Russian air force planes land in Venezuela carrying troops: reports

[Nefastus]

Even if you were right that the population wanted the Brazilian coup, which is a big IF, they certainly didn't want it to last 21 years, as it was made obvious by the constant, growing manifestations against it. And Maduro's regime had the support of the majority of the Venezuelan people, they had many elections in the last decades. This last one was a sham, of course, but at some point it wasn't. So it is the same, or worse for the Brazilian case, which wasn't even remotely close to a democracy.

The opposition in Brazil was killed, tortured and people disappeared. That is well documented. If you can't even recognize it, regardless if you agree with it, then I'll just go back to my stance that you are not worth discussing with. Not sure if you agree, but if the scenario you describe is true and the communists were coming to claim Brazil, then THEY were opposition, and believe it or not, communists are also people. So of course there was an opposition. Saying that there was no opposition because they weren't in Congress is silly.

So I ask again, besides the clear economic failure in Venezuela, which is the most probable reason for the wave of people fleeing the country, how is Maduro different than the Brazilian military dictatorship? You paint Maduro as a monster and praise the Brazilian case, how is that logical? If you argue that Maduro is incompetent and destroyed their economy, and that is the only important reason to dethrone him, that is absolutely fine. But when you base your defense on him killing people, that is no different than what the Brazilian military did.

Oh, I agree shouldnt last that long, it was far from the intended. For sure there were protests but a lot of them were coordenated by politic parties that wanted to make sure no one would control them to make easier to get money from corruption, reason why ALL governments post military government were envolved in corruption scandals and the biggest one was the one with PT where by irony or destiny most of the people that claimed to be exiled by the military ended up at.

Okay, now about the torture and killing that some speak so much Total is around 400, pretty much all envolved in terrorism activities (I think just in the last 2 years more were already killed in pacific protests against the government). Not diferent of how the west deals with terrorists as well, even in the current century. Those socialist terrorist groups executed people in cold blood at any time of the day, kidnapped people and tortured at will as well. They were not inocent at all. You should see some stories of what they did, they rivalized ISIS in sadism. One of the great heroes of those socialists captured a man, cut his balls and made him eat them before killing. This is the kind of people the military at our government killed. Saying those people are oposition is like saying ISIS members in Europe executing attacks are oposition as well.


BTW I found a small list of people the terrorists killed, the terrorists you claim where tortured and killed. Unlike the people of Venezuela these people in Brazil murdered people left and right in the most sadistic ways.

https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reina...ia-de-lamarca/

Its in portuguese, if I had more time I would translate some of the stuff but I tell you, its awful. They are far from being diferent from the people executing terror attacks in Europe and USA. If you want me to translate some of these I can do it tomorrow.

So yes, the people that Maduro is killing is VASTLY diferent than the ones our military in Brazil killed during the military government. Again its like comparing common citizens protesting in USA to ISIS terrorists murdering in the middle of Europe.

So yeah, in case you still think those terrorists are the same as inocent people protesting at Venezuela then this conversation is over. I have no time to argue with socialist fanatics really as I dont with crazy people defending ISIS or Al Quaeda objetives and opinions.

[Shalcker]

Russia solution involves keeping Maduro as the dictator. That is not aceptable by pretty much everyone in Venezuela and in the world.

Army still seems to support him (and obviously Russian help will reassure them as well), poor people also seem to be somewhat in favour.

I'm not seeing "pretty much everyone" in neither Venezuela nor "the world" - outside of usual US supporters.

About half of neighbours seem to still support Maduro as well.

Even if the economic situation got better the lives lost and the crimes commited against the population cannot be erased. Syria is still a shit hole with a dictator that does whatever he wants with his people, not sure how we could call it as working out. Still its middle east maybe it could be good enough for that people, that I do not know.

So, you want guarantees that Maduro will no longer "do whatever he wants with his people"? That can be arranged as long as you're specific enough while still keeping him in power.

What exactly do you want him to be prevented from doing?

[LMuhlen]

A quick google search mentions over 20,000 Brazilians tortured by the military.

Also 50,000 people were arrested in the first 2 months.

I'm sure they were all terrorists.

