DHS packs 900 people in a room for 125

[Yaney]

I have a solution if you don't wanna be stuck in room for 125 with other 899 people. Don't migrate illegally. Magic I know.

[Machismo]

I have a solution if you don't wanna be stuck in room for 125 with other 899 people. Don't migrate illegally. Magic I know.

Make them all legal, problem solved. Freedom and capitalism are wonderful.

[Draco-Onis]

I have a solution if you don't wanna be stuck in room for 125 with other 899 people. Don't migrate illegally. Magic I know.

ISIS must say the same thing when they capture our soldiers great to know you subscribe to their logic.

[Daelak]

I didn't. I just explained why letting them in right now would bankrupt the country. You're trying to push your open borders and getting upset when I call you on your socialistic ways, and then get mad when I call you on being full of it.

Also Trump gave tax breaks, not increase them.

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Proof that broham wants open borders, case closed. He's just "playing around" with the rest of us.

Conservative braintrusts cannot concede that immigration has and will always be a major economic and cultural boon for the US, so they always appeal for non-solutions to non-problems, mediocrity is the name of the game.

[Machismo]

I didn't. I just explained why letting them in right now would bankrupt the country. You're trying to push your open borders and getting upset when I call you on your socialistic ways, and then get mad when I call you on being full of it.

Also Trump gave tax breaks, not increase them.

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Proof that broham wants open borders, case closed. He's just "playing around" with the rest of us.

But, it won't bankrupt the country, because they have been getting in for decades. Hell, our country expanded on the backs of immigrants. By pointing to making them legal, and you balking at it, you are showing that your issue is not with illegal immigrants, but with immigrants.

You can say "proof" all you want, but I already made my stance quite clear in regards to what I want with borders. I want all property to be private, so there would be no need for borders.

Trump raised tariffs. Tariffs are taxes. I doubt you can even admit Trump raised taxes... and spending... and the deficit.

Thanks for revealing yourself to be a nationalist socialist, just like I have been saying from the start.

[Machismo]

Here you go calling me a nazi again, these moderators sure know how to do their jobs unbiased!

No, I called you a nationalist socialist. If I wanted to call you a Nazi, I would have done so. I've done it in the past to other posters.

I already backed up my claims to both. You clearly want to keep out immigrants, and want an authoritarian government to push national sovereignty, and fight against globalization. Your desire to restrict the movement of labor and capital is part of that nationalistic push... controlling means of production.

I'm now reminded of the "journalist" who claimed he got PTSD from firing an AR-15

[Machismo]

And again, you're either being disingenuous or you're unable to understand what nazi stands for. Either way you're using this purposely to call me a nazi and try to skate by with it. There's zero proof of anything that I've said that warrants you calling me a socialist.

And I stated I want illegals kept out. Open borders can never and will never work.

Once again, if I want to call you a Nazi, i will do so. I'm not calling you one.

Make those illegals legal, you should have no issues with that.

[Machismo]

I have no issues when they're going through the proper channels to become legal. Giving citizenship to literally anyone that wants it at any time is insane. A government should have very little to do with their citizens lives, but making sure they stay safe, aka protecting them from those that would do them harm is really the only thing a government should do. Protecting their borders falls under this. I've shown you my political compass that shows I'm libertarian not authoritarian, now back up your claims and prove you're actually this "libertarian" you claim to be.

No one in their right mind except for you left socialists want open borders.

So, make it far easier to be legal, and let them all in. If you claim to only have a problem with illegals, then you shouldn't have a problem with drastically increasing the number of legal immigrants. It really is that simple. But, since you keep balking at the idea, it's clear your problem is with immigration.

I didn't save my political compass when I took it, and I have no desire to take it again. But, I believe I was three-ish steps to the right from you, and about 5 down.

Now, as for me supposedly being a left socialist, perhaps you could enlighten everyone on all my socialistic political stances. This should be good. I didn't know that support for individual liberty, limited government, and the free markets was socialism.

