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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    A boring one dimensional character who isn't actually all that important in the story despite being constantly shoved into it.


    Who did I describe?
    Every human character that's forced into being the lead character in another race's story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Sargeras. He was the only one trying to stop BFA from happening.
    And he was offscreen for the entirety for WoW save for like five seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Every human character that's forced into being the lead character in another race's story.
    Love the responses

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    Genn Greymane: We're werewolves, not swear wolves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Anduin Wrynn: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
    Arthas: Complexity Addiction
    Jaina Proudmoore: Yoyo Plot Point
    Illidan: Byronic Hero
    Thrall: Messianic Archetype
    Sylvanas Windrunner: God Save Us from the Queen
    Queen Talanji: Silk Hiding Steel
    Tyrande Whisperwind: Lady of War
    Gelbin Mekkatorque: Gadgeteer Genius
    Genn Greymane: Our Werewolves Are Different
    Baine Bloodhoof: The Unchosen One
    Lor'themar Theron: Guile Hero
    Complete with freakin links to their tropes! Aucald wins this one.
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    "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never....BURN IT"
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    You are kinda joe Roganing this topic. Hardly have any actual knowledge other than what people have told you, and jumping into a discussion with people who have direct experience with it. Don't be Joe Rogan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Anduin Wrynn: Mary Sue.
    Arthas: little whiny, spoiled brat who bit more than he could chew with the last toy he found.
    Jaina Proudmoore: deus ex machina, Frost spec.
    Illidan: emo teen.
    Thrall: self-appointed biblical prophet, to the point of settling his people in a !@#$ing desert, so that innocent newborn still have to penance for their demon-possessed ancestors' misdeeds.
    Sylvanas Windrunner: Grand Master of 5D chess who has been betrayed more than all the rest of the cast put together.
    Queen Talanji: generic action girl.
    Tyrande Whisperwind: proud, badass, xenophobic, 10k years old leader who lets two sub-50 humans to lecture her about politics, military tactics and self control.
    Gelbin Mekkatorque: frozen joke.
    Genn Greymane: castrated wolf.
    Baine Bloodhoof: overly tall, emotionally insecure teen cosplaying as furry.
    Lor'themar Theron: cool guy who eventually couldn't help getting infected with humanpotential-itis.
    Now that was fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Anduin Wrynn: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
    Arthas: Complexity Addiction
    Jaina Proudmoore: Yoyo Plot Point
    Illidan: Byronic Hero
    Thrall: Messianic Archetype
    Sylvanas Windrunner: God Save Us from the Queen
    Queen Talanji: Silk Hiding Steel
    Tyrande Whisperwind: Lady of War
    Gelbin Mekkatorque: Gadgeteer Genius
    Genn Greymane: Our Werewolves Are Different
    Baine Bloodhoof: The Unchosen One
    Lor'themar Theron: Guile Hero
    I salute you, sir/ma'am. Well played! /clap
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    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    And he was offscreen for the entirety for WoW save for like five seconds.

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    Love the responses
    Hey, let's be honest here, despite his 5 seconds of actual screen time, he made one of the greatest, if not, the greatest impact in the game. He was also the closest to winning in Warcraft history.

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    Sargeras: When you create an entire, Demonic, immortal, infinite sized empire just so you could stop BFA from happening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Hey, let's be honest here, despite his 5 seconds of actual screen time, he made one of the greatest, if not, the greatest impact in the game. He was also the closest to winning in Warcraft history.

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    Sargeras: When you create an entire, Demonic, immortal, infinite sized empire just so you could stop BFA from happening...
    Ironic that instead he made it happen. No Sargeras=No azerite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Ironic that instead he made it happen. No Sargeras=No azerite
    No Players= No stopping Sargeras.