Now, I don't want to reduce your point of view to something simplistic, but it seems to me that everything related to left parties is essentially bad, while the opposition to left parties is glorified. You dismiss the protests in Brazil against the military dictatorship as being organized by political parties, but weren't the protests in Venezuela organized by Guaidó? The more I think about this, the more it seems that the situation now in Venezuela and the recent history of Brazil are very similar, and the most important difference is the perspective of others. While the US supported the Brazilian shitshow, they despise the socialist dictator. I wonder if it is only a matter of 'different times', or if it is really so clearly biased.

[Shalcker]

So yes, the people that Maduro is killing is VASTLY diferent than the ones our military in Brazil killed during the military government. Again its like comparing common citizens protesting in USA to ISIS terrorists murdering in the middle of Europe.

Like "common citizens protesting" in Venezuela by setting Chavistas alight?

[LMuhlen]

Like "common citizens protesting" in Venezuela by setting Chavistas alight?

Don't you start mixing freedom fighters with terrorists, they are very different!!!

[lummiuster]

Yes, chavez and maduro are heroes for standing against USA for their own selfish reasons and their agenda of the bolivarian revolution. Venezuela always had problems sure, misery was not diferent from what have in countries like Brazil but things took a deep dive after Chavez got in power and got even worse with Maduro. Its amazing how people like you want to minimize whats happening in there. Sorry pal, there is no defense for a government thats killing, raping and robbing people that dares to protest against the disaster it is happening in there. Its all fun and games until people starve to death, die to simple diseases and are brutalized by their government. Anyways its easy to defend a dictator from the confort of your home in a better place. Sugest going there before defending him, try to stay there for a weekend living like an average venezuelan.

I dont care about how many interventions USA did in the last years, in the countries around Venezuela we are fully aware of whats happening in there. We all want Maduro out and wouldnt be diferent if USA like it or not. It is affecting us directly, both due to the fact that human beings simpatize with others being brutalized and due to the fact our border cities are chaos now due to the massive influx of people fleeing from Venezuela terror. There is no fundation in defending a brutal dictator no matter how hard you try.

EDIT: Just read your post above, laughable you are trying to reduce the claims of the population in Brazil pre military government to CIA actions. You behave like some edgy teenagers we got in Brazil's high schools, that fall in love with socialism because his cool teacher preeches about it. Everything is to be blaimed at CIA, the USA imperialism and so forth. Everyone and everything is a puppet for the evil USA empire. Sorry dont have time for that, let me know once you have something to dicuss besides tinfoil conspirations. Got tired of these silly conspiration theories 20 years ago (yes, I also had these kind of teachers in my school decades ago and had classmates that would fall for that easy talk, this is not new to me).

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My point of view is being against an ilegitimate government that brutalizes its population, giving them the only option of starving to death or moving to nearby countries to beg on the streets. If you dont like it thats your problem. There were plenty explanations in here about whats happening in there but still we got people in here denying it. Its mindnumbing.

Killing, raping, robbing people? Ok i'll stop arguing with you, the propaganda is just rooted to deep in your tiny Brazilian brain. Lol you should stop reading Brazilian news man. Maduro hasn't killed anyone... So glad we got your trash country to work under us. Keep tending my friend.

[Nefastus]

Killing, raping, robbing people? Ok i'll stop arguing with you, the propaganda is just rooted to deep in your tiny Brazilian brain. Lol you should stop reading Brazilian news man. Maduro hasn't killed anyone... So glad we got your trash country to work under us. Keep tending my friend.

Yeah, you should stick to sarcasm, you have no fucking clue about whats happening in Venezuela and knows even less about what happened in Brazil. I presented you facts with several murders commited by terrorists in Brazil in the 60s and you respond with insults. There is a freaking list in the link I gave you with some of the stuff they did. Even them you decide to say all that is a lie (probably didnt even check the news in the link) because you know better. Pathetic. This is what I get for trying to have a discussion with a brain washed high school student. Not wasting my time again, farewell.

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Like "common citizens protesting" in Venezuela by setting Chavistas alight?

