Long awaited 8.2 is out and there is no lore

[OokOok]

Patch is called rise of azshara which means other storylines are taking back seat for this patch. Throne on thunder patch also let the main mop story take back seat(Garrosh, yshraaj and sha) and its considered one of the best patches of mop.

Yeah, the diff is that Lei shen was a MOP created lore figure, he was a filler lore boss.

Azshara....has been a lore figure since WC3....and an awaited boss/appearance since WC3...So your defensive reply doesn't really work. If the next raid was about some no name figure, that'd make sense, but it's not.

[Foolicious]

Lets not forget about all the plot holes. BFA has so many that I'll probably forget at least half of them:

- Ashvane suddenly working for Azshara while we were left with her sailing away with Sylvanas
- The Horde leaders not doing anything, not even questioning Sylvanas' decision to start a war and burn down Teldrassil
- The moment the Alliance invaded Dazar'Alor, why didn't Rastakhan simply evacuate on a pterrordax and rendezvous with Talanji?
- Where are Gallywix and Mekkatorque (in his current condition) after we just discovered Mechagon?

- Ashvane has worked with azshara the whole time. It isn't as obvious as it was in the beta, where she literally asked her to send help, but if you read the quest texts its confirmed. Azshara seems to be part of sylvanas plan or play conveniently into her cards. Maybe ashvane and sylvanas didn't work together, but sylvanas simply freed her and brought her to azshara in exchange for something.
- The horde leaders don't disagree with sylvanas before the burning of teldrassil. Even baine states that he doesn't think waging war is a bad thing. Only after burning teldrassil, using the blight, raising fallen troops, leaving behind saurfang etc. they start to question her. But even then not because she started a war, but because of her tactics.
- Rastakhan defended his city against the minions of G'huun with help of bwonsamdi and Dazar'alor has a lot of potent defenses. The alliance probably didn't stand a chance if the loa themselves intervened. Rastakhan was known to be proud and full of himself and he trusted bwonsamdi to help him which was his downfall.
- I still expect a alliance version of the voljin questline for mekkatorque. Get revered with the mechagon faction and see how he gets turned into a mechagnome to save his life. Something like this. If they really invested all this time in 8.1 to give him screentime to have him absent during mechagon would be extremely dissapointing.

[chrisisvacant]

Patch is called rise of azshara which means other storylines are taking back seat for this patch. Throne on thunder patch also let the main mop story take back seat(Garrosh, yshraaj and sha) and its considered one of the best patches of mop.

Huh? Garrosh wasn't really the main story at that point. And the mogu were an oppressive force from nearly the first quests in the expansion. Of course, given that we kinda sorta knew the Sha was something related to Old Gods and we knew the mogu were constructs brought to life by... hmm.. something, Throne of Thunder is not a deviation from the story. There's entire zones dedicated to the war with the mogu that has raged for thousands of years.

Azshara is not actually present at all in BfA until moments before she arrives. We didn't even know she had the Tidestone, nor that we merely left the pillars in the Tomb (wtf - why wouldnt the Kirin Tor bring that junk back to their respective pedestals in Dal?).

[StationaryHawk]

8.2 isn't Battle for Azeroth's last patch.

Yeah, the diff is that Lei shen was a MOP created lore figure, he was a filler lore boss.

Azshara....has been a lore figure since WC3....and an awaited boss/appearance since WC3...So your defensive reply doesn't really work. If the next raid was about some no name figure, that'd make sense, but it's not.

It hurts to see people continue to call new lore "filler."

[cparle87]

You want all the answers to every story arc right now. That isn't going to happen. They still have 8.3 and end of expansion to get to that.

That pretty much hit the nail on the head. OP wants all the answers to all the expansion's storylines now. Hell, there have been times we've waiting several expansions to find out something. The kvaldir come to mind. Introduced in Wrath, we didn't find out until Legion how they came to be, who ruled them, and what their goals are. I certainly don't recall any threads in Wrath to the tune of "Blizzard's writing sucks because they introduced this new race and didn't tell us everything about them same patch."

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8.2 isn't Battle for Azeroth's last patch.

It hurts to see people continue to call new lore "filler."

Some people consider anything not Legion/Old God/Scourge related to be "filler". Or even anything not originally introduced in the RTSs. Even in this case they're wrong because sha are Old God related and mantid are their servants; and mogu are Titan creations who think they're still doing what their masters would've wanted, therefore Legion tied.

