I would be exvited about 2 night elven nations

[Mace]

I first spoke about this 2 years ago, before we knew the nightborne would aid the blood elves for BFA, but with the talk of factions disappearing, it's time to revisit my idea of 2 night elven nations. I would very much like that. BUt here is how I'd imagine they would be developed.

The Kalimdor Kaldorei
1. The first is the Darnassian group - with Cenarion druids, Tyrande's sentinel/huntress heavy priesthood and the shen'dralar restored highborne order. These would be a more foresty elf night elf (not entirely forest elves, they are still a combo of dark elf and forest elf - as the highborne would show), but they would have that deep wilds feel, Kalimdor is there home.

New Capital: Eldre'thalas restored where the highborne and civilians live, with the forest, moonglade and hyjal still being key places for druids. The priests and demon hunters also restore much of desolace ruins - and it is from here they launch their campaigns to totally reclaim Ashenvale and Darkshore. Teldrassil is forever a ruin. Mount hyjal and Nordrassil is their Well of Eternity and World tree. New magnificent Temple of Elune in Sargeron.

The Warcraft 3 sets and vibe dominate this group, but it also adds the civilization elements of wow through Dire Maul and the highborne - the highborne are restored more to their original pre-addiction selves very much valuing the balance and harmony with nature, like night elf arcane users use to be like before Azshara really transformed the order she founded into a more ambitious frenzied driven group.

Fighting for Hyjal, Moonglade, Ashenvlae, Stonetalon is part of their main focus. Feralas is their main base and they dominate Desolace too, they are however not at war with the peaceful tauren villages, and since their is no more horde or alliance relationships improve. and grow in time.

The Broken Isles Shal'dorei
2. The second group is dominated by the nightborne is basically based on the pre-sundering era of the night elves modernised. So the Nightborne led night elf group sees the 7.0 Thalyssra return properly, she had her suspicions about Sylvanas and the horde, but stayed for the sake of the blood elves. The broken isle night elves are an alliance of people dominated by the Nightborne . They have druids of Val'sharah led by Valewalker Farodin helping them, Priests too from the Temple of Elune and new nightborne acolytes training in the restored Cathedral of Eternal night. They are repairing Azsuna and many of the night elf ruins in Suramar. The moonguard now train both nightborne and night elves in arcane combat, the Duskguard become an elite unit specifically for the nightborne high council and the city of Suramar, but they are a wing of the Moonguard which is where they originally developed.

A new version of the nightwell is restored by the help this times of druids and priests as well as mages, and co-incides with a falling star.. it is called the Starwell and is purified by the light of Elune, having a silver colour.

Shaladrassil is the world tree for duridsm of the area, and Val'sharah druids have a much stronger balance druid identity and Emerald dream manipulation than the Kalimdor ones who are more feral/guardian and resto druid based, due to the nightborne and Moonguard's arcane expertise working together. Nightborne druids are known as Valewalkers.

These night elves are very friendly with Demon hunters and thalassians too, void elves are particularly drawn to the dark side of the moon. Demon hunters and Wardens collaborate togehter

Tyrande is still the High Priestess of all the Order of Elune as well as Malfurion the arch druid over all druids, however the Val'sharah druids and Suramar priests are their own very distinct group. If Prince Farondis gets restored, he eventually leads the the nightborne group as the highest ranking and most magically gifted noble alive.

Cross Nation Orders
One thing about the night elven nations is that they are not totally separate entities, like the human nations of Loradaron there are institutions that are shared across all of them, but just the emphasis in each is different.

Both groups have wardens, druids, highborne, priests etc, however the capacity and emphasis on both is different. Yet some are largely independent of nation politics and culture. Of particular note are the Wardens and Demon hunters who have very specific mandates that allow them to operate in both nations but also amongst other races. Think of them like the Ebon Blade or Cenarion Circle - except they are exclusively elves, with the wardens being female and night elven only, while the demon hunters have blood elves and other races like naga and broken even though they are night elven dominated. Easily see a branch of the illidari operating with the blood elves and in outland, while some operate in the broken siles with the nightborne nation and others in kalimdor.