One case commited by criminals vs all the killing doing by government troops? The overwhelming majority of protests come from pacific people, middle class workers. Want me to link all the news about the number of deaths at protests this far? Some of the cases of raping? Of people dissapearing? Politic prisioners?

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Army still seems to support him (and obviously Russian help will reassure them as well), poor people also seem to be somewhat in favour.

I'm not seeing "pretty much everyone" in neither Venezuela nor "the world" - outside of usual US supporters.

About half of neighbours seem to still support Maduro as well.

So, you want guarantees that Maduro will no longer "do whatever he wants with his people"? That can be arranged as long as you're specific enough while still keeping him in power.

What exactly do you want him to be prevented from doing?

Who are half of the nearby countries supporting Maduro? You mean Cuba and Mexico? Thats not half, do you know how many countries we have here?
So if USA is against crimes against humankind in a country if more people is against means they are USA supporters? This make no sense and you know that.

Army still suports him because he got hid of anyone thats not fanatically loyal to him plus they are paid in dollars. Poor people are not in favor of him, there are still people yes but thats hardly the majority. If that was the case we wouldnt see all this people fleeing Venezuela. Do you think people flee in mass from their own country because things are fine?

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A quick google search mentions over 20,000 Brazilians tortured by the military.

Also 50,000 people were arrested in the first 2 months.

I'm sure they were all terrorists.

Now, I don't want to reduce your point of view to something simplistic, but it seems to me that everything related to left parties is essentially bad, while the opposition to left parties is glorified. You dismiss the protests in Brazil against the military dictatorship as being organized by political parties, but weren't the protests in Venezuela organized by Guaidó? The more I think about this, the more it seems that the situation now in Venezuela and the recent history of Brazil are very similar, and the most important difference is the perspective of others. While the US supported the Brazilian shitshow, they despise the socialist dictator. I wonder if it is only a matter of 'different times', or if it is really so clearly biased.

Do you realize that we got around 30 years of left governments in Brazil post military regime? Do you realize that if you claim that you were tortured of harmed in any way by the military you are owned a big sum of money per month for the rest of your life? Of course thats not related in any way right. Everyone and their mother tried to get this money from government because there was basically no need to prove anything to actually get these benefits. Funny fact, a lof of these people that claimed to be tortured and are getting paid monthly by the government are part of the worker's party (PT) that robbed our country for 13 years. A lot of these people getting this money were actually persecuted and condened in the recent years for the biggest corruption scandal in the history of our country and one of the biggest in the world. There are some recent news about it as well: https://istoe.com.br/a-farra-das-indenizacoes/ (translates to something as the compensation fest).

Now back to the diferences between Venezuela and Brazil:

In Venezuela people are protesting in pacific ways for democracy.

In Brazil we had people going to another countries (Cuba mostly and Soviet Union) to be trained in guerrila tatics and terror tatics to come back and implent a COMUNIST dictatorship.

The situation in Brazil remembers you of something? Yeah, people from Europe going to train with Al Quaeda in Afeghanistan and with ISIS in Syria to come back to their origin countries and spread terror. The diference is absurd. Soon you will start saying people that commited the charlie hebdo attack or the massacre in Nice were also the same thing as protesting in Venezuela.

I posted yesterday a list of some of the cold blood murders those terrorists did in our country. In case you want I can translate some in here but I think google translator might the job too. Their brutality rivaled ISIS in the recent story.

https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reina...ia-de-lamarca/

So again, doing pacific protests to get democracy back is vastly diferent from going to another countries to train with terrorist groups and come back to your home country to pratice terror attacks. Should be obvious really.


EDIT: Leaked document from UN with 45 pages calculates that 7 million venezuelans, or 1 of 4 people in the country, need urgent humanitarian help. Acording to the researcher César Munos from Human Rights Watch "its an unberable situation that is only comparable to countries at war".

https://www.oantagonista.com/mundo/d...taria-urgente/

[lummiuster]

Yeah, you should stick to sarcasm, you have no fucking clue about whats happening in Venezuela and knows even less about what happened in Brazil. I presented you facts with several murders commited by terrorists in Brazil in the 60s and you respond with insults. There is a freaking list in the link I gave you with some of the stuff they did. Even them you decide to say all that is a lie (probably didnt even check the news in the link) because you know better. Pathetic. This is what I get for trying to have a discussion with a brain washed high school student. Not wasting my time again, farewell.