[J012D4N]

No, I called you a nationalist socialist. If I wanted to call you a Nazi, I would have done so.

Mach, my dude....
Unless the term "Nazi" evolved into a 180 variant of what it stood for 24 hours ago (I didn't get the memo), "Nazism" = National Socialism OR Nazi = Nationalist Socialist. Yeah, you 100% didn't call him a "Nazi". Pretty much the same damn thing though.
Just an FYI, not saying you're right/wrong.

[Machismo]

Mach, my dude....
Unless the term "Nazi" evolved into a 180 variant of what it stood for 24 hours ago (I didn't get the memo), "Nazism" = National Socialism OR Nazi = Nationalist Socialist. Yeah, you 100% didn't call him a "Nazi". Pretty much the same damn thing though.

Except I specifically stated I am not calling him a Nazi.

Yep, it's that easy.

Would you prefer I call him a nationalist and socialist? Socialist nationalist? Socialist and nationalist?

[Machismo]

Our government is actually one of the more lax on immigration, and it's difficult on purpose, to prevent people from creating a mass coup on the government/local areas. Say you let this 900 in. I doubt many of them speak passing english, so how are they going to work? They're going to do to this country what the migrant crisis did to many European countries. This would destabilize us. Also had you paid attention, I agreed with your stance on removing all government aid, but stated that should happen prior to opening the flood gates.

Also, good to know that I can believe someone like you on your word, so in turn you should believe that I'm actually Simba, born from the time of 100AD, and being a timeless mythical beast I was granted citizenship everywhere, and I often have tea with the queen. Also you should believe that I'm capable of omnipresence and so I know you're lying, but take me to my word, just like I have to take you for yours.

Having open borders would destroy every bit of infrastructure we currently have, crops, jobs, elections, etc. Only someone who's either too daft to understand how the world works would support it, so again either you're being disingenuous or you're incapable of understanding basic worldly things.

Lets just assume you're not either, I'll be overwhelmingly nice here. What do you think is going to happen when we open the flood gates and thousands of people enter the country that can't speak our language and are unskilled laborers with god knows how many gangs to follow?

They would find work the same way the tens of millions before them found work. They clearly don't have an issue with that. It's only a crisis for those who hate immigrants. The United States has been getting immigrants coming here for a very long time.

If you are going to claim I'm a left socialist, then surely you can find examples. I'll be holding my breath.

Let the free markets decide. When there's no more work to be had, people will stop coming.

I'm not sure how you cannot grasp what I'm saying. I want all land to be private, so there would be no public land in which to require a border. If I want immigrants on my property, to do work for me, great. If you do not, great. No government would be needed at all.

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if they did not break the law this kind of thing would not happen to them?

i guess in your mind if to many people break the law at the same time there should be no consquences

Make them legal, then they are not breaking the law.

Wow, limited government and freedom are wonderful things.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

if they did not break the law this kind of thing would not happen to them?

i guess in your mind if to many people break the law at the same time there should be no consquences

It’s not breaking the law to cross and apply for asylum.

[Noradin]

if they did not break the law this kind of thing would not happen to them?

i guess in your mind if to many people break the law at the same time there should be no consquences

It's not them who broke the law...

[Machismo]

They don't speak the language, they're unskilled workers, they're not going to find work except in their own small communities, these communities become sub states, and drive out those that arent apart of their culture, like saw see in Europe with the migrant crisis. You're a socialist because you're demanding these people be let into the country, they won't find work, they won't blend with the rest of the nation, so they will have to suck on the tit of the already established things the government has at their disposal. The government will never reliquish their benifits, there's too many that rely on them, and you know it. You're a socialist because what you're pushing that the outcome that will come from it.

You want all land to be private? It already is to a lesser extent, it's owned by a private group than these people. These people don't want them on their land, thus dubbing them illegal, you don't give a shit and you want to crowbar them in anyway even though they would disrupt the lives of everyone around them and force them out. Again, I can't tell if you're living in a fantasy world where everyone gets along and shits money, but in the real world this would have horrifying results.