The emphasis I touched on above but will repeat for emphasis.
Druids: Larger in the Kalimdor nation, with the bigger Cenarion institution, - their focus is more feral druids, guardians and restoration. The main world tree is their purview, and with Teldrassil burnt they steward this, they are all members of the cenarion circle, but they serve the kaldorie nation too after the war of thorns.
The smaller group is in the Broken Isle nation, their focus is the Emerald dream and Balance druidsm - they have a heavier arcane influence due to the nightborne and valewalkers - Farodin did note in Suramar the nightborne even in their most reckless state did care about life and the delicate balance, the arcan'dor saved the nightborne and many nightborne found a new respect for druidsm when they heard the exploits of Malfurion Stormrage and the victory their kin had over the legion twice, something they with all their arcane power were not able to do. As such many nighborne bring new advancements in combining arcane with nature in new and exciting spell work that supercee the passive ambience arcane energy from oonwells boosted nature, while some nightborne have opted to become dream wardens, a revived order of Valewalkers has arisen that actually combines arcane and nature studies

Priests. The Kalimdor group has the strong female warrior aspect to the order of Elune that the Sentinels dominate. Many of the orders older arcane teachings were mostly set aside as tyrande's women had to lead the nation itself and protect it. This gives a more hunter/warrior feel to the Kalimdor group priests, the casters are more healing focused.
The broken isle group order is revived by Tyrande, however tis one operates closer to how the order was during the pre-sundering era, with much hidden arcane knowledge in the reclaimed Cathedral and a lot of ancient history of the priest, nightborne acolyets joined the order in large amounts, drawn to exploring new ways which were very old ways of using the arcane, again impressed by the success and power of the high priestess, they naturally have a great aptitude to the arcane applications of the priesthood, and their order is more caster orientated.

The Highborne: highborne order is restored amongst the Darnassians, it is characterised by the nobility the highborne had before addiction and recklessness became the norm, led by the shen'dralar and having many new and ancient darnassians rejoining, they bring their reverence for the wilds and respect for the harmony of nature to the more hardcore arcane wielding shen'dralar making them a distinctive in a way not commonly practiced by the time the first invasion came.
Their are highborne amongst the nightborne and broken isle night elves too, they lead the arcane handling and orgnaisation oand are a much larger entity than the the new highborne order amongst the kalimdor night elves.


Conclusions
It is basically 2 different locations focusing heavily on 2 different aspects of the night elves. While the second group is the nightborne group, there are a lot of night elves involved with that, and while you can play your night elf in that nation, the proper route would be to role a nightborne. So the night elves of this group are kinda like how the high elves are now.

This allows the nightborne identity to remain distinctly of the night elven era it is based on, rather than being some second rate blood elf side kick, hence the much stronger emphasized kaldorei roots in the other groups playing a role.

The contrast in the two is pre-sundering and long vigil thrust into a new age, where the Kalimdor lot a closer to the long vigil character, and the Broken Isles are a modified continuation of the Pre-sundering era.

other considerations could have Demon hunters available to the nightborne selection screen but as Illidari, as you have Illidari with the kaldorei in Desolace as well as on the broken isles on the broken shore with training colonies in the former legion invasion areas.

[Fetus Rex]

But the second group is far from highbrow society. Thalyssra is nothing more than a terrorist and her followers come from the lowest classes of society. They are villainous pleb.

What elves need is Azshara to lead them again, not another absolute cuck on the tall chair. There is not even one pointy eared leader who is not a pussy figuratively speaking.

[Villager720]

But the second group is far from highbrow society. Thalyssra is nothing more than a terrorist and her followers come from the lowest classes of society. They are villainous pleb.

What elves need is Azshara to lead them again, not another absolute cuck on the tall chair. There is not even one pointy eared leader who is not a pussy figuratively speaking.

The same Azshara who just had 10k years of scheming blow up in her face? That Azshara?
'Cause right now her scoreboard sits at something like 0-10. Thalyssra is at least 1-1.

[Mace]

But the second group is far from highbrow society. Thalyssra is nothing more than a terrorist and her followers come from the lowest classes of society. They are villainous pleb.

What elves need is Azshara to lead them again, not another absolute cuck on the tall chair. There is not even one pointy eared leader who is not a pussy figuratively speaking.