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One case commited by criminals vs all the killing doing by government troops? The overwhelming majority of protests come from pacific people, middle class workers. Want me to link all the news about the number of deaths at protests this far? Some of the cases of raping? Of people dissapearing? Politic prisioners?

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Who are half of the nearby countries supporting Maduro? You mean Cuba and Mexico? Thats not half, do you know how many countries we have here?
So if USA is against crimes against humankind in a country if more people is against means they are USA supporters? This make no sense and you know that.

Army still suports him because he got hid of anyone thats not fanatically loyal to him plus they are paid in dollars. Poor people are not in favor of him, there are still people yes but thats hardly the majority. If that was the case we wouldnt see all this people fleeing Venezuela. Do you think people flee in mass from their own country because things are fine?

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Do you realize that we got around 30 years of left governments in Brazil post military regime? Do you realize that if you claim that you were tortured of harmed in any way by the military you are owned a big sum of money per month for the rest of your life? Of course thats not related in any way right. Everyone and their mother tried to get this money from government because there was basically no need to prove anything to actually get these benefits. Funny fact, a lof of these people that claimed to be tortured and are getting paid monthly by the government are part of the worker's party (PT) that robbed our country for 13 years. A lot of these people getting this money were actually persecuted and condened in the recent years for the biggest corruption scandal in the history of our country and one of the biggest in the world. There are some recent news about it as well: https://istoe.com.br/a-farra-das-indenizacoes/ (translates to something as the compensation fest).

Now back to the diferences between Venezuela and Brazil:

In Venezuela people are protesting in pacific ways for democracy.

In Brazil we had people going to another countries (Cuba mostly and Soviet Union) to be trained in guerrila tatics and terror tatics to come back and implent a COMUNIST dictatorship.

The situation in Brazil remembers you of something? Yeah, people from Europe going to train with Al Quaeda in Afeghanistan and with ISIS in Syria to come back to their origin countries and spread terror. The diference is absurd. Soon you will start saying people that commited the charlie hebdo attack or the massacre in Nice were also the same thing as protesting in Venezuela.

I posted yesterday a list of some of the cold blood murders those terrorists did in our country. In case you want I can translate some in here but I think google translator might the job too. Their brutality rivaled ISIS in the recent story.

https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reina...ia-de-lamarca/

So again, doing pacific protests to get democracy back is vastly diferent from going to another countries to train with terrorist groups and come back to your home country to pratice terror attacks. Should be obvious really.


EDIT: Leaked document from UN with 45 pages calculates that 7 million venezuelans, or 1 of 4 people in the country, need urgent humanitarian help. Acording to the researcher César Munos from Human Rights Watch "its an unberable situation that is only comparable to countries at war".

https://www.oantagonista.com/mundo/d...taria-urgente/

Maduro has not killed anyone. Maduro has been elected democratically. Washington manufactured a coup in Venezuela to break their economy and force a change of regime. The new "fake president" already told Washington he would let american companies have a hold of their resources.

I invite you to do something I believe you'll find interesting. If you have a facebook, go to the page of Maduro, and watch some of his videos (some of them are translated or I'm sure you can understand some Spanish). Hear what he has to say, how he talks, his voice, you can easily notice that this guy loves his people and his country. I know it doesn't mean anything but like they say in the bible, you are not allowed to say that someone is guilty without having heard what he has to say.

[Nefastus]

Maduro has not killed anyone. Maduro has been elected democratically. Washington manufactured a coup in Venezuela to break their economy and force a change of regime. The new "fake president" already told Washington he would let american companies have a hold of their resources.

I invite you to do something I believe you'll find interesting. If you have a facebook, go to the page of Maduro, and watch some of his videos (some of them are translated or I'm sure you can understand some Spanish). Hear what he has to say, how he talks, his voice, you can easily notice that this guy loves his people and his country. I know it doesn't mean anything but like they say in the bible, you are not allowed to say that someone is guilty without having heard what he has to say.

