Lady Liadrin should be portrayed as the most powerful paladin

[Justpassing]

Turalyon is a 1000 year old Light-infused Human who spent a millennium fighting the Burning Legion.

Liadrin is super cool but come on rofl.

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As shown where? Because this never happens in the game. He didn't lose any power when she died. His immortality hasn't even seemingly been lost, despite Xe'ra being the one who gave it to him.

He lost the "glimmer" in his eyes - and by those days everyone speculated that he lost some / all of his holy mojo.

[Timewalker]

Turalyon: Am I a joke to you?

[Yoshingo]

He lost the "glimmer" in his eyes - and by those days everyone speculated that he lost some / all of his holy mojo.

Actually the glimmer came back when she was resurrected and promptly immediately left again when she died 2 minutes later.

Also can you point to any specific line of dialogue or moment in combat or, well, anything that says he lost power. Because he's in BfA acting exactly the same in combat lol.

[Justpassing]

Actually the glimmer came back when she was resurrected and promptly immediately left again when she died 2 minutes later.

Also can you point to any specific line of dialogue or moment in combat or, well, anything that says he lost power. Because he's in BfA acting exactly the same in combat lol.

Well they didn't really iterate on the glimmer thing so I don't think it was a big issue myself.

[Imperium Romanum]

Liadrin is at best struggling to be on par with Maxwell Tyrosus and Grayson Shadowbreaker. She just happens to be the only viable Horde Paladin choice, which is why she gets so much spotlight.

Turalyon is currently on a league of his own and the last of the original Silver Hand Paladins alive. Both on spotlight and in terms of logic, he is the epitomy of a Paladin's true power.

I would rather see development on based Soulare of Andorhal and Maximilian of Northshire, before seeing another Quel/Sin dorei female gaining unnecessary spotlight.

[Ielenia]

Not Uther, not Turalyon either. The game is objectively better when she’s leading storylines and is in the forefront.

And her “darkness cannot abide within the Light!” catchphrase is great too. Who else thinks Liadrin should be more represented in Shadowlands?

She's a woman who is not shy at all about openly and blatantly lying to others to serve her needs. That is not a behavior worthy of being a paladin. For context, I'm talking about the nightborne recruitment scenario in which Lady Liadrin lies to Thalyssra about the blood elves' role and the night elves' role in fighting the Legion.

That said, what in blazes in your eyes makes her worthy of being "the most powerful paladin"? Turalyon is Lightforged, which I believe would increase his power as a paladin, for one, and I don't think we've seen any sort of feat from Lady Liadrin to even rank her as a "powerful paladin", much less "THE most powerful paladin".

[Maljinwo]

I'd rather have no paladins for a while

[Ielenia]

I thought storytelling was about showing, not telling. I guess I was wrong.

In that case, what does Liadrin has to "show" that would rank her as "the most powerful paladin"?

[Justpassing]

In that case, what does Liadrin has to "show" that would rank her as "the most powerful paladin"?

Man I don't have time to photoshop a closeup of her boobs so just use your imagination - and you get the idea what.

[Grand Phoenix]

Liadrin is at best struggling to be on par with Maxwell Tyrosus and Grayson Shadowbreaker. She just happens to be the only viable Horde Paladin choice, which is why she gets so much spotlight.

Turalyon is currently on a league of his own and the last of the original Silver Hand Paladins alive. Both on spotlight and in terms of logic, he is the epitomy of a Paladin's true power.

I would rather see development on based Soulare of Andorhal and Maximilian of Northshire, before seeing another Quel/Sin dorei female gaining unnecessary spotlight.

I agree with your first two statements. Other than Aponi Brightmane (a tauren Sunwalker, but she's just there to contribute to the class hall in Legion so she may as well be another foot soldier for all that matters), I can't think of anyone else among the Horde's paladins that is as notable as Liadrin. Also, while we don't know the true extent of his power scale, Turalyon is Lightforged, immortal, and has the martial capacity, knowledge, and fortitude to solidify himself as the strongest living paladin so far (having fought the Legion for 1,000 years Twisting Nether time). If I had to pit them together in a fight to see who'd win, I'd place Turalyon as the victor.

(Probably a more interesting match-up would be Turalyon vs Uther, but Uther was never lightforged and is noted for being the most devout of the Light's followers so I'd still say Turalyon would win in his most current form.)