Thalyssra can be recast back into her original light anyway, a horde pushing night elf didn't fit her at all, even for all the similarities night elven highborne culture shares with blood elves, she was pretty much opposite in 7.0 to every way the horde behaved in the WoT and early BFA. So without the horde, I can easily see her original identity re-asserting itself, and more written about the 7.0 friendships the developed with the Valewalker, the val'sharah druids and priests and the moonguard - they were all working together, but when blizzard take the nightborne horde, they suddenly disappear and all that kaldorei focus in the nightborne isn't heard of again.


As for Azshara, she could return with a group of naga who can have a naga elf form and be a night elf customization, this time actually helping out. It would be an interesting plot to see how they write her, especially if they say this is more like Azshara was before she got all vainglorious and she has to work very hard to earn the respect and trust of anyone.. but the former adoration she enjoyed.. gone, and this is part of her punishment. But as a leader to the night elves? No way, Prince Farondis is a far better character if Malfurion and Tyrande switch their focus to class heads rather than racial heads.

Alternatively they create another character to lead a naga sub-race

[Nathasil]

So, basically you want to give everything cool and desireable about the Night Elves to this "new" group (which happens to be horde flavored right now) and leave all of the stuff that most people don't like about Night Elves with the old, Alliance-flavored group to rot and you no longer have to look at them?

My biggest gripes with your "division":
1) Nightborne get druids. No, just no. Val'shara is Circle of Cenarius, which belongs to Malfurion. You want two Night Elven nations? Fine. But only one of them has druids and it is the side Malfurion choses.
2) Wardens. This one is even worse. Maiev would NEVER join the side that supported the Babykillers. Just no. It is plain to see which side she supports in Darkshore. She is obviously very impressed with Tyrande becoming so much like herself in WC3 (added note: It was really stupid of Blizzard to make Tyrande the Night Warrior with Maiev available....they even said in an Interview that there was internal debate over Maiev vs Tyrande....i don't know how they could come up with this decision...but Maiev was ALWAYS Vengeance Incarnate. Half of her abilities have "Vengeance" in the name....as a former High Priestess she would have been PERFECT as the Night Warrior....but whatever, i guess....Night Elven lore development is not really a priority for Blizzard)

You basically want to build a second Nelf-Faction that is like the best-of-all. A little reminder: The old imperial Night Elves looked down on both priests AND druids because they belived Arcane mastery to be vastly superior and everybody who choses another path a savage.

You want a Night Elven nation dominated by Suramar and closer to the old Empire? Fine. Then it has to be dominated by MAGES. No druids, no priests. They can have paladins from the Belves, though, i think that could blend in somewhat well. But definetly not Elune themed. They would have to be either Light-themed or Arcane-themed, so closer to Spellbreakers than actual paladins.

[Mace]

So, basically you want to give everything cool and desireable about the Night Elves to this "new" group (which happens to be horde flavored right now) and leave all of the stuff that most people don't like about Night Elves with the old, Alliance-flavored group to rot and you no longer have to look at them?

No, ofc not, what you have to acknowledge is that some people actually prefer the ruins/wild forest druid vibe of the classic night elves as well as the Amazonian female night elf of WC3, - these people never read war of the ancients or fell in love with the pre-sundering night elves, pre-sundering priesthood, or the demon hunters... and don't care at all for them. To this group the shen'dralar highborne are a minor group not reflective of the kaldorei in their minds.

it isn't the case ofc, but that's how they view it, to them the more foresty elf feel of WC3 is what they want their night elves to be... So why not continue the kalimdor lot as that largely, but not entirely, having a heavier focus on the long vigil aspects, while the Broken isle group has a heavier focus on the pre-sundering aspects.

My biggest gripes with your "division":
1) Nightborne get druids. No, just no. Val'shara is Circle of Cenarius, which belongs to Malfurion. You want to Night Elves nations? Fine. But only one of them have druids and it is the side Malfurion choses.
2) Wardens. This one is even worse. Maiev would NEVER join the side that supported the Babykillers. Just no. It is plain to see which side she supports in Darkshore. She is obviously very impressed with Tyrande becoming so much like herself in WC3 (added note: It was really stupid of Blizzard to make tyrande the Night Warrior with Maiev available....they even said in an Inerview that there was internal debate over Maiev vs Tyrande....i don't know how they could come up with this decision...but Maiev was ALWAYS Vengeance Incarnate. Half of her abilities have "Vengeance" in the name....as a former High Priestess she would have been PERFECT as the Night Warrior....but whatever, i guess....Night Elven lore development is not really a priority for Blizzard)

You basically want to build a second Nelf-Faction that is like the best-of-all. A little reminder: The old imperial Night Elves looked down on both priests AND druids because they belived Arcane mastery to be vastly superior and everybody who choses another path a savage.