Maduro didnt kill anyone in the same way Hittler didn't kill anyone personally. People got killed by their orders. You must be joking if you think every single news about deaths caused by Maduro troops and his militia are fabricated. If he loved his people he wouldn't allow the situation got this far. He loves power, in the same way all dictators do. He frauded the elections and situation in Venezuela is dire for over a decade. Him and Chavez broke the country, not some foreign nation.

His actions speak louder than his words. He is killing the venezuelans, be it by guns, starvation or lack of medicine (among more things).

[Adam Jensen]

Oh boy! Iraq 2.0!

Can't wait for them to somehow convince us that going in and arming death squads in ANOTHER South American country is the "humanitarian" thing to do.

But hey at least we have sane National Security Advisor who isn't a psycho war-hawk at least we have a calm and collect President who'll stop any insanity from going too far.

Right?

[lummiuster]

Maduro didnt kill anyone in the same way Hittler didn't kill anyone personally. People got killed by their orders. You must be joking if you think every single news about deaths caused by Maduro troops and his militia are fabricated. If he loved his people he wouldn't allow the situation got this far. He loves power, in the same way all dictators do. He frauded the elections and situation in Venezuela is dire for over a decade. Him and Chavez broke the country, not some foreign nation.

His actions speak louder than his words. He is killing the venezuelans, be it by guns, starvation or lack of medicine (among more things).

Where the hell are you getting your information? Even on super propaganda media like Fox news/CNN they haven't said that Maduro killed people.
On top of it, he did exactly the opposite. When Guaido went to Caracas, he said that he would not fall in their plan by arresting him. Instead, he sent the police to assure his security from the angry citizens who tried to hurt him.
He did not fraud the elections, he won them democratically. The opposition claims otherwise because they are the opposition (just like how the democrats kept trying to impeach Trump).

[Nefastus]

Where the hell are you getting your information? Even on super propaganda media like Fox news/CNN they haven't said that Maduro killed people.
On top of it, he did exactly the opposite. When Guaido went to Caracas, he said that he would not fall in their plan by arresting him. Instead, he sent the police to assure his security from the angry citizens who tried to hurt him.
He did not fraud the elections, he won them democratically. The opposition claims otherwise because they are the opposition (just like how the democrats kept trying to impeach Trump).

Where I am getting my information? Its ALL over the news for years now and I am not talking only about USA media. Every pacific protest on the streets end up with Maduro forces, both regular troops and his militia (coletivos as they call) using lethal force. In January alone 40 people died. This is not even considering the people that his forces take away and that are never seen again. There are hundreds of reports as well from the terrified venezuelans fleeing the country. He did not win the elections democratically. He pretty much made the oposition unable to participate and used rigged eletronic machines. He has beeing imprisioning oposition politicians for years.

I don't think you belive in anything you wrote, its just impossible to disconsider everything thats happening. Its pretty much saying there was no holocaust or that there was no civil war in Syria.

[LMuhlen]

I don't think you belive in anything you wrote, its just impossible to disconsider everything thats happening. Its pretty much saying there was no holocaust or that there was no civil war in Syria.

Or that there wasn't a barbaric military dictatorship in Brazil, who tortured thousands and killed hundreds.

People believe what they want to believe.

[Nefastus]

Or that there wasn't a barbaric military dictatorship in Brazil, who tortured thousands and killed hundreds.

People believe what they want to believe.

The military government in Brazil was intensively discussed just some posts ago, want me to copy/paste the diferences again for you? You are very poorly informed of the situation in Venezuela and most likely know even less about what happened in Brazil. Its not a matter of belief when there are facts to prove something. Still the information is up there, let me know if you want to know more. Now back at the Venezuela situation, Maybe the nightmare in there is something new at USA but here in south america we know for a while the martydon of the population. Milions fled the country to the point of destabilizing the neighboor countries. Hundreds killed by his troops/milita. People starving (it got to the point that people were eating their pets and invading zoos to kill animals to eat). Total colapse of the health system. Child mortality rates skyrocketed to the point of being worse than in the beggining of the XX century. A leaked document from UN with 45 pages calculates that 7 million venezuelans, or 1 of 4 people in the country, need urgent humanitarian help. Acording to the researcher César Munos from Human Rights Watch "its an unberable situation that is only comparable to countries at war".


