ICE detained a veteran they knew was a US citizen

[Thestrawman]

Your link is behind a paywall. But it sounds like they screwed up. However, we do not disband authority agencies because they screw up. I would need to know more information to make more of a judgement in this case.

I think illegally holding a US citizen against their will is a little bit more then a screw up. We are clearly in an oopsy-daisy territory.

[D Luniz]

List of Trump's direct offenses to the military:

- Insult all POWs for being POWs
- Insulted a gold star family
- Questions the intentions and service of a lifetime service member and purple heart winner
- Forced soldiers to abandon their on the ground allies
- Wouldn't walk in the rain to honor fallen WWII veterans
- Tried to deport a veteran because he was hispanic

At this point, any US military service member that defends ro supports Trump is doing so because they joined the Trump cult.

Left off the "lied about raising money for veterans charity"

[Endus]

Despite being presented almost immediately with proof that Marine veteran Jilar Ramos-Gomez was a US citizen, having had a passport on his person when he was first arrested, ICE detained him anyways and was prepared to deport him. As a result of his unlawful detainment, the city of Grand Rapids, Michigan settled with his family a lawsuit for $190,000 without having to admit wrongdoing.

Can we please just disband the ICEstapo? We survived fine without them for decades.

He had a passport, on him.

The settlement is bullshit. It should have been seven figures, minimum, and I'm leaning towards 8. With an admission of wrongdoing, and a summary dismissal of the officers in question, with whatever official black marks could be applied to their records for their actions in this.

Penalties need to make the payee hurt, not just ameliorate the harm of the victim. Otherwise, they're not going to effect change; they're just a price that the organization might have to pay, and will continue to pay, while continuing to do what created the situation.

[Bodakane]

Left off the "lied about raising money for veterans charity"

I did forget that one. Thank you.

[Xyonai]

Left off the "lied about raising money for veterans charity"

And the ever classic 'Asked for donations on Veterans day, right after he had to pay a $2m fine for defrauding said veterans charity'.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Yeah lets disband organization that fights human trafficking, pedophiles and other criminals because few of them made mistake

That isn't what ICE does, more specifically that isn't what that section of the DHS does. The ERO(Enforcement and Removal Operations) segment of ICE is the shitty one that regularly does shit like this. Their behavior is so bad that the HSI(Homeland Security Investigations) asked to be split off from ICE because the poor reputation the agency gained due to the ERO officers.
washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/seeking-split-from-ice-agents-say-trumps-immigration-crackdown-hurts-investigations-morale/2018/06/28/7bb6995e-7ada-11e8-8df3-007495a78738_story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tion-crackdown
(And this is the text of just the letter from HSI agents, if you're not interested in the articles)
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...FILE-3286.html

The HSI segment of ICE is the important one that handles human trafficking, counter-terrorism, and various other serious crimes. The ERO segment is the one that pulls shit that gets national headlines for being grossly incompetent and racist.

HSI doesn't want anything to do with ERO, they don't want named as being part of the same agency because the reputation the ERO has given to ICE is so bad that it interferes with HSI investigations. Disbanding ICE would allow the DHS to reorganize the agencies to keep the ERO officers from being the bad apples that spoil the barrel that is all organizations currently under the umbrella of ICE.

[Masark]

Nearly 6000 gang members/terrorist removed in 2018

The autocomplete on your phone must not be working correctly. That sentence should say "ICE committed approximately 6000 counts of perjury in 2018".

A measly 190k?

That's the amount from the City for the actions of their police. I presume the case against ICE is still in progress.

This is why smart cities are sanctuary cities. It helps prevent this kind of thing from happening and also keeps the city from getting their asses reamed for being an accessory to it.

[Easo]

So many failings stuffed into single case.
This is why I dislike settlements which seem so ever popular in America. No one admits fault, but instead uses your tax money to pay for everything, from power trips to racism. Is it really that good to waste the taxpayer money? Strange status quo to be had...
P.S.
And lol at the union defending the police captain about his measly 20 hours of docked pay. You cant call yourself union, but then again, America does things differently.

[ipaq]

QFT since 99% of the crimes by illegals immigrants trace their entry back, by legal means i may add, using international airport hubs like NYC or Chicago.

Can you substantiate this claim with any empirical data?

I would imagine ICE has very little impact on the grand total of any of those crimes you listed being solved. All of what you mentioned is FBI jurisdiction, ICE technically isn't even a law enforcement agency last I understood?

[SirBeef]

QFT since 99% of the crimes by illegals immigrants trace their entry back, by legal means i may add, using international airport hubs like NYC or Chicago.

Don't forget that the northern border and seaports don't have dirty brown Mexicans living next to them. Seriously, how could any attorney suing Trumps administration over any of this not bring up the fact that most of the terrorists that come n come in through Canada and the coasts? Not a thing is being done because the GoP are racist fuckbags and so are their supporters. They don't want brown people coming here and certainly do not want brown people voting here. They only think brown they want to vote is all the land where no one lives in rural America.

