Americans say debate has grown more toxic an ‘heated’ rhetoric could lead to violence

[Lorgar Aurelian]

People in the video ate left wing propaganda.

People who believe that Obama was weak and was not deporting people are eating right wing propaganda.

Yes but we’re not talking about the people in the video we’re talking about the leftist posters on mmoc as you said the video is just like them.

But if you go to any thread on immigration said leftist posters know Obama had a hard stance.

So again who is taking in propaganda the leftist posters you referenced who I don’t seem to exist or the people who think Obama’s stance was some sort of secret.

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The video of Newt Gingrich talking about feels over reals?

The fox video asking about Obama’s immigration stance, ghostpanther posted it.

[Felya]

The fox video asking about Obama’s immigration stance, ghostpanther posted it.

But, why wouldn’t they be surprised, when the right keeps saying he wanted open borders? MSM, which Trump claims shouldn’t be trusted, dubbed Obama “deporter in Chief”. No one argues Obama was for open immigration, other than republicans. It’s like showing a video of college students being surprised that Obama wasn’t socialist or communist or that there were no FEMA concentration camps.

Edit: ... or the many videos of people loving ACA, but hating Obamacare. Republicans can’t be surprised that their rhetoric works and then blame random people for believing them.

[Edge-]

Lol, NPR is pretty left wing.

Reuters and Associated press are two mostly unbiased news sources.

No, they're not. Give them a listen, they make it a point to be neutral in interviews and during their shows.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But, why wouldn’t they be surprised, when the right keeps saying he wanted open borders? MSM, which Trump claims shouldn’t be trusted, dubbed Obama “deporter in Chief”. No one argues Obama was for open immigration, other than republicans. It’s like showing a video of college students being surprised that Obama wasn’t socialist or communist or that there were no FEMA concentration camps.

Edit: ... or the many videos of people loving ACA, but hating Obamacare. Republicans can’t be surprised that their rhetoric works and then blame random people for believing them.

I couldn’t say which is why I’m trying too figure out which batch of propaganda is cizr is going on about.

[Independent voter]

No, they're not. Give them a listen, they make it a point to be neutral in interviews and during their shows.

I'm listening to them right now.

[Dextroden]

It'll get worse. But who gives a fuck? People seem totally fine with violence.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It'll get worse. But who gives a fuck? People seem totally fine with violence.

Ah your unbanned welcome back.

[Dextroden]

Ah your unbanned welcome back.

Hello there. Do you disagree when idiots on both sides want to throw hands and then run to the police for help like cowards?

[Cthulhu 2020]

The debate tactics of the right has always been toxic. It can hardly even be called debate really, but it has grown even more toxic as of late. Debate involves civil discussion of an issue, using well sourced materials, logic, and reason. The right employs dog whistles, strawmen, and every other logical fallacy in the books. https://www.informationisbeautiful.n...cal-fallacies/

While the left is not always paragons of debate, the right, constantly using insults and terms like "communist" and "socialist" to wholly dismiss any point, has goaded the left into doing much of the same. Dismissing someone as a nazi outright without cause to do so is not right, and yet we have so many people these days who are openly fascistic and express views of wishing to rid the US of minorities and Jews. Calling someone a nazi, when they wave a nazi flag, and march in rallies chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "Blood and soil" is assuredly a nazi.

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Hello there. Do you disagree when idiots on both sides want to throw hands and then run to the police for help like cowards?

Gotta love all those protests where the fascist side throws the first punch, retreats, and cries "ANTIFA IS SO VIOLENT, THEY'S TERRORISTS" when the other side fights back.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Hello there. Do you disagree when idiots on both sides want to throw hands and then run to the police for help like cowards?

I’m not quite sure what that means actually.

[Dextroden]

I’m not quite sure what that means actually.

Both sides of protestors in the street seem all fine with a punch up until they get hit.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Both sides of protestors in the street seem all fine with a punch up until they get hit.

Ah, as some one who abhors violence I’d say pretty much any street side punch out is best avoided.

[Ghostpanther]

Hm, that's convenient.

Criminals calling their own crimes a "conspiracy theory".

More criminals should try that.

I am not a criminal.

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I get most of my news from non american sources. My judgement about the POTUS comes from direct video feeds of the man talking. Who he choses to defend, who he choses to attack, and what his actions tell.

That's cool.

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Funny thing that one. Democrats don't really talk much about it, while to Republicans, even the President himself, it has become Schrödinger's immigration policy. Somehow, Obama is both used as a gotcha (he deported so many! He built the camps!), while also being famously "weak" on immigration. That's what gets me, as an outsider to the system - I just want politicians to be at least internally consistent in their views, if they can't be bothered to be truthful.

That is a good point.

[Dextroden]

Ah, as some one who abhors violence I’d say pretty much any street side punch out is best avoided.

I just wish the idiots that want to do it didn't complain when they get beat or arrested.

[Howel]

No shit, you can't even come to the conclusion that even though the other side is in power, it doesn't exactly mean the end of the world. Nor can those in power even move an inch to the notion that something bad is going on.

Y'all crazy!

[Independent voter]

If you need a pretty good news roundup, this NPR show is pretty good

https://the1a.org/audio/#/shows/2019.../118349/@00:00

But the panel is made up of New York Times, Washington Post, etc, reporters. It's left wing but they try to be unbiased.

[Bodonius]

I do think people saying trump is retarded, is very rude and need to use another word.

[Ghostpanther]

I listen to BBC on NPR on my drive home every day. They are not remotely Trump friendly. BBC definitely leans left.

I watch NHK late night for Asian news. You can sense amusement mixed with dread when they talk about Trump.

Ok. I remember a poll which was done and the number one most trusted news network, was BBC. Fox was second. I do not listen to BBC, so I was not aware of how bias they are or if they are. Would have to listen to it for a while and then judge.

[Yoshingo]

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?

Of course he doesn't.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Ok. I remember a poll which was done and the number one most trusted news network, was BBC. Fox was second. I do not listen to BBC, so I was not aware of how bias they are or if they are. Would have to listen to it for a while and then judge.

BBC depends on your frame of reference. In context they are typically neutral but to a lot of Americans they view as left-leaning because western Europe in general sits left of the US.