Saying Maduro didnt kill anyone and that he loves his people is plain madness. Maduro is the worst kind of dictator, he is not just power hungry he is also mad. Guess you never heard about his story with birds and how they whispered to him what Chavez wanted him to do.

[lummiuster]

Where I am getting my information? Its ALL over the news for years now and I am not talking only about USA media. Every pacific protest on the streets end up with Maduro forces, both regular troops and his militia (coletivos as they call) using lethal force. In January alone 40 people died. This is not even considering the people that his forces take away and that are never seen again. There are hundreds of reports as well from the terrified venezuelans fleeing the country. He did not win the elections democratically. He pretty much made the oposition unable to participate and used rigged eletronic machines. He has beeing imprisioning oposition politicians for years.

I don't think you belive in anything you wrote, its just impossible to disconsider everything thats happening. Its pretty much saying there was no holocaust or that there was no civil war in Syria.

No where did they say Maduro ordered to kill or arrest anyone. Not even Guaido. I didn't know about what happened in january, I looked it up. Man they are taking some facts and distorting it to make you believe random things.
U.N. human rights spokesman Rupert Colville said on Tuesday: "40 people are believed* to have been killed, 26 of them by pro-government force". So already 14 of these murders were committed by random people. Out of these 26, 16 of them have been killed for "looting, stealing, abusing other people" outside of the protest as they were taking advantage of the chaos (they would have been shot in the US too). Now it dropped to 10 murders which is still not acceptable but we can't pronounce ourselves without knowing what happened. Regarding the arrests... we fuckin do it in Canada/France/USA all the time when people go nuts and then we free them (except those with weapons).
Maduro won the elections democratically. Even the polls before the election day suggested he was ahead of the opposition. The day of the election Guiado claimed that his people didn't vote to protest against Maduro. This is a pathetic excuse. Can you imagine if the democrats would tell us that Trump is not legitimate because they decided to boycott the election?
Btw regarding your thoughts on "disconsider what is happening"... There was no fuckin weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 1 Million people died. It was because of people like you that we got enough support to do such stupid thing.

[Moadar]

If no one else is willing to intervene then dont bitch when Russia does.

[Nefastus]

No where did they say Maduro ordered to kill or arrest anyone. Not even Guaido. I didn't know about what happened in january, I looked it up. Man they are taking some facts and distorting it to make you believe random things.
U.N. human rights spokesman Rupert Colville said on Tuesday: "40 people are believed* to have been killed, 26 of them by pro-government force". So already 14 of these murders were committed by random people. Out of these 26, 16 of them have been killed for "looting, stealing, abusing other people" outside of the protest as they were taking advantage of the chaos (they would have been shot in the US too). Now it dropped to 10 murders which is still not acceptable but we can't pronounce ourselves without knowing what happened. Regarding the arrests... we fuckin do it in Canada/France/USA all the time when people go nuts and then we free them (except those with weapons).
Maduro won the elections democratically. Even the polls before the election day suggested he was ahead of the opposition. The day of the election Guiado claimed that his people didn't vote to protest against Maduro. This is a pathetic excuse. Can you imagine if the democrats would tell us that Trump is not legitimate because they decided to boycott the election?
Btw regarding your thoughts on "disconsider what is happening"... There was no fuckin weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 1 Million people died. It was because of people like you that we got enough support to do such stupid thing.

So you mean his troops and his militia are acting without his permission for this whole time, killing for years now? Are you serious? These murders commited by "random people" are done by the militia. There are plenty of info showing that they act together with oficial government troops, shoulder to shoulder. Hell, situation is so dire that wikipedia itself has pages about the situation in there. Of course we cannot be sure of the total death toll, they arrest or send any internacional reporters away. Media in there lives in constant fear since the beggining of the 2000s. Its not diferent from what happens in North Korea. Its not like these countries share their kill count. Deaths have been happening constantly since 2014 in the protests. Political prisioners numbers are huge. Comparing said prisons to what happens in Europe/Canada/USA is laughable, since when they arrest people for just being vocal against the government in there? Imagine if Trump acted like Maduro. Now, lets go wild and imagine that arrests like that happened in said countries, would they include all sorts of tortures, among them rapes? Punishing the family of people that were protesting?