You want a Night Elven nation dominated by Suramar and closer to the old Empire? Fine. Then it has to be dominated by MAGES. No druids, no priests. They can have paladins from the Belves, though, i think that could blend in somewhat well. But definetly not Elune themed. They would have to be either Light-themed or Arcane-themed, so closer to Spellbreakers than actual paladins.

Actually in this malfurion doesn't choose a side, he is the leader of an order, as Tyrande is, now they have shown they can lead multi-racial orders and still be racial leaders - this has been malfurion all this time. THis could be advanced by Malfurion and Tyrnade stepping down as leaders of the kaldorei so a civil leader like Jarod Shadowsong or Mordant Evenshade can take over while they focus on their orders, allowing them to be a part of both groups.

Furthermore, the Val'sharah druids ARE NOT CENARION CIRCLE. While members of the cenarion circle did travel to Val'sharah to help with the nightmare, the val'sharah druids are DREAMWARDENS their own group, Rensar Greathoof leads them.

the idea is that we are not going to have an exclusively druid night elf group and exclusively mage night elf group, both groups will have both, but the emphasis would be different. THe pre-sundering culture had druids and priests, even though the mage side dominated around the end of the rea, it had both. And likewise the long vigil kalimdor group, we see also accept their mages back as they adjust to a new post-isolation post long vigil world.

The idea here is that each nation basically is modern life from two different kaldorei eras...I mean troll s have like 5 nations, I don't see why night elves can't have 2 especially when the lore has created the context and setting for both.

but you may not like it. Neither groups are like the night elves were in either the end of the pre-sundering era or the long vigil one, both have changes, it's just the point they both continue on. Arcane prohibition is eneded in the long vigil group and arcane addiction is ended in the pre-sundering group - we see that in the lore both for the current playable night elves and the nightborne with the stories for how both come about. We also see Thalyssra and the nightborne hail the Valewalker as a hero that saved their people and the arcan'dor a national treasure, and we certainly saw nightborne botanists so while there mayb e a prejudice amongst arcnae lots against nature lots, one thing we know the elves respect are results, so there will be respect, but it's okay if they have differnet attitudes, if arcane user nobles a snuby at forest dwellers and soldiers, it is likely druids don't care about their attitudes and how they feel about them,

but things will have changed, because the arcane night elves now enter a world where nature magic is far more advanced and those who wielded it achieved the impossible twice, an area the lore hasn't explored yet, this knowledge will undoubtedly shift views of the arcane elite, given how instrumental the druids and their work were to saving the nightborne and saving the world.

And this is exactly like how the long vigil groups attitudes to the arcnae have changed, discovering shen'dralar who had weaned themselves off addiction, and were uncorrupt, having managed to hold their own and contribute significantly to the survival of the Darnassians, the value is undoubtedly high, besides, they mainly stopped the arcane to prevent the legion returning, if that wasn't necessary the lore would have had them pick it up again after a while, but the story gives a reason for why the night elves in kalimdor are different from their pre-sundering selves and have such strong nature abilities.

I would have both have both, but the emphasis different, Broken isle night elves have far more arcane involvement in their druids and priests -so balance druids and moon/star priests, whereas the kalimdor ones have high nature influence, so their druids more feral, sentinels a stronger representation of the priest order, and their highborne while arcane, noticeably more harmony minded.

I think there is enough to have a distinct enough two halves of the night elves based on their tow major eras, .. and they are not completely independent, Malfurion heads the druids, Tyrande heads the priests, I feel on the broken isles side, a restored Farondis should head the night elven mage order for both, while Vandal or Altruis leads the demon hunters who operate in both groups..but then you have racial leaders, Thalyssra leads the nightborne, but the Shadowsongs lead the night elves... not all night elves are part of the night elf faction, just like cenarion circle night elves are not under Darnassian jurisdiction

[Fetus Rex]

The same Azshara who just had 10k years of scheming blow up in her face? That Azshara?
'Cause right now her scoreboard sits at something like 0-10. Thalyssra is at least 1-1.

