The Brexit aftermath thread

[kaid]

The big question for the cons is if they can't avoid an extension and they can't crash out on schedule how bad does the brexit party explode to split their membership. Right now the leave faction is more or less under the conservative banner but if it fails yet again to accomplish that the brexit party could wind up eating a lot of it's support.

[Breccia]

it is also important to remember that Scottish law and English law, although similar, are not the same

No no, I get that. I'm mostly asking, we've seen Scotland and Brexit at odds before. Is this a further sign they'll grab their kilts and flee to the EU?

[Pann]

The big question for the cons is if they can't avoid an extension and they can't crash out on schedule how bad does the brexit party explode to split their membership. Right now the leave faction is more or less under the conservative banner but if it fails yet again to accomplish that the brexit party could wind up eating a lot of it's support.

It will depend on whether or not Johnson can convince them that he is doing everything in his power to deliver Brexit but is being held back the remain leaning establishment.

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No no, I get that. I'm mostly asking, we've seen Scotland and Brexit at odds before. Is this a further sign they'll grab their kilts and flee to the EU?

No. This is a Scottish Court ruling based on Scottish law and is politically neutral. Also don't forget that today's ruling was an appeal which overturned the earlier ruling that Johnson had not broken the law.

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Some balance to the poll I linked earlier;

'Tonight's @ComRes poll for @Telegraph wd leave Tories 32 seats short of majority - Con 294, Lab 260, LD 38, SNP 36, Brex 0, PC 3, Grn 1'

https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/st...30045896019974

Frit! Nothing is straight forward with British politics.

[Mayhem]

Coming back to this, it has a lot to do with it. In spite of the overrepresentation to prevent it, since MPs are supposed to represent their constituencies; a lot of the higher ranked party members come from the same schools and universities as each other and develop the same London-centric view of the UK. That view is self reinforcing and it becomes self fulfilling.

It’s not just Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales that suffer. It’s exactly why the rest of the UK resents London and feels abandoned; and why those self same people enforcing London-centrism have spent 30 years blaming the EU for it.

Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham haven’t failed to notice the billions ploughed into them from the European Regional Development Scheme however, nor have Northern Ireland and Scotland; and that’s why they voted Remain. Sadly other parts of the UK haven’t benefited quite as much or as obviously.

I am talking about veto powers not representation.

[Kallisto]

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Slightly worrying for people of the non-leave persuasion.

'General Election Nowcast:

CON: 326 (+9), 32.1% (-11.4)
LAB: 211 (-51), 25.6% (-15.4)
SNP: 51 (+16), 3.6% (+0.5)
LDM: 39 (+27), 18.1% (+10.5)

CON Majority of 10.

See graphics for full results.
Changes w/ GE2017.'


https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...39696589340673

I wonder what affect today's ruling will have?

Damn if that doesn't make the case for destruction of FPTP then I don't know what does and if LD and others pick up on this when they come back they need to pounce on it whenever Bojo tries to call it will of the people.

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Although I do wonder if a this reply might hurt Johnson in the courts in regards to how parliament was shut down.

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/s...11282044649472

Pretty much admitting it was because of Brexit in the reply to the petition.

[Northern Goblin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49665789

Well we can put that hypothetical alliance to bed. Conservatives determined to go it alone at the next election.

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Also, dunno if this gem of an admission was posted but: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ts-will-not-be

Leadsom says they won't publish yellowhammer, as it might scare people. Then compares it to her being run over.

I know one of those two scenarios wouldn't scare me at all.

[Slant]

Yes, I've seen that interview with Leadsom. She's quite unlikeable, isn't she?

[Northern Goblin]

Yes, I've seen that interview with Leadsom. She's quite unlikeable, isn't she?

And yet still she isn't the worst person on the Conservative benches.

[Kallisto]

Yes, I've seen that interview with Leadsom. She's quite unlikeable, isn't she?

But didn't you know she pushed out a child. That makes her smarter than every single one of us!

[draykorinee]

We have to remember that a poll on who they vote for is not a poll on leave/remain. However that will not stop Bojo using it to force a no deal through.

[Kallisto]

We have to remember that a poll on who they vote for is not a poll on leave/remain. However that will not stop Bojo using it to force a no deal through.

Fact is Bojo is going to use "My 32% of the vote giving 50%+ of parliament is undeniable proof the majority of the country love me and my way." approach if the poll posted by Pan would be the one that was right.

[Zaydin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49665789

Well we can put that hypothetical alliance to bed. Conservatives determined to go it alone at the next election.

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Also, dunno if this gem of an admission was posted but: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ts-will-not-be

Leadsom says they won't publish yellowhammer, as it might scare people. Then compares it to her being run over.

I know one of those two scenarios wouldn't scare me at all.

Refusing to release these documents seems to be a tacit admission that the effects of a No Deal Brexit would be far more catastrophic for the UK than the Brexiteers are trying to insist it won't be.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Slightly worrying for people of the non-leave persuasion.

[I]'General Election Nowcast:

CON: 326 (+9), 32.1% (-11.4)
LAB: 211 (-51), 25.6% (-15.4)
SNP: 51 (+16), 3.6% (+0.5)
LDM: 39 (+27), 18.1% (+10.5)

CON Majority of 10.

A projected Conservative majority on the back of not even a third of the vote. There's your will of the fucking people.

The sooner that FPTP is killed off, the sooner we will get to the point where we can have closer to grown up politics. What we have at the moment is farcical.

[Kallisto]

A projected Conservative majority on the back of not even a third of the vote. There's your will of the fucking people.

The sooner that FPTP is killed off, the sooner we will get to the point where we can have closer to grown up politics. What we have at the moment is farcical.

Insert spin on public rejected change when in reality the public saw through the shitty FPTP and FPTP+ offer that was given and many boycotted out of disgust.

[Xarkan]

The sooner that FPTP is killed off, the sooner we will get to the point where we can have closer to grown up politics. What we have at the moment is farcical.

Wouldnt those same people who get more than 50% of the seats with less than a third of the votes have to support such a change for it to happen?

[draykorinee]

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/sta...344178689?s=20

Nigel Farage is the Brexit Icarus. Here's how he can see us fly out of the EU to freedom

Someone needs to tell the Torygraph the story of Icarus....It is a vert apt analogy though.

[Elegiac]

Yes, I've seen that interview with Leadsom. She's quite unlikeable, isn't she?

They call her Andrea "As A Mother" Leadsom for a reason.

[Northern Goblin]

They call her Andrea "As A Mother" Leadsom for a reason.

Every time she says that I'm reminded of the Bill Bailey joke about how it's a euphemism for "talking out of my arse."

[Elegiac]

Every time she says that I'm reminded of the Bill Bailey joke about how it's a euphemism for "talking out of my arse."

Given her obsession with announcing her motherhood she's certainly talking out of something, alright.

[Pann]

Yellowhammer is out!

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ptions_CDL.pdf