Your third statement, however, I must disagree on. Maximillian of Northshire and Soulare of Andorhal are both parodies and shouldn't be taken seriously (then again, Keeshan is a Rambo expy and was put to use in the Alliance War Campaign in a serious context in BfA, so I have no room to criticize that). As you've mentioned, I'd want to see not only Tyrosus and Grayson Shadowbreaker get some love but other, non-human paladins as well. The Horde at least have the Blood Knights and Sunwalkers (and maybe Calia-style undead, if those can be replicated and join the Horde for some reason) to fall back on if the devs want to flesh out.

You can say the draenei got their spotlight in WoD with their exarchs and anchorites and vindicators), but other than that the other Alliance races really don't stand out - the lightforged draenei may be more militant but besides that there's very little deviation from non-lightforged draenei; dwarves are just there as part of the Silver Hand AFAIK (but I can see the DID being more vicious); gnomes don't strike me as paladin types (despite being priests); and the other races are more adherent to either technology, the Void, or nature-based magic. However, if the devs want to pursue it, the only three races I can think of that would have room for development would be the Kul Tirans (we see some of them taking up the Light during BfA incursions), night elves (Elune), and the worgen (doubtful, as they're rooted in druidism but they can expand). Since Shadowlands is going to explore the themes of Death, maybe we can see how the other cosmic forces play into it (Light can raise people into undeath, same as Fel e.g. see Mannoroth).

(Also: what do you mean, another Quel/Sin'dorei female gaining unnecessary spotlight? Other than Liadrin only Alleria's had that focus so far, and the Light-Void conflict is going to have to be addressed eventually. If any race needs to take a step out of the spotlight, it should be the Stormwind-Gilneas humans since they have the most prominence in the Alliance. The Alliance as a whole needs to be set up the way the post-Sylvanas Horde is being restructured right now.)

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She's a woman who is not shy at all about openly and blatantly lying to others to serve her needs. That is not a behavior worthy of being a paladin. For context, I'm talking about the nightborne recruitment scenario in which Lady Liadrin lies to Thalyssra about the blood elves' role and the night elves' role in fighting the Legion.

I’m sorry but everything she said was 100% true. The night elves the majority of the time did nothing but sleep and hide away, and yes blood/high elves were out fighting to save the world.

From the perspective of a blood elf it makes sense that she would say that, Night Elves have repeatedly proved themselves to be useless. Plus both of them were feeling annoyed over how haughty and hypocritical the nelves were acting towards them at the time.

[Dellis0991]

Not Uther, not Turalyon either. The game is objectively better when she’s leading storylines and is in the forefront.

And her “darkness cannot abide within the Light!” catchphrase is great too. Who else thinks Liadrin should be more represented in Shadowlands?

Sorry but Turalyon is, he been fighting big ass demons for a thousand years straight......

[Imperium Romanum]

I agree with your first two statements. Other than Aponi Brightmane (a tauren Sunwalker, but she's just there to contribute to the class hall in Legion so she may as well be another foot soldier for all that matters), I can't think of anyone else among the Horde's paladins that is as notable as Liadrin. Also, while we don't know the true extent of his power scale, Turalyon is Lightforged, immortal, and has the martial capacity, knowledge, and fortitude to solidify himself as the strongest living paladin so far (having fought the Legion for 1,000 years Twisting Nether time). If I had to pit them together in a fight to see who'd win, I'd place Turalyon as the victor.

(Probably a more interesting match-up would be Turalyon vs Uther, but Uther was never lightforged and is noted for being the most devout of the Light's followers so I'd still say Turalyon would win in his most current form.)

Your third statement, however, I must disagree on. Maximillian of Northshire and Soulare of Andorhal are both parodies and shouldn't be taken seriously (then again, Keeshan is a Rambo expy and was put to use in the Alliance War Campaign in a serious context in BfA, so I have no room to criticize that). As you've mentioned, I'd want to see not only Tyrosus and Grayson Shadowbreaker get some love but other, non-human paladins as well. The Horde at least have the Blood Knights and Sunwalkers (and maybe Calia-style undead, if those can be replicated and join the Horde for some reason) to fall back on if the devs want to flesh out.

You can say the draenei got their spotlight in WoD with their exarchs and anchorites and vindicators), but other than that the other Alliance races really don't stand out - the lightforged draenei may be more militant but besides that there's very little deviation from non-lightforged draenei; dwarves are just there as part of the Silver Hand AFAIK (but I can see the DID being more vicious); gnomes don't strike me as paladin types (despite being priests); and the other races are more adherent to either technology, the Void, or nature-based magic. However, if the devs want to pursue it, the only three races I can think of that would have room for development would be the Kul Tirans (we see some of them taking up the Light during BfA incursions), night elves (Elune), and the worgen (doubtful, as they're rooted in druidism but they can expand). Since Shadowlands is going to explore the themes of Death, maybe we can see how the other cosmic forces play into it (Light can raise people into undeath, same as Fel e.g. see Mannoroth).