[TickTickTick]

Wrathion was only majorly teased in THIS patch, hell he was only mentioned before in an island quest that I don't think most players unlocked. Wrathion and dragons are one of the few plot arcs that actually moved in this patch.

Wrathion is being teased every patch. At Khadgar's Tower in WoD, to Ebonhorn's "family matters" in Neltharion's Lair in Legion and now this. This arc actually hasn't been moving for over 2 expansion packs now, so it's very much due.

[matrix123mko]

The Zandalari Empire declared war on the Alliance back in Cataclysm. Accompanying Talanji was Zul, the one who instigated the war (which was ongoing because there was no formal peace treaty between the Alliance and the Zandalari Empire). The problem is not why, it's how. How did the Alliance get their hands on Talanji's ship?

It was Zul. He is not the king so he can't declare war. That said, Rastakhan never addressed that problem.

[Ethas]

No shit, a patch about Azshara focuses on her and her empire instead of other story lines.

Who would have thought?

It's just so much waiting time before 8.2 for nothing only to realize that the main theme of faction war is a side story now. Instead we get Azshara out of nowhere shoved in the middle of the expansion dedicated to Azeroth and faction war. And that potentially we have to wait another half a year to get some story development. She should have better had her own story or even expansion dedicated to her. Because right now it looks like we are getting short scrumbled version of her lore which also derails the main themes of the expansion and wastes time effectively deffering the continuation of so many story lines.

[redfinale]

Patch is called rise of azshara which means other storylines are taking back seat for this patch. Throne on thunder patch also let the main mop story take back seat(Garrosh, yshraaj and sha) and its considered one of the best patches of mop.

Technically speaking, the mogu were a parallel threat to the sha when we first hit Pandaria. Garrosh wasn't truly established as an actual threat until after ToT, despite his increasing aggressions prior too, and Y'Shaarj itself wasn't a direct threat in the sense of "Oh shit, we have to fight another old god". Its heart had already been pulled out and the corrupted essences from it were the reason the sha were even a thing to begin with.

Hell, if you play through the stories in Kun'lai, one of them has you dealing with mogu that, with the help of zandalari trolls, were trying to and succeeded in reclaiming the body of Lei'Shen, setting us up as early as 8.0 for the events of 8.2. MoP just a had a couple of smaller stories that eventually got tied together neatly at the end. Hell, even the mantids' remark of "your god is not our god" was somewhat vague, though speculated to be old god, was confirmed when the paragons backed the Y'shaarj heart wielding Garrosh.

[Nuggsy]

What about the most important question? When do we get to kill Nathanos? I'm really tired of that dev self insert and his marry sue persona.

[Verdugo]

What about the most important question? When do we get to kill Nathanos? I'm really tired of that dev self insert and his marry sue persona.

Same day we get to kill Jaina and Thrall, never. Self inserts are here to stay.

[Nuggsy]

Same day we get to kill Jaina and Thrall, never. Self inserts are here to stay.

Nathanos is the cringiest of all characters. He had 'unique' story at one point but that's been flushed down the drain because some dev has a hardon for the Lich Queen.

[Tiwack]

I hear your frustration but also welcome the sidetrack or filler-story if you will.

We're forever bound to Sargeras' telepathy and illusions pulling the strings - even from prison doing the bidding of the void lords. Elune won't stand it! Free will and freedom must prevail

[Terongor]

Yeah, the diff is that Lei shen was a MOP created lore figure, he was a filler lore boss.

Azshara....has been a lore figure since WC3....and an awaited boss/appearance since WC3...So your defensive reply doesn't really work. If the next raid was about some no name figure, that'd make sense, but it's not.

As azshara has had build up since cata and in legion and she was only pawn of the old gods so as a character she doesn't need that much. Also as her chatacter was actually fleshed out in war of ancients trilogy and before the she was like Nekros the skullcrusher. As Azshara is no char villain she really doesn't need that much.

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Huh? Garrosh wasn't really the main story at that point. And the mogu were an oppressive force from nearly the first quests in the expansion. Of course, given that we kinda sorta knew the Sha was something related to Old Gods and we knew the mogu were constructs brought to life by... hmm.. something, Throne of Thunder is not a deviation from the story. There's entire zones dedicated to the war with the mogu that has raged for thousands of years.

Azshara is not actually present at all in BfA until moments before she arrives. We didn't even know she had the Tidestone, nor that we merely left the pillars in the Tomb (wtf - why wouldnt the Kirin Tor bring that junk back to their respective pedestals in Dal?).