    So, no. We caused BFA. Not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Ironic that instead he made it happen. No Sargeras=No azerite
    Azerite didn't start BfA, though; Sylvanas' capitalizing on the state of things post-Legion did. If Sargeras never stabbed Azeroth we'd probably still have the same basic story, minus the Azerite MacGuffin and accompanying weapons.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Azerite didn't start BfA, though; Sylvanas' capitalizing on the state of things post-Legion did. If Sargeras never stabbed Azeroth we'd probably still have the same basic story, minus the Azerite MacGuffin and accompanying weapons.
    A fair point. Still it was used as an excuse and a story hook. It was promptly forgotten to show how bad the story is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    A fair point. Still it was used as an excuse and a story hook. It was promptly forgotten to show how bad the story is.
    Not really forgotten, per se; but definitely not anywhere near as important as seemingly advertised either. Almost all of the plot points and major story beats of BfA involve Azerite to some degree, but I can't think of any where it really takes a paramount place of importance.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Not really forgotten, per se; but definitely not anywhere near as important as seemingly advertised either. Almost all of the plot points and major story beats of BfA involve Azerite to some degree, but I can't think of any where it really takes a paramount place of importance.
    I can't think of anything that takes a paramount place of importance in BfA. They tried so hard to make an expansion about everything that it ended up being about nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I can't think of anything that takes a paramount place of importance in BfA. They tried so hard to make an expansion about everything that it ended up being about nothing.
    Depends on the chapter or patch number, as it were. 8.0.1 basically focuses on the threat of G'huun and various Old God related goings-on (Blood Trolls, Corrupted Tidesages, etc. etc.) 8.1.0 to 8.1.5 is focused on the Battle of Dazar'alor and its denouement, basically focused on the faction war's activities. 8.2.0 to 8.2.5 is focused on Azshara and presumably N'Zoth's plans following the Eternal Palace raid. Azerite and Magni have basically been B or C-plot material in every part of BfA's greater movements so far, although the Heart of Azeroth does have a pretty significant role to play in 8.2.0 (as it is used directly to open N'Zoth's prison and release him).
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Depends on the chapter or patch number, as it were. 8.0.1 basically focuses on the threat of G'huun and various Old God related goings-on (Blood Trolls, Corrupted Tidesages, etc. etc.) 8.1.0 to 8.1.5 is focused on the Battle of Dazar'alor and its denouement, basically focused on the faction war's activities. 8.2.0 to 8.2.5 is focused on Azshara and presumably N'Zoth's plans following the Eternal Palace raid. Azerite and Magni have basically been B or C-plot material in every part of BfA's greater movements so far, although the Heart of Azeroth does have a pretty significant role to play in 8.2.0 (as it is used directly to open N'Zoth's prison and release him).
    Exactly. Everything is a B plot or a footnote or an episode.

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    Anduin Wrynn: Incompetent boy king.
    Arthas: Cool incompetent man-boy king.
    Jaina Proudmoore: Will never be as good a mage as Khadgar due to emotional baggage and worrying about everyone else's affairs.
    Illidan: Conniving, self entitled little shit with horns, but still cooler than his brother.
    Thrall: Green Anduin.
    Sylvanas Windrunner: WoW's sex icon turned typical badly written villain.
    Queen Talanji: Black Panther's little sister.
    Tyrande Whisperwind: BITCH MUST DIE!!!
    Gelbin Mekkatorque: Not as cool as Gallywix but still ok.
    Genn Greymane: Proud but not too proud to be subservient to Anduin.
    Baine Bloodhoof: Pussy-steak.
    Lor'themar Theron: The Matthew McConaughey of WoW. He's Blizzard's Legolas. He knows he's not as good as Kael'thas, and subtly admits it so, but is still annoying because he isn't Kael'thas.

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    Neeloc Greedyfingers: deserves to have an NPC ingame.



    Sigh.

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    @Kyphael poor Bob, him being the ruler of Quel'thalas instead of badass Kael can be annoying, but still he isn't half as obnoxious as that blonde !@#& Legolas.
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Anduin Wrynn: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
    Arthas: Complexity Addiction
    Jaina Proudmoore: Yoyo Plot Point
    Illidan: Byronic Hero
    Thrall: Messianic Archetype
    Sylvanas Windrunner: God Save Us from the Queen
    Queen Talanji: Silk Hiding Steel
    Tyrande Whisperwind: Lady of War
    Gelbin Mekkatorque: Gadgeteer Genius
    Genn Greymane: Our Werewolves Are Different
    Baine Bloodhoof: The Unchosen One
    Lor'themar Theron: Guile Hero
    0/10.

    I SPECIFICALLY said to NOT describe them by their role.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Way back in 2012, Red Letter Media produced a critique of Star Wars Episode I. One of the interesting questions raised there I will ask with regards to WoW.

    Describe WoW characters without saying what they look like, what costume they wore, their profession, nor what their role is. Describe this character to your friends like they ain't never played WoW or Warcraft.
    TO FIX WOW:1. smaller server sizes & server-only LFG awarding satchels, so elite players help others. 2. "helper builds" with loom powers - talent trees so elite players cast buffs on low level players XP gain, HP/mana, regen, damage, etc. 3. "helper ilvl" scoring how much you help others. 4. observer games like in SC to watch/chat (like twitch but with MORE DETAILS & inside the wow UI) 5. guild leagues to compete with rival guilds for progression (with observer mode).6. jackpot world mobs.

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    Arthas: Lord Soth and Elric of melnibone after a fusion dance

    Anduin: Talking Cardboard box #1

    Jaina: Crazy cat lady with anime powers and pet character

    Talanji: Bae

    Baine: Talking Cardboard box #2

    Aditional ones

    Rokhan: Hawkeye of warcraft(badass that needs more screentime)

    Bwonsamdi: A more serious and funny Ryuk(has potential to be more than that)
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    No, she is my waifu. Stop posting and delete this thread immediately.
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    Voted Baine because... Well, Baine. Total nonsensical character, looks like World War II Italy, nobody really understands what role he's supposed to fill, not even himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    0/10.

    I SPECIFICALLY said to NOT describe them by their role.
    Those aren't roles, they're tropes - they describe what kind of character it is or their overarching theme, not necessarily what they do in the given story.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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