But she did achieve what she wanted. Knowing Old Gods plans within plans wouldn't be out of question. Every previous failure can be written into this.

Thalyssra can be recast back into her original light anyway, a horde pushing night elf didn't fit her at all, even for all the similarities night elven highborne culture shares with blood elves, she was pretty much opposite in 7.0 to every way the horde behaved in the WoT and early BFA. So without the horde, I can easily see her original identity re-asserting itself, and more written about the 7.0 friendships the developed with the Valewalker, the val'sharah druids and priests and the moonguard - they were all working together, but when blizzard take the nightborne horde, they suddenly disappear and all that kaldorei focus in the nightborne isn't heard of again.


As for Azshara, she could return with a group of naga who can have a naga elf form and be a night elf customization, this time actually helping out. It would be an interesting plot to see how they write her, especially if they say this is more like Azshara was before she got all vainglorious and she has to work very hard to earn the respect and trust of anyone.. but the former adoration she enjoyed.. gone, and this is part of her punishment. But as a leader to the night elves? No way, Prince Farondis is a far better character if Malfurion and Tyrande switch their focus to class heads rather than racial heads.

Alternatively they create another character to lead a naga sub-race

They should just kill her off.

If Azshara becomes part of the Alliance then she should be as vainglorious as ever. That's her charm. Prince Farondis is a traitor, just as Malfurion and tyrande are. They need to bow before her majesty.

[Beloren]

I first spoke about this 2 years ago, before we knew the nightborne would aid the blood elves for BFA, but with the talk of factions disappearing, it's time to revisit my idea of 2 night elven nations. I would very much like that. BUt here is how I'd imagine they would be developed.

The Kalimdor Kaldorei
1. The first is the Darnassian group - with Cenarion druids, Tyrande's sentinel/huntress heavy priesthood and the shen'dralar restored highborne order. These would be a more foresty elf night elf (not entirely forest elves, they are still a combo of dark elf and forest elf - as the highborne would show), but they would have that deep wilds feel, Kalimdor is there home.
The Broken Isles Shal'dorei
2. The second group is dominated by the nightborne is basically based on the pre-sundering era of the night elves modernised. So the Nightborne led night elf group sees the 7.0 Thalyssra return properly, she had her suspicions about Sylvanas and the horde, but stayed for the sake of the blood elves. The broken isle night elves are an alliance of people dominated by the Nightborne . They have druids of Val'sharah led by Valewalker Farodin helping them, Priests too from the Temple of Elune and new nightborne acolytes training in the restored Cathedral of Eternal night. They are repairing Azsuna and many of the night elf ruins in Suramar. The moonguard now train both nightborne and night elves in arcane combat, the Duskguard become an elite unit specifically for the nightborne high council and the city of Suramar, but they are a wing of the Moonguard which is where they originally developed.


Cross Nation Orders
One thing about the night elven nations is that they are not totally separate entities, like the human nations of Loradaron there are institutions that are shared across all of them, but just the emphasis in each is different.



Conclusions
It is basically 2 different locations focusing heavily on 2 different aspects of the night elves. While the second group is the nightborne group, there are a lot of night elves involved with that, and while you can play your night elf in that nation, the proper route would be to role a nightborne. So the night elves of this group are kinda like how the high elves are now.

This allows the nightborne identity to remain distinctly of the night elven era it is based on, rather than being some second rate blood elf side kick, hence the much stronger emphasized kaldorei roots in the other groups playing a role.

The contrast in the two is pre-sundering and long vigil thrust into a new age, where the Kalimdor lot a closer to the long vigil character, and the Broken Isles are a modified continuation of the Pre-sundering era.

other considerations could have Demon hunters available to the nightborne selection screen but as Illidari, as you have Illidari with the kaldorei in Desolace as well as on the broken isles on the broken shore with training colonies in the former legion invasion areas.

I think night elf fans would like this very much. There does seem to be a mix between them, some wanna embrace more of the dark elf caster side with arcane magic amongst the other htings, while others want more dominant forest elf side, closer to WC3.

It's an excellent suggestion to be honest, and one made possible if we're all just one faction. You get the xenophobic reclusive ones in kalimdor, and then hte more progress driven pre-sundering mindset ones on the broken isles.