8.1 patched focused on Garrosh and blizz had told that war was the main theme of the exp and garrosh focused continued in 8.3 and 8.4. Mogu had actually being hidden for long time in pandaria so the actually war with mogu started in 8.2.

As we don't know about that as we didn't know why wardens didn't start guarding the tomb after wc3.

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Technically speaking, the mogu were a parallel threat to the sha when we first hit Pandaria. Garrosh wasn't truly established as an actual threat until after ToT, despite his increasing aggressions prior too, and Y'Shaarj itself wasn't a direct threat in the sense of "Oh shit, we have to fight another old god". Its heart had already been pulled out and the corrupted essences from it were the reason the sha were even a thing to begin with.

Hell, if you play through the stories in Kun'lai, one of them has you dealing with mogu that, with the help of zandalari trolls, were trying to and succeeded in reclaiming the body of Lei'Shen, setting us up as early as 8.0 for the events of 8.2. MoP just a had a couple of smaller stories that eventually got tied together neatly at the end. Hell, even the mantids' remark of "your god is not our god" was somewhat vague, though speculated to be old god, was confirmed when the paragons backed the Y'shaarj heart wielding Garrosh.

Mogu was only threat in kun-alai and vale nowere else and as blizz said Garrosh would be the final boss of mop and the focus on 8.1 when he tried to kill vol'jin combination with the shadows of the horde novel and vol'jin and the build up towards uniting against Garrosh in it.

[CreatureLives]

Storylines don't usually get wrapped up halfway through a movie.

[Wangming]

Welcome to problem with BfA x+1. The story isn't about anything in particular. It is about faction war. But you also have to save the planet. And you have this filler arc with Azshara. And an even more filler arc with Mechagon that has fuck all to do with any of these. They are basically just stalling for time till 9.0

[Raetary]

The story isn't about anything in particular.

The story is about azeroth dying and us doing shit all while background forces pull their strings and we gotta deal with all of that.
I get that the story sucks, it's bloody horrendous, but saying it's not about anything is just wrong.

Yes, Mechagon is filler content that has no real basis, Nazjatar is not however.
Azshara has been an active part of this expansion since the start and it was clear that we were gonna get Naz at some point.

[Wangming]

The story is about azeroth dying and us doing shit all while background forces pull their strings and we gotta deal with all of that.
I get that the story sucks, it's bloody horrendous, but saying it's not about anything is just wrong.

Yes, Mechagon is filler content that has no real basis, Nazjatar is not however.
Azshara has been an active part of this expansion since the start and it was clear that we were gonna get Naz at some point.

I think we are talking about the same thing. Just differently. Yes it is about things. But several things and this makes it loose focus. Like Batman vs Superman. It wants to tell five stories but this just results in telling all of them badly.

[Powerogue]

I'm banking on the raid finale addressing where the nzoth stuff is headed.

We haven't seen the gnome king yet? I expected him in the alliance side. Banking on the mechagnome allied race chain then.

Xal'atath is the entity that was previously bound inside the priest artifact dagger. She's free now, off to who knows where, and the dagger being used by N'zoth to influence Sylvanas by all current signs.

On the faction war it seems pretty straightforwardly foreshadowed that Sylvanas will turn on the tauren for protecting Baine, who will then be assisted by the alliance in defending Thunder Bluff from her fury.

Dunno about the death themed stuff, I'd assume they'll reveal that when they reveal Sylvanas's "true plans." We'll get who she's been working with as a big package reveal.

[Wangming]

I'm banking on the raid finale addressing where the nzoth stuff is headed.

We haven't seen the gnome king yet? I expected him in the alliance side. Banking on the mechagnome allied race chain then.

Xal'atath is the entity that was previously bound inside the priest artifact dagger. She's free now, off to who knows where, and the dagger being used by N'zoth to influence Sylvanas by all current signs.

On the faction war it seems pretty straightforwardly foreshadowed that Sylvanas will turn on the tauren for protecting Baine, who will then be assisted by the alliance in defending Thunder Bluff from her fury.

Dunno about the death themed stuff, I'd assume they'll reveal that when they reveal Sylvanas's "true plans." We'll get who she's been working with as a big package reveal.

Well Xal'atath is definitely going to play a big part in either 8.3, 9.0 or both. Well it could happen that she will be the new Wrathion and will be irrelevant for four expansions, but I'm fairly certain there will be a payoff.