The one responsible for freeing N'zoth is...

[Justpassing]

I blame the society.

[ohwell]

Did you miss the fact that I was talking about THE DIVINE BELL?

Divine Bell wasn't OG. There is no true indication where it comes from in game, but the speculation was that it was carved from Ra.

[Varodoc]

So she hates all PC Priests?

The PC Priest was using it to protect the world, not continue the mortal cycle of hatred while the planet is literally dying.

Divine Bell wasn't OG. There is no true indication where it comes from in game, but the speculation was that it was carved from Ra.

I didn't say that it was Old God power, I said that it was dark sorcery. Did you miss that when Garrosh used it his forces were overtaken by the Sha?

[Super Dickmann]

The PC Priest was using it to protect the world, not continue the mortal cycle of hatred while the planet is literally dying.

Not even the Earthmother gives two shits about the planet dying, she's busy buffing war drums to help the faction war. And Sylvanas doesn't even go after the knaifu like we did in the past expansion, we just give it to her as part of our N'zoth entrapment plan.

[ohwell]

It is possible, but I think the context here is quite different, making the word take on something of a different meaning between the two scenarios. Ruin is also what N'Zoth wants.

No he doesn't. Old Gods have 1 purpose and they way they get to it is entirely up to them: Infecting a sleeping titan

Nzoth has to be one of the dumbest of the Old Gods as rather than choosing to have someone secretly free him and ascend to Void God(or whatever the being would be called) status, he chose to say "HEY GUISE I'M HEEEEEEEEEERE". All of his competition is gone. None of them did it historically because they were at war for who would get it.

Whatever he thinks of Sylvanas means she will do something that will prevent his purpose from coming.

[Aucald]

That's actually an interesting point. Is it what he wants? We'd see it as such obviously, but N'zoth is the first old god who doesn't seem to be a card-carrying bad guy. He talks about how this is how to turn the tide and he has datamined lines about enemies of all, along with speaking favourably to the player and talking about truths being revealed. So while he obviously wants ruin for us, I don't think he views his victory that way - after all he refers to the buff he gives as a gift, even though we know from the affected Zandalari that it turns them into murderous nutjobs.

The Old Gods think their goals are the proper course of things - that the world they want is the ideal world, tentacles waving and Void energy saturating everything left standing. N'Zoth seems the most perversely evangelical of his peers, and is attempting to sell us on his "dream" for Azeroth, which from our perspective would be a benighted hellscape of twisted flesh and darkness. The "enemies of all" are likely the ones who would bring peace or at least but a halt to his agenda, and the player is to be his herald and prime believer.

Madness has long been the gift of the Old Gods - N'Zoth is just twisted enough to truly believe it is a blessing of some kind.

[Shampro]

Amazing storytelling by Blizzard, definitely not predictable and lazily copy pasted, and not pretty much completely OOC.

[Aucald]

No he doesn't. Old Gods have 1 purpose and they way they get to it is entirely up to them: Infecting a sleeping titan

Nzoth has to be one of the dumbest of the Old Gods as rather than choosing to have someone secretly free him and ascend to Void God(or whatever the being would be called) status, he chose to say "HEY GUISE I'M HEEEEEEEEEERE". All of his competition is gone. None of them did it historically because they were at war for who would get it.

Whatever he thinks of Sylvanas means she will do something that will prevent his purpose from coming.

"Ruin" from our perspective. For N'Zoth its victory would be a paradise, relative to itself. N'Zoth's established M.O. is also to take the things that oppose him and somehow twist them to his purpose. He wants Sylvanas to have Xal'atath, something he has now twisted to her purpose as well - I don't think this is a coincidence by any means.

[Hubbl3]

Well, everybody said "The boy is dangerous" and "I feel a disturbance in the force" and bla bla bla - yet they trained Anakin Skywalker.

Maybe George Lucas wrote the stories. And why not? That BS (eps 1-3) made three billion at the box office

Yes, but especially we know about how dangerous this stuff is. We are the one cleaning the mess up all the time after all.