Again about protests they are happening for years now and deaths are plenty. Recently in the humanitarian trucks crisis ambulances were taken venezuelan wounded and dead to Brazil hospitals so we do know some that died in these protests too. Even mayors from nearby cities in Venezuela are fleeing the country. Troops at the border took the oportunnity to flee as well to Colombia and Brazil. Maduro closed the borders to not allow trucks with food and medicine to get in. Did you see his claims to justify closing the borders? The humanitarian help was contaminated with cancerigious agents. Lol.

Maduro didnt win crap democratically. It was already showed that elections in Venezuela are rigged for years. He controls even the judiciary and the legislative. When he lost the majority in the congress he MADE A NEW ONE. Pretty much everyone at oposition lives in constant fear as they are arrested for any reasons Maduro can come with. Some stayed in jail for years (Leopoldo Lopez stayed 3 years in jail because he was an oposicionist politician). Lots of politicians fled the country. Most of the world considers him a bloodthirsty dictator and from the big countries he only have support from countries that are an "example" of democracies such as Cuba, China and Russia.

You know nothing about whats happening there and you show that constantly. There are plenty of news and reports saying how dire situation in that dictatorship has become. In South America we are aware of the situation in there for years. Everyone in here want Maduro out.


Some news from TODAY:

"Venezuela’s unemployment rate is soaring to levels unseen in the world since the Bosnian war came to an end more than two decades ago, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Joblessness will reach 44.3 percent in 2019 and will slam nearly half of Venezuela’s labor force in 2020, the IMF said in its World Economic Outlook published on Tuesday. Bosnia and Herzegovina’s joblessness was 50 percent in 1996, immediately after its 3 1/2-year domestic war, according to the multilateral’s database.

The Venezuelan depression is among the deepest economic catastrophes ever suffered by a nation outside of wartime. This year alone, the Andean nation’s output will shrink by a quarter -- the most worldwide since the 2014 start of the Libyan civil war, according to the IMF. The contraction has become so large that it’s generating “sizable drag” on growth not just in Latin America, but also in emerging markets as a whole.

Many businesses and shops remain closed in what once were the busiest commercial districts of the capital, Caracas. Inside the Sabana Grande and Las Mercedes neighborhoods, few people wander into shops whose shelves are either completely empty or packed with a single product. Bare-bones staff can hardly weather the shortages and hyperinflation; at today’s rate, an employee’s monthly minimum wage of 18,000 bolivars ($5.50) isn’t enough to afford a McDonald’s Happy Meal.

An index tracking employment offers in the country fell 42 percent in March compared to the same month a year earlier, according to consultancy Econometrica".


Its because of mindless people like you that countries like Venezuela become hell holes. Comparing their situation as the one in Iraq is something that only a clueless person would do. Unlike Iraq Venezuela is right at our side and their population interact (or at least did until Maduro closed the borders to stop people from fleeing) constantly with us brazilians. We are seeing daily the misery this dictator is inflicting upon inocent people. Not that it matters to you anyways, as you said above we are just a "trash country", something only a garbage human being would say. Spend ONE weekend in Venezuela and come back here defending their dictator that acording to you, loves his population (loves so much that closed the borders so they cant leave lol). Feel free to keep embarasing yourself more if you wish. Not sure if you like being schooled, are just trolling or is completely alienated from reality (would bet in the last one).

[LMuhlen]

The military government in Brazil was intensively discussed just some posts ago, want me to copy/paste the diferences again for you?

Well, I wasn't really talking in that post about the several similarities between the two dictatorships, just that some people choose to believe one of them wasn't an awful barbaric regime. It was answering to your question of how could people "disconsider everything" that happened, which seemed pretty hypocritical to me.

