Say you're living in a failed state

[Independent voter]

You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?

[Ghostpanther]

You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?

Not at all. And it is what should be done to stop such. Marshall law can be the correct solution in some cases.

[Independent voter]

Most often if your country is in a state like that then the governments willing to send those marines in to 'stabilize' your country were the same governments that had a hand in your destabilization all along.

Venezuela used to be filthy rich. The socialists ran the country into the ground.

[Machismo]

Venezuela used to be filthy rich. The socialists ran the country into the ground.

Then, why do you constantly push national socialism, if you know what the results will be?

[Ghostpanther]

Venezuela used to be filthy rich. The socialists ran the country into the ground.

This is for sure.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Considering the precise context you mentioned no. But then again how would it matter, if you are already living in hell, what difference does it make who the new devil is?

I would suppose if in the scenario you placed there were something worse or more to give up, but at this point at the breaking point, no it right likely doesn't matter except for the gamble the new devil "might" Not be a devil at all, say maybe like the Roman Empire or something. However even that is kind of fiction in the short term.

[s_bushido]

Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?

Right, because that's totally how that works.

[Independent voter]

Right, because that's totally how that works.

Operation Uphold Democracy (19 September 1994 – 31 March 1995) was a military intervention designed to remove the military regime installed by the 1991 Haitian coup d'état that overthrew the elected President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The operation was effectively authorized by the 31 July 1994 United Nations Security Council Resolution 940.

19 September 1994 – 31 March 1995
(6 months, 1 week and 5 days)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...hold_Democracy

[Flarelaine]

Operation Uphold Democracy (19 September 1994 – 31 March 1995) was a military intervention designed to remove the military regime installed by the 1991 Haitian coup d'état that overthrew the elected President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The operation was effectively authorized by the 31 July 1994 United Nations Security Council Resolution 940.

19 September 1994 – 31 March 1995
(6 months, 1 week and 5 days)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...hold_Democracy

I'm really not certain Haiti is any better off these days.

[Independent voter]

All those sanctions certainly haven't help, but just ignore those inconvenient truths that there is still no good reason for them to even be in place.

Sanctions are better than invading right?

The sanctions that I found are directed at the regime.

[Cizr]

You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?

Absolutely not.

[Saucexorzski]

Oh it works as long as the force used to impose stability stays. Once that force is gone it will revert back.

[Pannonian]

Who decides this?

Imagine: i think it would be a good idea to "liberate" and stabilize a country where people don't get treated for medical emergencies, people are put into concentration camps, people are being punished differently because of their race, mob rule and domestic terrorist on the streets, and to top it off the president is an unhinged racist lunatic.

Now i could argue to "stabilize the country" - maybe you disagree with my idea to occupy Washington?

A very simple rule to life by: If you have an idea, think about how you would feel if you'd be on the receiving end.

[Flarelaine]

The last "needed intervention" was probably the Bosnian War, because things were getting to a genocidal level on both sides. Of course, even that had huge problems with its implementation and outcome.

The biggest problem with implementation was that Serbs were allowed to kill entire towns before someone found the balls to put boots on the ground. And blue-helmeted pussies who watched the fucking genocide take place do not count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

[Independent voter]

US sanctions directed at Venezuela target President Nicolás Maduro and his circle of elite government officials in an attempt to control their access to financial assistance from US citizens and companies. In 2015, The Obama administration issued sanctions against Maduro’s administration on the grounds of human rights violations, and they continue under current US President Donald Trump to this day.

On Monday, the US government imposed fresh sanctions against Venezuela's national oil firm, Petroleos De Venezuela SA — PDVSA. The penalties aim to freeze exchanges and block imports.

Venezuela’s power crisis exploded on Jan. 23 when opposition leader Juan Guaidó invoked a constitutional right to take presidential powers and call for new elections. Maduro’s 2018 election victory was deemed illegitimate by numerous nations in Latin America, Europe as well as Canada, who recognize Guaidó’s legitimacy instead. The international community rushed to take sides, some calling Guaidó’s move a coup while others referred to it as a “self-declaration.”

While “Chavismo” (socialist) elites were hit with a variety of sanctions over the last three years, they’ve done little to make an impact on ordinary Venezuelans, whose lives have spiraled into a humanitarian crisis as hyperinflation has driven nearly 3 million to flee.

“The sanctions have nothing to do with hyperinflation (projected to reach a 10 million percent this year), with the fall in oil production, or the food and medicine shortage that has generated a humanitarian and a migrant crisis. The only person responsible for that is Nicolás Maduro,” Smolansky adds.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-01-...s-time-its-oil



General Chavez, the guy who founded the socialist regime, his daughter is worth $3 billion dollars. That could buy a lot of medicine. Why isn't she buying medicine? How about all the corrupt generals with their billions, why aren't they buying medicine?

Again, sanctions are the last step before invading.

[mojojojo202]

You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?

Depends what you mean by 'stabilise'.

In the context of the US marines that almost always means preparing the country in question to be exploited by US based private companies.

[Z-Man]

You're hungry all the time. The water system has failed so you have to get your water out of the river and it needs to be boiled, but there's no electricity or gas so you use a wood fire. The police no longer function so you get robbed and your women get raped. Run away inflation has made your money worthless. Millions of your countrymen have fled the country and are now refugees in neighboring countries. If you try to protest, pro-regime thugs beat and kill you.

Would you mind terribly if someone were to send in the marines and stabilize your country for a few months?

If you don't like living in Florida, just move.

[Independent voter]

Remind me again why we are invading a sovereign country?


Their oil is their biggest export, their oil is what is used to help their poorest citizens. The US wants to invade because of its OIL. They don't' give a damn about the people.

Are you serious? America is the number one producer of oil in the world, beating out Saudi Arabia and Russia. Why would we invade over oil?

[Pannonian]

Are you serious? America is the number one producer of oil in the world, beating out Saudi Arabia and Russia. Why would we invade over oil?

Well, maybe because you did in the past?

[Independent voter]

Well, maybe because you did in the past?

I think that's a myth.

Invading costs huge amounts of money. If you were to take that money and bought oil with it, you'd have oil for decades.