect us to making assumptions. Blizzard has not done world building for the primary human nation, even in chronicles all we got was "They have farms" and then went into hero wank.

[Super Dickmann]

*Gasp*
They've learned how to forge the exalted Plot Armor?

Sylvanas has stolen Mekkatorque's plans for the P.L.O.T. armor.

@Bennett

The writers are humans, well spotted. So are the players. It's almost like in a fantasy game real world human attributes are represented through exaggerated fictional variants. Warcraft humans are less human than literal green aliens from space.

[Verdugo]

Exactly, they are great heroes of war, raised from the dead and empowered by dark magic, how does htis notmake them an incredibly dangerous and powerful force??

Because they were retconed into pitiful sacks of flesh that fall apart when being hugged, thanks to the efforts of certain cunt.

You can see some of them retaining their ressistance to physical trauma, but those are outliers that were not noticed by the main team writing this shit.

[Super Dickmann]

Because they were retconed into pitiful sacks of flesh that fall apart when being hugged, thanks to the efforts of certain cunt.

You can see some of them retaining their ressistance to physical trauma, but those are outliers that were not noticed by the main team writing this shit.

From Sylvanas blatantly calling for people to defend their prized Lordaeron keep, undead refugees talking about how Lordaeron is theirs and how Paxton is split in two and quite chill, I have the feeling a lot of the in-game writers didn't get the memo that the Forsaken lose their hands to clapping and are put in the camps if they mention Lordaeron.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

In literally any fiction, a human is supposed to be balanced, lacking the strength of ones, the wisdom and raw magic power of others, the cunning of other others, but still able to perform decently in all these. Maybe they can make some of the best strategist, tho.
Put old Warhammer Fantasy for example. The Empire sucks balls in Merle against most of the other troops, their engines are arguably better or worse than the Dwarves or the Skaven, their mages are powerful yet can't rival Elves, Slann or similar. But they do win battles through numbers, effective use of strengths and weaknesses and tactics, cooperation and synergy.

WoW humans actually can beat anybody in any terrain they are actually interested in setting foot into. The only thing that is actually keeping the, from beat all other races in all disciplines is the lack of interest in shamanism, Druidism, warlocks (who besides being mostly a villain class have little lore background anyways), arrow fights, and them being banned from the Illidan Fan Club. In fact they only suck at strategy, even for a game where flanking the enemy is considered a master tactic instead of the common stuff.

[Toppy]

From Sylvanas blatantly calling for people to defend their prized Lordaeron keep, undead refugees talking about how Lordaeron is theirs and how Paxton is split in two and quite chill, I have the feeling a lot of the in-game writers didn't get the memo that the Forsaken lose their hands to clapping and are put in the camps if they mention Lordaeron.

That's just Christie Golden, who has a clear bias in favor of Alliance (more specifically mankind, more super specifically anyone with blond hair).

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In literally any fiction, a human is supposed to be balanced, lacking the strength of ones, the wisdom and raw magic power of others, the cunning of other others, but still able to perform decently in all these. Maybe they can make some of the best strategist, tho.
Put old Warhammer Fantasy for example. The Empire sucks balls in Merle against most of the other troops, their engines are arguably better or worse than the Dwarves or the Skaven, their mages are powerful yet can't rival Elves, Slann or similar. But they do win battles through numbers, effective use of strengths and weaknesses and tactics, cooperation and synergy.

WoW humans actually can beat anybody in any terrain they are actually interested in setting foot into. The only thing that is actually keeping the, from beat all other races in all disciplines is the lack of interest in shamanism, Druidism, warlocks (who besides being mostly a villain class have little lore background anyways), arrow fights, and them being banned from the Illidan Fan Club. In fact they only suck at strategy, even for a game where flanking the enemy is considered a master tactic instead of the common stuff.

They only suck at strategy because plot demands their dumb strategies work.

Like how they somehow just made a beeline straight into the Undercity with no resistance till the last push.