Now on topic of the similarities between the current barbaric dictatorship of Venezuela and the late barbaric military dictatorship in Brazil, according to a 5 minutes google search... I previously said that the main difference was that one was an economic success, by the country's standards, while the Venezuelan case is a complete economic catastrophe. But it seems the Brazilian dictatorship ended with an inflation rate above 200% per year! Wow, that doesn't sound so good after all! And not only that, but their entire economic strategy was based on absolute government control of the country, setting salaries, setting prices, nationalizing several economic segments. If you ask me, that sounds a lot like communism... It seems these dictatorships are really very similar, even in their economic approach.

he is not just power hungry he is also mad. Guess you never heard about his story with birds and how they whispered to him what Chavez wanted him to do.

How could we not have heard of it? In this topic alone you must have mentioned it three times already.

Now, is that a mad dictator or a cunning manipulative populist dictator who knows what the people want and adds some theatricality to it? If the people voted for Chavez and he died, what better way to illustrate how Maduro was the rightful successor if not by saying they were still in touch, while at the same time immortalizing the presence of Chavez?

It doesn't mean he is crazy, only that he is lying. If you can't dismiss the veils and analyse what could be underneath it, it only reassures me of my previous impression that you believe what you want to believe.

[Nefastus]

Well, I wasn't really talking in that post about the several similarities between the two dictatorships, just that some people choose to believe one of them wasn't an awful barbaric regime. It was answering to your question of how could people "disconsider everything" that happened, which seemed pretty hypocritical to me.

Now on topic of the similarities between the current barbaric dictatorship of Venezuela and the late barbaric military dictatorship in Brazil, according to a 5 minutes google search... I previously said that the main difference was that one was an economic success, by the country's standards, while the Venezuelan case is a complete economic catastrophe. But it seems the Brazilian dictatorship ended with an inflation rate above 200% per year! Wow, that doesn't sound so good after all! And not only that, but their entire economic strategy was based on absolute government control of the country, setting salaries, setting prices, nationalizing several economic segments. If you ask me, that sounds a lot like communism... It seems these dictatorships are really very similar, even in their economic approach.

With a lot of simplification perhaps, like saying the ocean is blue and so is the sky so they are the same thing. The objetives, the historical situation, the result and pretty much everything was diferent between two. Just some pages ago I post a link with some of the things terrorists did in Brazil during the time period, the kind of people that were trying to take the country. Its curious, the world we have today could not exist if those people who the military fought against won. Cuba is a small island and the missile crisis almost ended the world. Imagine a country the size of Brazil being a comunist dictatorship, glorious 'Murica might not exist today and most of the world.

In short you are pretty much doing the same as saying people that fought for independence in USA are the same as ISIS. Its a gross comparation from someone very detached from Brazil's reality, both present and past. Have to say thats boderline insulting really, specially for people that studied our country history.

How could we not have heard of it? In this topic alone you must have mentioned it three times already.

Now, is that a mad dictator or a cunning manipulative populist dictator who knows what the people want and adds some theatricality to it? If the people voted for Chavez and he died, what better way to illustrate how Maduro was the rightful successor if not by saying they were still in touch, while at the same time immortalizing the presence of Chavez?

It doesn't mean he is crazy, only that he is lying. If you can't dismiss the veils and analyse what could be underneath it, it only reassures me of my previous impression that you believe what you want to believe.

Lets see, you said he might be a cunning individual right instead of a batshit crazy person. Lets take a look at what he done this far. He starved his country, brutalized his population, destroyed the health system and now dont even let people flee the shithole. People are eating their dogs and animals from the zoo. he surely knows what the people of Venezuela wants, it was clearly this from the beggining.

Your previous impression of me, as well as what you know about Venezuela and Brazil are once again lacking. Its easy to defend a dicator from the safety of your home in a first world country. As I told to the other dude, spend one weekend in there living as a venezuelan first.

[Independent voter]

The political crisis engulfing Venezuela has left almost a quarter of the once-wealthy South American nation's population in dire need of help, a new United Nations report says. The internal report, obtained by CBS News, says 7 million Venezuelans "or about 24 percent of the total population currently living in the country, are estimated to have urgent priority needs for assistance and protection."

A whopping 94 percent of Venezuelans are living in poverty, according to the report, dubbed an "overview of priority humanitarian needs" in the country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezue...eed-un-report/



Socialism ruins yet another country.