If you play nightborne you're obviously part of the broken isle group, but if you play a night elf, you can choose either community based on what you like more.

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So, basically you want to give everything cool and desireable about the Night Elves to this "new" group (which happens to be horde flavored right now) and leave all of the stuff that most people don't like about Night Elves with the old, Alliance-flavored group to rot and you no longer have to look at them?

My biggest gripes with your "division":
1) Nightborne get druids. No, just no. Val'shara is Circle of Cenarius, which belongs to Malfurion. You want two Night Elven nations? Fine. But only one of them has druids and it is the side Malfurion choses.
2) Wardens. This one is even worse. Maiev would NEVER join the side that supported the Babykillers. Just no. It is plain to see which side she supports in Darkshore. She is obviously very impressed with Tyrande becoming so much like herself in WC3 (added note: It was really stupid of Blizzard to make Tyrande the Night Warrior with Maiev available....they even said in an Interview that there was internal debate over Maiev vs Tyrande....i don't know how they could come up with this decision...but Maiev was ALWAYS Vengeance Incarnate. Half of her abilities have "Vengeance" in the name....as a former High Priestess she would have been PERFECT as the Night Warrior....but whatever, i guess....Night Elven lore development is not really a priority for Blizzard)

You basically want to build a second Nelf-Faction that is like the best-of-all. A little reminder: The old imperial Night Elves looked down on both priests AND druids because they belived Arcane mastery to be vastly superior and everybody who choses another path a savage.

You want a Night Elven nation dominated by Suramar and closer to the old Empire? Fine. Then it has to be dominated by MAGES. No druids, no priests. They can have paladins from the Belves, though, i think that could blend in somewhat well. But definetly not Elune themed. They would have to be either Light-themed or Arcane-themed, so closer to Spellbreakers than actual paladins.

I disagree somewhat, I don't think they should make one kingdom exclusivvely arcane and the other exclusively nature. It doesn't flow organically from the current progress made and shown in the various night elven groups, and I think it would be less realistic. But most of all I don't think the fans would like it as much.

Both having a mixture is fine, just that one has a lot more arcane emphasis driven by the nightborne, and the other a lot more nature empahsis as it's driven b y the long vigil group.

I like hte idea of one lot being reculsive and untrusting, and the ohter lot being more open and embracing, forward thrust.

In which case the night elf group that is friendly with Thalassians would be the Broken Isle one, and it is those night elves and nightborne you will see in places like Dalaran often involved in world affairs and influencing it when i tcomes to magic.

The other group you would see a lot when you get to kalimdor, as they have a much larger area, There world involvement woudl be most visible via the Cenarion circle, like the alliance night elves have been portrayed. Since the Cenarion circle is a northern klaimdor organisation or world druids, when nature stuff neds dealing with world wide, they would be your candidates, the borken isle druids would be seen mostly when you are in the area, as the global identity of that night elf gorup is more arcnae based and fel, even though they have priests and druids.


It's clever. I'll give it that.

[ravenmoon]

@EnigmAddict - it's better than developing the nightborne as the dark elf then consingning the night elf to the forest elf - breaking their own unique lore and making htem just like every other fantasy game out there. What makes night elves unique is that they have this unique forest and dark elf combination - and it's okay if their 2 main eras were heavily focused on one than the other, it should never be the case that the nightborne are presented as a completely new race of elves taking up the dark elf mantle and thus killing the original night elf concept.

This approach is far better, because in it, nightborne and nighte lves are still connected to their kaldorei heritage, but just have differnet emphasis.

ANd I agree it is more realistic... those fantasies that presume to have a group or race of people that are completely one thing despite living in a setting of great diversity is unrealistic.. it's even worse in the case of the night elves where they have been given a world empire and a lore that is oroted I the arcane, nature and elune - you jus tdon't then go and cut off the arcane side when your lore has them made from it and having 15000 years of it. It's more reasonable to cut off the nightborne from their nature and elune side because of their 10k years of isolation, however their 7.0 story had nature save them, durids working witht hem, a tree being their cure and ofc we saw arcane nature users in the Nighthold. To just cut them out to present them as arcane only doesn't fit and doesn't make htem a more whole society.