[Cizr]

That isn't what ICE does, more specifically that isn't what that section of the DHS does. The ERO(Enforcement and Removal Operations) segment of ICE is the shitty one that regularly does shit like this. Their behavior is so bad that the HSI(Homeland Security Investigations) asked to be split off from ICE because the poor reputation the agency gained due to the ERO officers.
washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/seeking-split-from-ice-agents-say-trumps-immigration-crackdown-hurts-investigations-morale/2018/06/28/7bb6995e-7ada-11e8-8df3-007495a78738_story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tion-crackdown
(And this is the text of just the letter from HSI agents, if you're not interested in the articles)
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...FILE-3286.html

The HSI segment of ICE is the important one that handles human trafficking, counter-terrorism, and various other serious crimes. The ERO segment is the one that pulls shit that gets national headlines for being grossly incompetent and racist.

HSI doesn't want anything to do with ERO, they don't want named as being part of the same agency because the reputation the ERO has given to ICE is so bad that it interferes with HSI investigations. Disbanding ICE would allow the DHS to reorganize the agencies to keep the ERO officers from being the bad apples that spoil the barrel that is all organizations currently under the umbrella of ICE.

19 agents out of over 20 000 feel this way. Amazing.

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The autocomplete on your phone must not be working correctly. That sentence should say "ICE committed approximately 6000 counts of perjury in 2018".



That's the amount from the City for the actions of their police. I presume the case against ICE is still in progress.

This is why smart cities are sanctuary cities. It helps prevent this kind of thing from happening and also keeps the city from getting their asses reamed for being an accessory to it.

Your link talks about 1 case. What about other 5999 cases?

[Poopymonster]

*laughs*

Nah...They'd jump all over that and use it as a reason to claim ICE needs vastly more funding.

Hey, it costs alot of money and manpower to run those abusement parks.

[Kallisto]

Nothing is probably going to happen on this front until they attempt to deport a Republican politician with a Hispanic last name.

Maybe there's one who was born in Canada who has a father born in Cuba that could be shown the door?

[TEHPALLYTANK]

19 agents out of over 20 000 feel this way. Amazing.

20,000 employees =/= 20,000 senior agents. You're also combining the numbers of ERO employees and HSI employees with that number, in addition to including staff who aren't agents. Got any more gross misrepresentations of facts you'd like me to call you out on?

[Ghostpanther]

I think illegally holding a US citizen against their will is a little bit more then a screw up. We are clearly in an oopsy-daisy territory.

It happens a lot. Not just from ICE. You think a suspected criminal is not held against his will when the police arrest one? If the police arrest someone who is not guilty, then they are eventually released and if held too long, the city can be held liable. We do not disband the police department because they screw up at times.

[Bodakane]

It happens a lot. Not just from ICE. You think a suspected criminal is not held against his will when the police arrest one? If the police arrest someone who is not guilty, then they are eventually released and if held too long, the city can be held liable. We do not disband the police department because they screw up at times.

He wasn't suspected of anything as having passport is proof positive he isn't breaking any laws ICE covers.

[draynay]

It happens a lot. Not just from ICE. You think a suspected criminal is not held against his will when the police arrest one? If the police arrest someone who is not guilty, then they are eventually released and if held too long, the city can be held liable. We do not disband the police department because they screw up at times.

Do the police routinely hold suspects for three days after finding evidence that exonerates them?

I know Trump still thinks the Central Park Five are guilty even after the real rapist confessed, but that isn't the accepted procedure for our law enforcement.

[Cizr]

20,000 employees =/= 20,000 senior agents. You're also combining the numbers of ERO employees and HSI employees with that number, in addition to including staff who aren't agents. Got any more gross misrepresentations of facts you'd like me to call you out on?

ok so 19 out of how many and why do you feel like such a small number is important ?

[TEHPALLYTANK]

ok so 19 out of how many and why do you feel like such a small number is important ?

Because they were all SACs at the time of signing that letter.

If you don't know what SACs are, here is a little blurb about the position taken directly from https://www.ice.gov/hsi

"HSI is comprised of more than 10,000 employees, which includes more than 7,000 special agents who are assigned to 30 Special Agent in Charge (SAC) offices in major cities, over 182 other field offices throughout the United States, and 69 overseas locations and 8 Department of Defense Liaisons in 51 countries."


19 out of 30 is a pretty significant figure.

[Pipebomb]

I was wondering why they didn't sue for more.

In November last year, the city's authorities arrested him after he allegedly set a small fire at a hospital, pulled a fire alarm and ended up on the hospital's helipad, according to the ACLU.

Ramos-Gomez had "claimed in verbal statements to be a foreign national illegally present in the US," ICE said in a statement released through the sheriff's office. "Based on his statements, ICE lodged a detainer with local authorities."

Ramos-Gomez was eventually released after three days in ICE custody.

I assume they took the $190,000 because it would be hard to prove 100% wrongdoing?