But on a second thought... all these world ending threats were pushovers so why should we think this time will be different.

[Varodoc]

all these world ending threats were pushovers so why should we think this time will be different.

Because Blizzard has shown that they won't shy away from having the good guys lose. Gul'dan triumphed at the Battle of the Broken Shore and killed three of the greatest mortal leaders. That is the only example, actually, still it shows that the good guys don't always have plot armor. So even if N'zoth loses he could still inflict heavy losses upon his opponents. This would make sense considering what Xal'athah has to say of him: Such is the God of the Deep's cunning, that defeat always ends up working in his favour.

[EbaumsTipster]

"I want evil Old Gods, but not ones that can control me! REEEE"

[Aeula]

#Notmyplayercharacter.

I ignored the quest on my main. Blame my priest and Alliance character, they’re idiots and/or crazy.

I am pretty sick of Blizzard making our characters do stupid shit though. If they had it where the dagger was compelling us to do these things via mind control then fair enough, but we didn’t have that. We’re just stupid and greedy.

[Super Dickmann]

Amazing storytelling by Blizzard, definitely not predictable and lazily copy pasted, and not pretty much completely OOC.

You know, that last part is likely to just get me saltier as this goes on, but making Sylvanas, who's whole shtick was breaking free from mind control and commit herself to imposing her own will and by extension that of her followers into a mind-controlled patsy does get on my tits. I kind of expected it to annoy me even more, but at this stage it's mostly just funny.

[Nurasu]

"I want evil Old Gods, but not ones that can control me! REEEE"

It just seems lazy to me. Hmm, we need to get this knife from point A to point B, so.. mind control. Great!

[EbaumsTipster]

It just seems lazy to me. Hmm, we need to get this knife from point A to point B, so.. mind control. Great!

It's lazy, but imo it's better than Sylvanas walking in behind you or her thugs stealing it from you (as both Alliance AND Horde) so she can go "nah nah" when you talk to her afterward.

[Shampro]

You know, that last part is likely to just get me saltier as this goes on, but making Sylvanas, who's whole shtick was breaking free from mind control and commit herself to imposing her own will and by extension that of her followers into a mind-controlled patsy does get on my tits. I kind of expected it to annoy me even more, but at this stage it's mostly just funny.

I think it's funny now, I used to be annoyed & even angry. The story is completely unsalvageable, not just for her, but for pretty much everyone aside from a small select few. Full stop. And I fucking love how they waved around it before launch because they knew the backlash would be fucking immense.

The player character is the biggest lol worthy out of all this.

[The Stormbringer]

This totally doesn't remind me of Garrosh, who ordered his champions to find the Divine Bell so that he could use its dark powers to turn the war in his favour.

Of course, since Afrasiabi and Danuser have a boner for Sylvanas, she is somehow different from Garrosh.

For what's worth it, Mayla Highmountain (if Blizzard remembers her) should be pissed off once she learns that Sylvanas is using an Old God artifact.

She will "never be in the same position" as Garrosh (the whole trial thing), if I recall. That just speaks of Mary Sue in that she can always slip out of it, or that she'd rather kill herself than be held to justice.

[Shampro]

of Mary Suee.

lol

10funnychars

[Nurasu]

It's lazy, but imo it's better than Sylvanas walking in behind you or her thugs stealing it from you (as both Alliance AND Horde) so she can go "nah nah" when you talk to her afterward.

It is better when you put it that way. I forget sometimes that there's no floor to go from for Blizzard's writing. It can always go down xD

[Soulwind]

For what's worth it, Mayla Highmountain (if Blizzard remembers her) should be pissed off once she learns that Sylvanas is using an Old God artifact.

If the racial leaders of the Horde were anything but background characters, the tauren, the blood elves, the nightborne and the highmountain would have left the Horde the minute Sylvanas burned a fucking World Tree for no reason at all.

And the pandaren would have left it immediately after SoO...