Millions of illegals manage to get jobs just fine, imagine that. You are asking how they can possibly do something, that they are already doing.

In what reality is supporting individual liberty, limited government, and the free markets the same as socialism? I'm not trying to have the government control the means of production I'm not trying to have the government nationalize an industry, and I'm not trying to have the government take your money to pay for social programs. The guy who actually wants to control the free movement of labor and capital wants to call others socialist... clearly you have to see the irony in that.

No, not all land is private, not by a long shot. I'm not sure how you even came to that conclusion.

https://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf

If you don't want immigrants on your own private property... fine. Just stop trying to use the government to keep them off of other people's property.

It's weird that you think supporting individual liberty and limited government is somehow me "crowbarring" you.

[Templar 331]

Alright, I'm not too full of myself to admit I'm wrong, I misunderstood, I breezed that article and thought they were awaiting processing. As for this being a race thing, you're welcome to explain why these people are bigots. Because your explanation of why someone is a bigot is one of two things, either 1) these people are bigots because they wouldn't act this way if they weren't hispanic, or 2) they're bigots because they don't want people who don't belong in their country. I'll give you a hint, number 2 isn't bigoted. So if it's number 1, you're accusing them of being racist.

My "bigotry" comment was in reference to "if you don't like it then leave." Bigotry as in an intolerance towards other points of views. I have some problem with people having a view that is detrimental to others, as in this case, but they are welcome to have those views. Once they start acting on those views is when I have a problem.

As for the two points, I know people who support Trump's measures that fall into 1 and some that fall into 2. It's not a clear case for everyone and would be disingenuous to bunch them all into one category.

That said, I've also thought catch and release has been retarded, because most people who are told they need to come back for their court hearing never actually come back for their trial. If we're going to have this many illegals attempting to cross the boarder illegally, they need to be detained and charged with whatever the nation seems fit to give them, but we also need to apparently work on having facilities that can properly accommodate them as well. (We just had over a thousand I think it was get caught, so of course our current facilities won't be enough, and they're going to be packed in.)

That is a very valid criticism and I have nothing against what you said. We need to fix the problem in a way that is effective and humanitarian and what you've described does that. The problem is Trump is leading the charge with a simplistic approach that doesn't fix the problem, puts us deeper into debt, pulls funds from more essential parts of government, and is only meant to fires up his base.

Also, what he just said isn't wrong, it will always be dysfunctional because not every judge hands out the same sentence for every crime, it won't be uniform, and they do need to be stopped at the border, because people are coming in unchecked.

While the judgment part is true, I'm willing to bet that most of those detained were already here or coming through points of entry.

[the game]

We need to close the boarder until all of the ones that are currently seeking asylum are processed.

[Jonnusthegreat]

I mean I kinda was in the post you quoted.

There wasn't any evidence of sabotage, it was just a tweet about how using the legal system isn't a good way to handle immigration because it sucks.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We need to close the boarder until all of the ones that are currently seeking asylum are processed.

It would literally do nothing but harm. Closing the borders wouldn’t stop people from coming across and then applying and would cost a ton of money for no gain.

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There wasn't any evidence of sabotage, it was just a tweet about how using the legal system isn't a good way to handle immigration because it sucks.

What else would you call blocking budgets to support the legal system because they don’t have a wall?

[prwraith]

Maybe not be a criminal illegally entering a country and you wont be in an overcrowded cell? Just a thought. Said it before, I'll say it again... they aren't under fed, that's for sure... I think the average female weight is 200lbs.

It's not illegally entering a country to seek political asylum or refuge status.

[Maudib]

I don't care what these people are there for but this is gross impotence and negligence.

Cramming 900 people in a space for 125 is cruel and stupid. It doesn't take much of an imagination to come up with a list of all the things that could go wrong.

Sure sounds like a national emergency to me. Close the borders.. build that wall!