The best approach is to have goth groups have a bit of both, just like becoming void elf never made the void lef lose many of their core thalassian heritage, traits or dispoistions, why should being nightborne have them lose their kaldorei roots? it makes no sense anymore than being a night elf should all of a sudden make the arcane they are made form completely absent in their presentation -which it wasn't in wc3, seeing that the Well of Eternitya nd Moonwells were very much a part of that story, and their priests were calling down stars of aracne energy, and their druids in wow had arcane damaging abilities that show the heavy arcane influence even in a society where magecraft was banned for 10 ky ears.


What could be interesting is in the Kalimdro night elf group , actually magecraft is relatively confined to the new capital and the highborne group, so its there, but we just ee more of it present in the druids and priests, and not see much mage activity frfom them except when we need to show they have good magecraft users whoare quite talented and can hold hteir own.


just like you suggested that the Broken isle group predominantly shows it's arcane rpowress globally, but it will also have it's drudis and preists who are just as talented as the Kalimdor group ones, just slightly varied by having stronger arcne influence.. we know theris aare as good because it's the same Malfurion led order and Tyrande led elune order that trained the Broken Isle ones, just like it is the same night elven ancestory and magical heritage and expertise you see in the nightborne and moonguard of the broken isles that the shend'ralar and the new darnassian highborne order are made after.

So you don't need to show exploits of the Kalimdor night elven highborne, because you see the Suramar ones in action and you know by lore tha thtey are a ta a similar level, I

It helps characterise and distinguishes the groups without necessarily nerfing one over the other. Sure the Broken isle group are going to be more accomplished at arcane magic, but that's cos they have large numbers and more resources plugged into it, they aren't necessaril more knowledgeable or more talented, they just do much more with it. Likewise the Kalimdor group drudis and priests and forest rangeers aren't more talented or knowledgeable than their broken isles coutnerparts, they just have more numbers and therefore more areas of expertise andcan achieve more in those areas and fields. And their emphasis are different. Like the OP mentions, the Broken Isle priests for example would be more of the caster legacy of the order of elune, and that is more magical, arcane/void/light wielding versus the Kalidmro branch that is more feral - forest rangers/snetinels and huntress with some healing magic.


This is how you distinguish them.

I would imagine that the broken isles would have many more cities and structures, repairing most of the ruins, whereas the Kalimdor lot might simply have just the one city repaired, and a temple or 2 here and there, but largely restored forest land, with the ruins pretty much left as is. Till one day their numbers replenish and they actually need the space, they can rebuild ..but htat won't be in the current wow's timeline, but many 100s if not 1000s years in their future.

[Beloren]

I don't think it's really complicated, the story writes itself, you have two separate night elven locations.. North western kalimdor and the Broken Isles. it's perfect to have two night elven nations.

If you look at how the broken isles is written, the denizens are kaldorei empire, sundering night elves - Farondis court, Suramar, Moonguard Stronghold, Cathedral of Eternal night, and the first Druids in Val'sharah - these are all kaldorei iconic lands from before the sundering and the people there are all of that era and that age. So that is easily one nation with it's several groups and orders


Then North western kalimdor is the area the night elves moved to after the sundering, and lived on nature devleoping a culture without hte use of arcane magic like thier pre-sundeirng era. Even though arcane magic has returned, they aredominated by that era, Ashenvale/Hyjal/Feralas are more home to them than suramar/Val'sharah /Azsuna even though alot of them were born there, they've just spent most of the last 10k years there.

[ravenmoon]

I don't think it's really complicated, the story writes itself, you have two separate night elven locations.. North western kalimdor and the Broken Isles. it's perfect to have two night elven nations.

If you look at how the broken isles is written, the denizens are kaldorei empire, sundering night elves - Farondis court, Suramar, Moonguard Stronghold, Cathedral of Eternal night, and the first Druids in Val'sharah - these are all kaldorei iconic lands from before the sundering and the people there are all of that era and that age. So that is easily one nation with it's several groups and orders


Then North western kalimdor is the area the night elves moved to after the sundering, and lived on nature devleoping a culture without hte use of arcane magic like thier pre-sundeirng era. Even though arcane magic has returned, they aredominated by that era, Ashenvale/Hyjal/Feralas are more home to them than suramar/Val'sharah /Azsuna even though alot of them were born there, they've just spent most of the last 10k years there.

Broken Isle nightborne/night elves is the nation friendly with blood elves and Thalassians, Kalimdor night elves don't care about them either.