(Also: what do you mean, another Quel/Sin'dorei female gaining unnecessary spotlight? Other than Liadrin only Alleria's had that focus so far, and the Light-Void conflict is going to have to be addressed eventually. If any race needs to take a step out of the spotlight, it should be the Stormwind-Gilneas humans since they have the most prominence in the Alliance. The Alliance as a whole needs to be set up the way the post-Sylvanas Horde is being restructured right now.)

The third statement wasn't exactly in the most serious of hearts, but given the way some parody characters have been developed in recent times, it wouldn't be farfetched. On a more serious note, people disregard that Grayson Shadowbreaker was the most senior Alliance Paladin, coming only second to the likes of Tirion Fordring. All that is before Legion hit, naturally, but I was happy that they gave him an alright role in Legion (being the Mission Specialist is okayish).

I am not expecting any racial development in the Shadowlands, as the afterlife does not really play a major effect on the Azeroth roots of the races. I do believe that it will carry out more development than it is currently promising, but the next expansion is what I would get my hopes up for on a major world revamp and race development. In the case of classes and respectively Paladins, it would be nice to get a good catch up with Uther's dwellings in that afterlife.

(The unnecessary spotlight referred to the former Horde Warchief by the way. If anything, she was more appraised for her elven past than her undeath present, hence why I mentioned Quel'dorei and Sin'dorei.)

[Azerate]

I don't really know who that is. I think I've seen the name in game, but other than that... no clue. Not sure why she should be better than those iconic characters

[Ielenia]

I’m sorry but everything she said was 100% true. The night elves the majority of the time did nothing but sleep and hide away, and yes blood/high elves were out fighting to save the world.

From the perspective of a blood elf it makes sense that she would say that, Night Elves have repeatedly proved themselves to be useless. Plus both of them were feeling annoyed over how haughty and hypocritical the nelves were acting towards them at the time.

You mean, when the blood elves just did... basically nothing, while the night elves fought tooth and nail against the Legion? In In both invasion attempts? And sacrificed their World Tree and their immortality to stop the Burning Legion from invading Azeroth in their second invasion? Or when the night elves fought at the forefront of the War of the Shifting Sands in which the night elves spearheaded along with the dragons?

Please remind me: what were the blood elves doing during all that?

[Juther]

This guy is the hero the Light deserve

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You mean, when the blood elves just did... basically nothing, while the night elves fought tooth and nail against the Legion? In In both invasion attempts? And sacrificed their World Tree and their immortality to stop the Burning Legion from invading Azeroth in their second invasion? Or when the night elves fought at the forefront of the War of the Shifting Sands in which the night elves spearheaded along with the dragons?

Please remind me: what were the blood elves doing during all that?

Yes, the night elves fought in the war of the shifting sands. What did they do for the rest of the thousands of years? Sacrificing their immortality just happened recently. Night Elf society has actually regressed, they went from living in cities to living in trees. I believe that’s what Liadrin’s referring to, it doesn’t make her a liar or anything.

[Ielenia]

Yes, the night elves fought in the war of the shifting sands. What did they do for the rest of the thousands of years? Sacrificing their immortality just happened recently. Night Elf society has actually regressed, they went from living in cities to living in trees.

I'll repeat my question: "please remind me, what were the blood elves doing during all that?"

I believe that’s what Liadrin’s referring to, it doesn’t make her a liar or anything.

Yes, she is lying, because the blood elves did jack shit against the Legion. They never fought in any big wars. At best, they fought against the invading orcs only after the orcs decided to poke them. Until then, they were basically happy to let the world burn around them.

[Black Goat]

Not Uther, not Turalyon either. The game is objectively better when she’s leading storylines and is in the forefront.

And her “darkness cannot abide within the Light!” catchphrase is great too. Who else thinks Liadrin should be more represented in Shadowlands?

^^ Said no one ever.

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I'll repeat my question: "please remind me, what were the blood elves doing during all that?"


Yes, she is lying, because the blood elves did jack shit against the Legion. They never fought in any big wars. At best, they fought against the invading orcs only after the orcs decided to poke them. Until then, they were basically happy to let the world burn around them.

Blood Elves were studying the Arcane and building the civilization, that they had to build from scratch after they were ousted.